The OS is comparable with the OS in a retail unit but with more options, etc. The behaviour must be the same.
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IGN: Sony has yet to show anything running on PS4, using PCs [actually Dev-kits]
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The OS is comparable with the OS in a retail unit but with more options, etc. The behaviour must be the same.
Or when the station was rebooted it looks like this, instead of the often quoted NFS: Rivals Windows 7 environment.
I'm not "mixing it up." Both were true, at the same time. Some titles were shown on the near-final hardware. Some were shown, mostly by third parties, on the PC versions of the games at simulated specs. These are standard practices. People objected to both, at the time. It was odd then, and its odd now.
Neuromancer
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Scott's got a point. How can Sony fit all those parts into that tiny case? =(
Dude , what are you talking about. I am not disagreeing with that at all. In fact I am using it as a proof. I think you are mistaken the point i was making.
My point was that the uproar at E3 was because they were using PC not Devkit on those particular games. Hence, people who were claiming typical Sony Gaf bias didn't realize that this was not PC put PS4 devkits, hence people expecting and not causing uproar.
I used Penello quote to show that Devkit looks like XB1 retail version hence those were not devkit in that PIC but PC
Not they didnt. And that is exactly the point over and over again people are making that point to you and others. The link for the thread was provided and again, shows that was not the case. The uproar was about using PC for those game not Devkit.
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And this is why Blow complain how XB1 demoed were not using devkit
mah, ban website. you can google blow comment
SenjutsuSage
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This ship has sailed, imo. I have a friend that was personally at Gamescom that tried a variety of games, and he literally could not see any evidence whatsoever that there was a stray cable of any kind going anywhere but into the Xbox One that he was looking at. The guy is no idiot. If there had been some funny business going on with where the signal was coming from, he would have spotted it, but according to him, he saw clear evidence of Xbox Ones running quite a few games personally. Which games those were, he wasn't specific on, but he made it sound like plenty of games present were indeed running on the Xbox One hardware.
lifa-cobex
Member
Too be fair, people are still pissed at MC policies.
When you come out the door at E3 guns blazing for DRM, what did you think people would act like. It was only the competition that made them reevaluate these policies.
The hate wont go away for a while yet chap.
People will defend Sony. Simply because they have been on the straight and narrow
Natureboy99
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Me:IGN has yet to show anything interesting or newsworthy
SenjutsuSage
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If true, then IGN is incompetent as shit, and should know better before saying things like this. Even if it's just a single game such as Knack, it already renders what this guy said false. So that video would be especially helpful to showcase this.
But yet Albert Penello used the phrase "near-final" as in not standard retail units.
I disagree, but by your reasoning, if we can find any games at the current shows representing the PS4 which were actually PCs with the spec'd detail settings, this would necessarily warrant the same reaction from the community. Worse even, since this is a much later point in time. My understanding is that we know several games are being shown in that form. I'm not saying that's somehow awful, you seem to be though. Like I've said over and over, this is a standard practice for some companies in pre-release presentation setups.
polyh3dron
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I love how one tweet says unequivocally "That's exactly what they are, actually" and then the next tweet kind of walks it back saying "Nope, Devkit PC" basically saying that the dev kit is just a pc.
The dev kit is not a fucking PC.
The dev kit is not a fucking PC.
because you cant tell the difference between XB1 devkit and reatil. Because they look almost exactly the same. That was the point benny was making.
I don't doubt your friend. I'm not suggesting, as for example EvB is w.r.t. PS4, that there is an empty Xbox One box and the cables are being just re-routed to a powerful PC below that is invisible from the player position.
My argument is that how do you know it's final retail hardware? As opposed to a devkit?
Being that, according to Albert Penello, they look the same and pictures we've got support that (there are allegedly variants that have an additional port at the back over the retail version).
In addition to that a post by Albert Penello after GC said that they've only used near-final hardware until now.
