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Kingdom Hearts Community Thread: Now everybody can be a Keyblade Wielder!
- Thread starter Blood Diamonds
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Meccanical
Member
Hmm...I'm not sure about vanilla KH2 being better than BBS.
Then again I can say I like the flow of combat better in KH2, but the customization in BBS is substantial.
Same as mine, too. Well I'm not sure about BBS' place just yet cause after the initial hour of gameplay a while back, I kind of forgot all about it and haven't continued.
Byronic Hero
Member
The funny thing is, I played DDD on Proud, maybe the enemies/bosses would have put a stop to my flowmotion usage on Critical, but they couldn't handle it on Proud xD
RPGCrazied
Member
Can't wait for ReMix. So close to finally playing the Final Mix versions! I will try my hardest to platinum this game, but I hate speed type trophies very much. Do you get a platinum for watching the days cutscenes? 
Do you think this will have an outer box, like Tales of Xillia? Or will the artbook be built into the case? I think they are doing that with Final Fantasy X|X-2 HD.
Do you think this will have an outer box, like Tales of Xillia? Or will the artbook be built into the case? I think they are doing that with Final Fantasy X|X-2 HD.Napalm_Frank
Member
Do you get a platinum for watching the days cutscenes?
No.
Tho maybe you should :lol
RPGCrazied
Member
Yeah, I read its like 3 hours long. Are they split into chapters, or is it one long ass movie?
Napalm_Frank
Member
Chapters from what I understand.
Seven Force
Banned
If you don't feel like watching the cutscenes, you can use the skip scene function, and you'll still get the trophies.
Napalm_Frank
Member
And with the new Vita update you can even block other people from seeing them and spare you the shame!
Wait... they turned Days into only cutscenes, give you trophies for watching them, and you can still skip it and get the trophies, anyway? Days sure isn't getting the deluxe treatment for the HD ReMix.
Ah well, to me the real star of the show is Kingdom Hearts Final Mix in 60Hz. Full speed Kingdom Hearts and it's even Final Mix. Re:CoM is nice, too, since that was never released here.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Days is at the bottom smh
Blood Diamonds
Banned
^You did the right thing Napalm
Napalm_Frank
Member
Never played it and I refuse to play any 3D DS games unless there is extremely good reason to.
Anyway it would probably go as the last one even if it has better gameplay than Days since they didn't even try to make up a relevant game unlike Days (kinda, sorta). I could give it some slack if CoM didn't exist.
I thought the level design was too atrocious for the combat improvements to matter.
It was all variety over polish. It had all of these interesting ideas that could have been fun if they had actually spent more time making sure the ideas they put into play actually worked well. The precision platforming and dungeon crawling segments in particular stuck out as the worst parts. As you mentioned, no DS game (The Super Mario 64 remake notwithstanding) got 3D platforming right. Days wasn't any better than coded in terms of overall control but Days also didn't demand you to jump across a dozen meter-wide blocks and force you to start over if you failed, or stuck you in large dungeons with almost no distinguishing features from one area to the next.
The lack of a substantive story just made everything worse since you slogged through 8-17 hours for what could be summarized in a paragraph with no outstanding details missing.
I may utterly despise this game with a burning passion so take what I say with a bucket of salt.
SimpleGamer
Member
I agree.
badcrumble
Member
I'd say CoM has more tedious gameplay in the sense of the mapping out of each floor and the complexity of the combat, but its boss battles are much better than the Days boss battles. Neither of them is particularly fun to play, though (except, I guess, for overpowered final-deck Riku, maybe).
Chain of Memories is weird in that it's likely the best-written game in the series but it's not particularly *fun.* It's really the only game that succeeded in making Organization XIII actually seem complex instead of just a bunch of mooks working for Xemnas.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Where is my GC trailer? I'm not gonna buy the game if it isn't even worth decent marketing SE.
So there is news that Utada's mom past away
Best written probably because the storyline is so simply and begins half way into the game. True.
