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IGN: Sony has yet to show anything running on PS4, using PCs [actually Dev-kits]

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fastford58

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Vinsanity. said:
The more I read threads like this, the more I lean towards XB1 having better-designed hardware for next gen. Maybe not the bleeding-edge fastest, but the more well thought out design from top to bottom. What that means in the long run, who knows....may mean nothing.
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What the fuck. Is this real life?
 
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BRocknRolla

Member
Vinsanity. said:
The more I read threads like this, the more I lean towards XB1 having better-designed hardware for next gen. Maybe not the bleeding-edge fastest, but the more well thought out design from top to bottom. What that means in the long run, who knows....may mean nothing.
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What are you even talking about... I just don't... I mean you assume because a person is on Gaf they take the time to read and comprehend but... Whatever, buddy. Live in the world you want to live in.

Zefah said:
Fuckin' video games journalism, man. So little understanding of the actual topic they cover, yet no hesitation to throw out wildly inaccurate statements as something to be concerned about.
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Sure is frustrating. Especially for some place like IGN that has such a big reach to be spreading BS. Games press is in a real rough state right now.
 
MORTALIS

MORTALIS

Member
benny_a said:
Maybe you're confusing it for Shuhei Yoshida, boss of SCEWWS that said:
"We were there as a team. But the box, it’s just a box. When I finally saw it, it was near-final and I was amazed by the thinness and lightness of it. It looked already like the second generation of a console. I compared it to the second generation of the PS3. On PS4, first-gen is almost exactly the same dimensions. More than the aesthetics of it, the smallness of it. I am so psyched."
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This would immediately be labeled PR BS if Phil or Bill said it. I have no dog in the fight but reading these threads, that much is evident.
 
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Neuromancer

Member
Vinsanity. said:
The more I read threads like this, the more I lean towards XB1 having better-designed hardware for next gen. Maybe not the bleeding-edge fastest, but the more well thought out design from top to bottom. What that means in the long run, who knows....may mean nothing.
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I agree it's very concerning. If Sony had had the forethought to reach out to Scott Lowe, Executive Editor at IGN, earlier perhaps he could have nipped this whole mess in the bud. Clearly they're running off PCs because the tiny PS4 cases can't handle the heat. Frankly I'm not sure how Mark Cerny could have missed an important detail like that, probably he's too busy working on Knack. Too late now though it seems.
 
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beast786

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MORTALIS said:
This would immediately be labeled PR BS if Phil or Bill said it. I have no dog in the fight but reading these threads, that much is evident.
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ehh.. because if you compare the dimension. It is actually smaller than 2nd gen ps3. So he is factually correct.
 
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benny_a

extra source of jiggaflops
MORTALIS said:
This would immediately be labeled PR BS if Phil or Bill said it. I have no dog in the fight but reading these threads, that much is evident.
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But it is smaller than the OG PS3 and is only 61% of the size of the Xbox One.

Maybe you dislike the flowery words, but it certainly is no PR bullshit to state that you're already at a size where in the last generation you've had to wait until the first major revision to get there.
 
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lherre

Accurate
This is a real x360 devkit ... could you spot any difference with a retail unit? (well yeah one cable but it can be removed).

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This one is another devkit (yes, I put a blue dragon faceplate on it XD)

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Ms make the devkit exactly like a retail unit (except first alpha, beta, etc)

Sony make devkits without the final shape in mind, not every time has the same retail form factor (i only remember the last ps3 tool to be like a phat ps3 but they don't have the same functions than the big one), but test units are the same that retail units.
 
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BloodMoney

Banned
Neuromancer said:
I agree it's very concerning. If Sony had had the forethought to reach out to Scott Lowe, Executive Editor at IGN, earlier perhaps he could have nipped this whole mess in the bud. Clearly they're running off PCs because the tiny PS4 cases can't handle the heat. Frankly I'm not sure how Mark Cerny could have missed an important detail like that, probably he's too busy working on Knack. Too late now though it seems.
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Where is this source indicating heat (or size of the console) is an issue. Best i can tell, it's all speculation... My i7 Lenovo T430s is smaller than the PS4 and has no heat or noise issues.
 
