Maybe you should talk to Albert sometime.
Ironically though, he hinted "something" here in Gaf as well regarding this.
Hence the concern that they are doing this out of desperation in order to try to be more competitive with Sony. Which is good in and of itself, however it would be bad if they are knowing pushing the console beyond its safe thermal limits and compromising the longevity of the box purely for a measly extra 53MHz.
Of course they're the only ones that will be aware of the console's thermal profile. So I imagine they would have done tests on final or near-to-final silicon and together with the humongous box design, they've decided its still operating within the safe thermal envelope.
It does make me wonder though, whether Sony might start looking into an upclock after this news? I'm sure they've looked at it already. On one side they have a simpler and likely smaller APU design, and so should produce less heat. On the other they don't have the might huge box, but then their are however way more adept at designing cooling solutions for consoles (see PS3 fan/heat sink assembly). Will be interesting to see if they respond to this.
We've known their clock speed since forever yo.
Dem facts.Fun fact: That 53 MHz increase in terms of computational power is greater than Xbox, PS2, GameCube, Dreamcast and Wii computational power combined
Yes.
Dedicated servers
Skype
Snap Multi-tasking
Kinect (Voice/motion controls)
Smart Match
HDMI Pass-Thru
TV Guide
Dynamic achievements
SmartGlass
Windows Apps
Not to mention all the exclusive apps and content from providers like the NFL.
And charging to play online. When it rains it really pours for sony.
ESRAM clock was connected to GPU clock last I heard so it would matter if one was increased.Not necessarily. The way I understood it, the culprit for the yield issues was the ESRAM. It might be that whatever didn't succumb to defects had enough headroom left for a slight GPU upclock.
'Course, that all depends on how much you buy into the yield issues rumor, just saying that this news doesn't disprove that rumor in its wake.
Like I said. An employees personal comments on GAF are just that, personal opinions and comments.
Maybe i'm LTTP but i was listening to the podcast and had no idea that you were gonna be able to skype call from X1 to PC and vice versa. Thats pretty cool as I thought it was just going to be limited to Xboxes only.
I don't need to reassure myself of anything, I'm stating the facts clear so that things aren't misinterpreted by people (like you).
This is not an upgrade.
Microsoft says a whole lot of shit; fact is, they never announced their clock speed publicly, this is the first time. It's like saying "Hey, we had a GPU, at 0MHZ and we made it 800!".
Wow, MS bumping specs while Sony takes RAM away from games. It's time to rethink who has the momentum going into next-gen.
Like I said. An employees personal comments on GAF are just that, personal opinions and comments.
Like I said. An employees personal comments on GAF are just that, personal opinions and comments.
Microsoft says a whole lot of shit; fact is, they never announced their clock speed publicly, this is the first time. It's like saying "Hey, we had a GPU, at 0MHZ and we made it 800!".
Chance they can hit the PS4 GPU level?
ESRAM clock was connected to GPU clock last I heard so it would matter if one was increased.
they haven't actually changed any chips, and upgraded 53mhz right? Is this possible because of just better optimization/customization?
Chance they can hit the PS4 GPU level?
The RROD was an anomaly. Why do people keep bringing it up as if MS has a history of building faulty hardware. The original Xbox and subsequent Xbox 360 revisions had normal failure rates and other non-Xbox MS hardware is reliable and high quality.I am not an MS hater, but RROD anyone.
They must have knew it, there where even some roumers or documents that they did know about the overheating.
Perhaps something like...No doubt DF will spawn an article out of this, promoting it religiously whilst crapping on the PS4.
For those wondering what difference this will make. Overclock your PC graphics card by the same amount. You might get a 1 or 2 fps increase
Yes.
Dedicated servers
Skype
Snap Multi-tasking
Kinect (Voice/motion controls)
Smart Match
HDMI Pass-Thru
TV Guide
Dynamic achievements
SmartGlass
Windows Apps
Not to mention all the exclusive apps and content from providers like the NFL.
Considering the enormous size of their box in comparison to the hardware contained within, as well as taking into account the external power brick, it shows how late their hardware decisions/engineering were in building the machine. The thermal envelope would have directly affected the size of the machine, they were very conservative with the box size because their numbers weren't all that perfect.
This person is serious, I think. :\
Whereas this one is trolling?
I want 600% increase
I demand SLI-Titan performance or no buy.I want 600% increase
details from the podcast:
http://majornelson.com/cast/2013/08/02/mnr-486-marc-whitten-updates-us-on-the-progress-of-xbox-one/
- They start using the Xbox One at home
- Indie stuff getting detailed on GamesCom
- Marc Whitten was key to bring Minecraft to Xbox
- Developers have final devkits
- New graphics driver
- With this driver devs can write to the metal (23:23)
- Upclock of 53MHZ (23:55)
- It's an example where they get close to the final performance envelope
more to come
PS4 GPU @ 800MHz
1.84 TFLOPS
57,600 MTex/s
25,600 MPix/s
176GB/s
Xbox One GPU @ 853MHz
1.31 TFLOPS
40,944 MTex/s
13,648 MPix/s
68GB/s + eSRAM
Those goal posts.
Perhaps something like...
"This increase in clockspeed is a significant improvement, closing a lot of ground in the very minor difference in performance between the two systems."
This post is particularly hilarious given the author.
Dedicated servers, didn't Sony also say they're doing that?
Skype, really, a feature? It's an app. Even a Vita has Skype.
Snap multitasking only works with certain apps, doesn't even work with games.
Not everyone views the Kinect as a positive but sure.
Smart Match seems to be cool but they've playing it up a lot, I don't see why it's that big a deal.
HDMI pass-through to me seems like an extravagant and needless feature. I need to see more to believe it.
TV Guide, really? Sure, for some people.
I don't see why more achievements is a good thing. And Steam Cards is a better version of achievements.
Smartglass, every next gen console has some feature similar to this.
Windows apps, sure, about 5 people will use them.
Overall it's (mostly) a bunch of bloated features that no one asked for, except maybe smart match. That's the problem with the Xbone.
Yup same here. There is way too much negativity in this thread considering it's all good news.Regardless of the sick awesome console warz waging in this thread, this is good news I guess. I'll take whatever MS can give to raise the bottom line, even if it's tiny.
Back compat with OG Xbox confirmed!Fun fact: That 53 MHz increase in terms of computational power is greater than Xbox, PS2, GameCube, Dreamcast and Wii computational power combined
I want the bottom line as high as possible, to the benefit of my PC games. That's my vested interest in the power of the Xbone.The rumor for the last week or so was 200mhz. Bummer that it's only 50. :/
The more powerful the xbox one is the better for everyone multiplats will be.
Dedicated servers, didn't Sony also say they're doing that?