Then actually report, not just tweet some baseless "concern". You know, do some actual investigation, corroborate your facts, etc. and put together a complete analysis that tries to get input from all parties involved. Not antagonize and/or shame the affected parties or anyone else into doing your work for you.
maabus1999
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Only thing I found with a Google search was a 15 min Gamescom video here:
http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/08/21/15-minutes-of-knack-gameplay
Not sure if this helps or not.
SniperHunter
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DriveClub to features no cars on screen!
Neuromancer
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You're asking a lot here, pal.
They were using nVIDIA card man. Do you cant tell the difference. Blow especially tweeted how he was pissed about people worked hard and show cased using PS devkit. I clearly stated to you that show me where people complain about XB1 using devkit. If you cant then all you are doing is trolling me.
Just show me were these people complain about XB1 using devkit. Please.
SniperHunter
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TheLegendOfMart
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How do they fit quad core cpus, sli/crossfire gpus, hdds, etc.. in laptops which are half as thin as PS4.
Microsoft is targeting 100W TDP max with Xbox One, that's not a lot of heat compared to a regular desktop PC.
boredandlazy
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Magic.
LukasTaves
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Oh, then yeah, I completely misinterpreted you. Sorry XD
Kazuma Kiryu
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No wonder they're giving it away with ps+.
SniperHunter
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More like the infinite power of the cloud.
MAX PAYMENT
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Isn't his main concern that the devkits are considerably larger than the actual units?
I'd be concerned too if all the demo units were massive for a supposedly small console.
But I don't know if there's a size difference at all.
I'd be concerned too if all the demo units were massive for a supposedly small console.
But I don't know if there's a size difference at all.
There is quite a size difference between what we know based on the FCC filing and the PS4 as we know per spec-sheet.
I think the PS4 devkit is even *gasp* larger than the Xbox One.
SniperHunter
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so that was the plan all a long! Those sly bastards @ sony
What's the source on that?
MAX PAYMENT
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Then I think there some cause for concern if they're presenting games on a mini fridge for a console that is obviously taking pride in how small it is. Time will tell.
SenjutsuSage
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True, that he did, but whether the hardware inside are final or near final doesn't seem to be the issue at hand. The issue seems to be that a single PS4 game, if what that IGN employee says is true, has yet to be seen running on anything remotely resembling what the final, and rather small, PS4 retail design will actually look like.
Even if the Xbox Ones present and that are running games are dev kits based on near final hardware, they still apparently resemble final Xbox One retail casing, which seems to be what this IGN employee is saying. And if he's saying this, it must be a view that the rest of the IGN staff shares. Again, I don't think there's any funny business going on. I'm pretty sure that these were simply dev kits that had hardware matching what will be inside real PS4s, but I don't see what's wrong with reporting what they feel is the fact that they have still yet to see a physical PS4, or something resembling the retail casing, running a single game.
Probably not much of anything, but I see no fault in reporting a story like this, if it's indeed true, after both E3 and Gamescom.
Thanks. That seems kind of low.
That might give you reason to be concerned if you worked for Microsoft.
Or wanted to.
That might give you reason to be concerned if you worked for Microsoft.
Or wanted to.
Devkits are always bigger than retail.
Big thing is that most heat is proportional to power consumption and chip sizes. And PS4 uses about as much as PS3 slim.
I agree. If I was a tech editor for IGN and I was concerned about the thermal profile of the PS4 I would use my unique position and schedule an interview with Mark Cerny to ask about this.
Oh wait, he did that just 4 days ago and got an answer by Mark Cerny that explains it.
That's how the Industry works:
The PS4 Devkit used in studios isn't really that big, I don't know how big the devkits have been when shown off to the press etc but standard PS4:
This includes the PS4 Camera and probably a 5.25" BluRay drive.
RaceManIak
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This got lost in all the activity but more people need to read it to learn a bit how things actually work
just so that you know, test kits (not DevKits) are in the PS4 shell... and they've been in the office for a while
Welp there's that.
And I noticed SenjutsuSage showed up so that means it's time to bail.
The same way a laptop does. Sony is using a blower heatsink design. It's slim and noisy but works. Plus the case isn't that small. It may look slim and not that wide but its very deep.