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rawd

Member
Vinsanity. said:
The more I read threads like this, the more I lean towards XB1 having better-designed hardware for next gen. Maybe not the bleeding-edge fastest, but the more well thought out design from top to bottom. What that means in the long run, who knows....may mean nothing.
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Man U fan esplains 'lot
 
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Razgreez

Member
Verendus said:
If I can be serious for a brief moment, this kind of stuff is really embarrassing to see. It's a sad state of affairs when games 'journalists' don't understand anything. I mean, if this dude is an Executive Editor at IGN, I'm going to recruit some 18 year old to start a games website out of the corner of my office. I believe even a crackhead could do a better job. Heck, I could even make it work in a smart way.

I give him crack. He gives me articles.

I'll drop him off at Konami one day, tell him to go to do some 'games journalism' then he can catch the taxi, or a boat, or a plane, back and I can just upload his articles with grammar and spelling mistakes.

I could call him Crazy Crackhead on a Plane. But that's not right really, and it's copyright. Maybe just call him something else, like Dave. Or John. Bob could work.

If he gets all negotiator on me, I'll knock him out, sprinkle some crack on him, and call the Police before bailing to a different town. Rinse and repeat.
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My sides, they hurt
 
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shuri

Banned
I honestly can't believe that display lack of actual gamedev knowledge coming from a major site like IGN.

Wow, just WOW
 
MORTALIS

MORTALIS

Member
benny_a said:
But it is smaller than the OG PS3 and is only 61% of the size of the Xbox One.

Maybe you dislike the flowery words, but it certainly is no PR bullshit to state that you're already at a size where in the last generation you've had to wait until the first major revision to get there.
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That's fair.
 
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ymmv

Banned
BloodMoney said:
Where is this source indicating heat (or size of the console) is an issue. Best i can tell, it's all speculation... My i7 Lenovo T430s is smaller than the PS4 and has no heat or noise issues.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt

FUD has been around for a few decades. And it still works for MS:

Vinsanity. said:
The more I read threads like this, the more I lean towards XB1 having better-designed hardware for next gen. Maybe not the bleeding-edge fastest, but the more well thought out design from top to bottom. What that means in the long run, who knows....may mean nothing.
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Neuromancer

Member
BloodMoney said:
Where is this source indicating heat (or size of the console) is an issue. Best i can tell, it's all speculation... My i7 Lenovo T430s is smaller than the PS4 and has no heat or noise issues.
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Scott Lowes is the source. He's a video game journalist, I have no reason to not believe him.

Edit: Also Arthur Gies backed him up
 
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inherendo

Member
benny_a said:
But it is smaller than the OG PS3 and is only 61% of the size of the Xbox One.

Maybe you dislike the flowery words, but it certainly is no PR bullshit to state that you're already at a size where in the last generation you've had to wait until the first major revision to get there.
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Last gen chips were on larger processes. The silicon was much larger before the revision and die shrink. Next gen consoles will use smaller nodes than current gen originally started with. TDP from current gen might also be a lot higher than what GCN is even though there is a big increase in power. Not sure what the exact specs are.
 
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BRocknRolla

Member
awesomebro said:
Its actually a valid complaint... I haven't seen a PS4 running in real time
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Have we seen an Xbox One running in real time? Or just dev kits? See below. And is it actually a valid complaint? Or is this the way things have always been done at trade shows and during past launches?

lherre said:
This is a real x360 devkit ... could you spot any difference with a retail unit? (well yeah one cable but it can be removed).