Best written probably because the storyline is so simply and begins half way into the game. True.
badcrumble
Member
It's straightforwardish, but the convolution is actually about a bunch of actually mysterious people, each of whom has their own goals and motives, manipulating each other, Sora, Riku, Namine, and the Riku Replica to achieve their goals. It's actually a pretty damn decent political-intrigue story, which is what made it such a bummer when the Organization members who made it to KH2 turned out to mostly be pretty boring (with the *eventual* exception, thanks to KH2FM, of Xigbar and Saix).
Demyx, Luxord, and Xaldin are absolutely less interesting than *any* of the Organization characters in Chain of Memories, though. At least Xaldin's fun to fight, but the others can't even claim that much.
MrSaturn99
Member
Augh, I know! I was so looking forward to seeing what the KH2 Org members would bring to the table and, excluding Xemnas and Saix, they really weren't relevant at all.
I thought COM's card system was pretty fun as well. Probably still has my favorite story of the series as well (the difference of quality between its take on the Disney worlds and the original's is freaking night and day).
It still kills me that they haven't used or developed Luxord at all since his introduction. My primary sticking point with Days was that they skimped over the chance to develop any of the ancillary KH2 members to a satisfying degree. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if him or Demyx never showed up again.
badcrumble
Member
Eh, I dunno. I think we'll very likely see all of the non-Nobody versions of every member of the Organization in the end.
I also think we'll eventually get Lea wearing something other than the black raincoat.
RPGCrazied
Member
Does the ReMix HD have remixed musics? Any samples anywhere? I just heard a sample from Final Fantasy X|X-2 HD that was remixed and was blown away. Seems either you love it or hate it from people. I loved it.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Final Mix HD has all tracks remixed or rather orchestrated (exept the ones that were originally orchestrated). Re:CoM has the final boss theme remastered and Days uses the OST release remastered tracks (obviously they couldn't use the original DS tracks). Most of them I have linked in this post
Oh man. I have to agree with this, which pains me since I rarely ever see KH2 in a negative light. The organization members, with the exception of maybe Demyx and Saix were such bland additions to the series in KH2.
Seven Force
Banned
Org. XIII are great in CoM because they're actual characters. In KHII, they're merely boss fights.
Napalm_Frank
Member
I still find it hilarious that in my opinion Xemnas is one of the blandest Org members in KH2 even when he has like the most screentime. And they tried to build him up to be a terrifying guy with very little patience in CoM. Xemnas never came off as the guy who would have Vexens head for little misteps with his replica stuff. Why would Vexen be terrified of this guy when there are totally useless members like Demyx with them?
Man you guys reminded me how many original characters CoM introduced that were actually interesting. Namine, DiZ, Vexen, Axel (CoM Axel is the best Axel btw!) Larxene... That game is awesome by KH ''spinoff'' standards I tell ya. I don't think they knew exactly where they were going with Axel when CoM was being made. I know that his ''arc'' with Roxas probably was totally in place but he is just a much more ruthless and cocky character in CoM than in any other game. I didn't really buy his sudden change in KH2 even when the situation he is in is different.
I guess there is still one missing piece of the puzzle with him tho, whatever his and Saix plans were.
Man you guys reminded me how many original characters CoM introduced that were actually interesting. Namine, DiZ, Vexen, Axel (CoM Axel is the best Axel btw!) Larxene... That game is awesome by KH ''spinoff'' standards I tell ya. I don't think they knew exactly where they were going with Axel when CoM was being made. I know that his ''arc'' with Roxas probably was totally in place but he is just a much more ruthless and cocky character in CoM than in any other game. I didn't really buy his sudden change in KH2 even when the situation he is in is different.
I guess there is still one missing piece of the puzzle with him tho, whatever his and Saix plans were.
MrSaturn99
Member
Oh wow, they're redoing the songs from FFX too? Let's have a looksie.
*checks out the battle theme*
...eek. Now I'm more scared than ever for the KH remaster.