P1000735.jpg


P1000737.jpg


This one is another devkit (yes, I put a blue dragon faceplate on it XD)

DSC02060.jpg




Ms make the devkit exactly like a retail unit (except first alpha, beta, etc)

Sony make devkits without the final shape in mind, not every time has the same retail form factor (i only remember the last ps3 tool to be like a phat ps3 but they don't have the same functions than the big one), but test units are the same that retail units.
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BloodMoney

Banned
Neuromancer said:
Scott Lowes is the source. He's a video game journalist, I have no reason to not believe him.

Edit: Also Arthur Gies backed him up
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Wait, this is a joke post though.. right?
Based off his twitter picture, I know for a FACT that Scott Lowes KNOWS diddly.
&
GAF has conditioned me to hate Gies... am i right, or am i right?
 
Chaplain

Chaplain

Member
Mobius1 said:
So you're saying every person at IGN happens to have the same bias? Or by 'IGN' did you just mean Scott Lowe?
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Do you believe a person can be 100% unbiased? I do not.

Mobius1 said:
Look, I'm not defending the guy, or IGN for that matter. The place has plenty of problems. But console fanboyism isn't one that I saw.
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I think this Scott's mistake could have been adverted had he done his research first, talking to some Sony developers, then report what he was told, followed by his own opinion. My assumptions is that once he had spoken to a developer some of the things that he assumed above the devkit being a pc would have been eliminated, and thus, this whole thread would probably be very different.
 
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benny_a

extra source of jiggaflops
inherendo said:
Last gen chips were on larger processes. The silicon was much larger before the revision and die shrink. Next gen consoles will use smaller nodes than current gen originally started with. TDP from current gen might also be a lot higher than what GCN is even though there is a big increase in power. Not sure what the exact specs are.
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You are completely right.

I'll post it again because I love this.
Here is the guy from the OP. IGN's Scott Lowe, getting this exact thing explained to him by Mark Cerny himself.
 
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NoirVisage

Banned
BloodMoney said:
Wait, this is a joke post though.. right?
Based off his twitter picture, I know for a FACT that Scott Lowes KNOWS diddly.
&
GAF has conditioned me to hate Gies... am i right, or am i right?
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No, your own common sense should have conditioned you to hate Gies.
When i saw his name, I new where this was going.
 
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patchday

Member
I'm with Megasoum's post in the OP. Maybe I would be concerned bout retail kits running out of memory. Not surprised this thread is crazy long though. The average person out there won't realize there's not very many differences between a debug & retail kit (beyond memory).

The only cause for concern would be the typical stuff. Like, how long will the the retail kits last once it hits our hands.
 
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BRocknRolla

Member
Joeki11a said:
Would it shock people if Ps4 looks different at Launch

Same design... bigger shell
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That would be very surprising. I'm not in industrial design, but I would imagine in most situations you engineer the hardware first with a general idea of what dimensions you'll have to work with and then build the pastic case in which the hardware will sit later.
 
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Joeki11a

Banned
Sony design is ahead, the ps4 looks like what a first Redesign phase wouls look, I imagine by 2020 they will have a super mini ps4.
 
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ramb0211

Banned
I'm definitely concerned about the heat and noise output of the PS4. We have solid news that the X1 is doing extremely well in those departments, but we haven't heard anything about how Sony's manufacturing process has been going or what their goals/expectations are for those attributes.

There's no evidence pointing one way or the other, but I find it odd that Microsoft is under so much scrutiny when the ps4's form factor is more concerning and MS has been more forthcoming on the subject.
 
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nizerifin

Banned
So, are we expecting our launch PS4s to simply not work, or what? I'm confused. I don't get the significance of Scott's tweets.
 
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awesomebro

Member
I'm not concerned about the integrity of the hardware. Its just surprising that we haven't seen an actually functioning retail build our form-factor this close to release.
 
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SwiftDeath

Member
ramb0211 said:
There's no evidence pointing one way or the other, but I find it odd that Microsoft is under so much scrutiny when the ps4's form factor is more concerning and MS has been more forthcoming on the subject.
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Because of RROD perhaps?

YLOD numbers were so so much less
 
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