Ugh, tell me about it! I'm still a little salty over what they did to Axel. His COM appearance come across as a completely different character.
It's music cover time!
I've got a great cover to share today, this one is by Tetrimino, a quartet playing Simple and Clean!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BhF00btCzA
I've got a great cover to share today, this one is by Tetrimino, a quartet playing Simple and Clean!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BhF00btCzA
badcrumble
Member
Yeah, pretty much this. It's a bummer; I was hoping the rest of the Organization would be just as complicated as the ones in Chain of Memories, and they're really not.
Hopefully whatever Lea/Isa plan got them originally involved in the Organization will end up paying dividends in KH3 as far as the second Organization is concerned (last-minute face turn from Saix/Isa would be excellent).
This is practically a given. Isa will be the Gin of the Kingdom Hearts series. Hell, everything having to do with the Organization since they were introduced reads like something straight out of Bleach.
badcrumble
Member
Is "Gin" a reference to some anime/manga or something? I don't really speak fluent otaku.
Gin is a Bleach character. (Bleach is a shounen manga/anime.) Basically the usual right-hand-man of main villain who (spoilers I guess)
tries to betray their master.
badcrumble
Member
Gotcha. That was more or less my impression from context clues but it's good to have it verified.
I just find it kind of odd that in DDD it's Saix and Xigbar who are new members of the Organization instead of Isa and Braig. What's up with that? Can we assume that Isa and Braig are also on the council (just like there are multiple different instances from different parts/times in Xehanort's life)?
Napalm_Frank
Member
Look at it this way: if Isa and Braig ain't included it gets REALLY hard to try and fill the members if they are characters that have appeared before.
badcrumble
Member
Yeah, I seem to recall this turning out to be the case in previous lists.
1. Master Xehanort
2. Young Xehanort
3. Terranort/Apprentice Xehanort
4. Ansem SoD
5. Xemnas
6. Saix
7. Xigbar
8. (probably Vanitas)
That leaves an additional five slots. Having two of those remaining five populated by Isa and Braig means the remaining three could reasonably easily be filled in by assorted Organization members. We do know that Master Xehanort still needs to recruit a thirteenth member since he failed to get Sora.
The Xtortionist
Member
Can't wait to fight Ansem AGAIN in KH3.
Dance Inferno
Unconfirmed Member
So this game is coming out in a few weeks and I am excited. Never played a KH game but this HD remaster seems pretty legit and is at the right price point for me to jump in.
Question about pre-orders: If I pre-order the limited edition I get the artbook and a dynamic PS3 theme, correct? There are no in-game bonuses that are tied to pre-orders?
Question about pre-orders: If I pre-order the limited edition I get the artbook and a dynamic PS3 theme, correct? There are no in-game bonuses that are tied to pre-orders?
badcrumble
Member
Unironically agreed. Ansem with his Guardian is still probably the best/most fun final boss fight in the series, IMO. DDD's and KH2's final bosses are way too scripting-heavy (especially KH2's), and BBS's final bosses, while epic in terms of the story climax, can all kinda be spammed to death (yes, even Terra's final boss) - those feel like really great flashy duels but aren't actually that intricate in terms of gameplay.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Dance Inferno
Unconfirmed Member
Haha OK good to know. That would be pretty sneaky of them.
RPGCrazied
Member
Why couldn't the ReMix have a CE? Artbook is nice, but would have been awesome if it was bigger, came with an awesome figure, music cd. Man I'd be all over that.
Napalm_Frank
Member
They didn't do that for any of the main releases so it would be surprising to see them do it for this.
And honestly expect a new ''KH Complete'' OST with the remixed tracks from HD collections once 2.5 is out.
badcrumble
Member
A soundtrack CD would be great, but as an adult who gets laid, I don't want an action figure.
RPGCrazied
Member
Oh come on, thats a tad much. I'm an adult, and I happen to like figures. You can display them you know, its not like I take them into the bathtub and play with them.