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"Microsoft is evil, because their always on drm won't let people buy it in other countries!"
to "It's not fair that Microsoft is selling the xbox in countries where some features don't work!"
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Only 5 countries will have full Xbone voice commands at launch [Update in OP]
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Wait, now we've gone from
"Microsoft is evil, because their always on drm won't let people buy it in other countries!"
to "It's not fair that Microsoft is selling the xbox in countries where some features don't work!"
Is that you Scott Lowe?
BRocknRolla
Member
Is this sarcasm? Mindlessly repeating something you heard without looking into it? Or just spreading FUD for the hell of it?
NoirVisage
Banned
Oh wow, you were serious?
that's kinda sad actually.
no, not f*** you, I pity you. Your concerns are made of tin.
tfur
Member
32 > 13
Thank you, gracious.
Seriously though, don't you find it even a little bit skeptical that they've been only using dev-kits up until now and it's only a couple of months away from being released? I'm still getting it day one, but I'm just worried is all.
wow - we're through the looking glass here people...
Chobel
Member
They're using dev-kit because retail version don't run unfinished games, when I say unfinished games I mean games that are not gold, and in this case all games shown in Gamescom.
About your concern about the small size and heating, you can watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsl6zmPMje4&t=6m45s where Mark Cerny explain why the small size won't be a problem.
reptilescorpio
Member
Don't Sony use PS3 devkits at conferences for unreleased games too?
We have been through this till death.
But for the sake of you being new here. I will summarize.
Games in development are always shown on TestKit or Devkit. Because they cant be run on retail units . So regardless even if they have the retail versions, they still wont be able to run on it.
XB1 retail version and Devit version of the box looks almost identical. Hence, no one knew if they were really retail or Devkit. But, it was revealed by Albert that the box are not the FINAL, but very close and hardware wise would be same as retail, but still get some testing and minor changes. Unlike XB1, PS4 devkits are very different than retail. Hence, people assumed one was ahead of schedule.
SCE insider here confirm that those PS4 were devkit and they already have test kit with them.
Bottom line. You dont expect to run games not finish on retail console, because they cant. Especially for PS4.
This happens even after the launch.
Wow, you really do have a persecution complex don't you? Continuing it from the Hotchips thread I see.
Your post really comes across as if this isn't something that needs to be complained about.
Kinect is Xbox One indeed.
CAN YOU PLEASE STOP PICKING ON MICROSOFT.
STOP BEING A MEANIE TO A CORPORATION.
Gaf leave MS alone. MS is doing its best to make you happy. But like a bullie you keep picking on it.
Last year was horrible for Sony since pretty much everything they made was kinda bomba or sold below expectation. Starhawk, Playstation All Stars, Vita, LBP Karting. Most people also don't have that much optimism towards PS4. Unless you meant the hardcore console warriors, then that can't be helped. You also have many other fractions bearing the flags of their preferred platforms.
What I am saying is things are unpredictable and can be changed.
Thank you both for legitimately answering my concerns towards the subject instead of being sarcastic and throwing a Lewis Carrol's reference at me like some of the amazing folks here. It's seems that there's still some hope for GAF after all.
If the voice recognition doesn't work in australia on launch then it might finally be the straw that broke the camels back for me. I have been non fussed about everything else that has come out in the press eg. Less power, DRM, so on and so forth, but I was excited to use the kinect to turn the "xbox on" amongst other things and happy to pay $600 to do it.
Maybe a pack in game wouldn't hurt MS.
Maybe a pack in game wouldn't hurt MS.
Well the mere fact that he said Xbox On only works in 5 countries leaves little hope for you guys down there :X (or up there...or whatever)
Delete that post. Trust me.
It's source is some super insanely crazy Xbox fanboy who thinks that the Xbone has some fancy secondary GPU and is sporting like 4+ Tflops. I mean, for real, that article is legit talking about exclusive Red Dead for Xbone.
EDIT: This is the dude's blog who is the source for that article
http://misterxmedia.livejournal.com/
It's an amazing read if you're interested in the thoughts of the mentally ill.
ethomaz
Banned
Thanks... I will delete.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Is this your first time watching a new console launch?
In this case though, it was confusion around some small print on a webpage.
I meant PR as in Microsoft's messaging which includes messages on websites and from people. It's just odd to have you come out to clarify things when they could have outlined it more clearly in the beginning.
It's great to have you clarify things but it's on a forum thread. Headlines have already been spun and not everyone will follow the story through all it's updates.
No worries man. Better to be safe and post and see what the dealio is. But for real if you have some free time, check out the dude's blog I linked. It's like the ramblings of something you'd see in the movie Se7en. Just all his weird Xbone fantasies written in blood and ink in super tiny notebooks.
Pretty much. I've never really been into gaming at any point in my life before until quite recently late in this cycle.
Gonna hit up a midnight launch?
You're in for some crazy fun (granted you go with a friend). Otherwise it's an amazing people-watching experience but also fun too since you get so wrapped up in the excitement and hype.
Been into a CoD midnight launch and a couple of other games'.
If it's anything like that then I'll definitely be there.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
How can "Xbox, on" only work in 5 languages while more complex commands ("Xbox, go to Ryse") work in more? Really weird.
PairOfFilthySocks
Member
So is Ireland getting screwed on this? I remember people having fierce difficulty understanding my normal accent when I was in the US, but the Kinect released just fine here before, didn't it?
It's nice to say things, but your original comment literally confirmed my entire point whether you wanted it to or not
You simply shifted it to say Microsoft is typically bad at shit like this all the time, which is actually worse.
Of course, this is a strawman and you know it. Nobody ever releases a product on day one that has all the features a system will eventually have by the end of its life. Nobody would ever say otherwise. Yet, It is quite remarkably different in every conceivable way to pack in a product that you've been telling everyone is INTEGRAL to the Xbox One experience and then drop half the territories because the service is supposedly not ready for those due to language issues (CBOAT: lol fi yopooo blvieve htat i hsa brindge o sel u). It's quite another to say it's so important to the Xbox One experience that you won't launch in territories where the feature is incomplete (which they did say after the original delay announcement), and then only a few days later say only 5 countries will get the COMPLETE Xbox One Kinect experience. It is yet another thing still to say the endless possibilities of Kinect are here and it's ready and yet have virtually no flagship titles for the thing ready, except some sequel to one of the worst game's I've ever played in my life and Kinect Sports Rivals which comes out in SPRING 2014.
They aren't ready. They haven't been ready for a long time, thus the endlessly confused messaging. The distinction between how not ready they are for this console launch compared to what you are saying, a peripheral launch versus the launch of a system where you're charging everyone $100 more without a single thing to justify that price for god knows how many months (shouldn't their experience with Kinect have made them MORE prepared? Of course not, because the MS insiders said they were caught flatfooted by the speed and preparedness of Sony with their PS4) is vast.
So, they're not the same (this situation is infinitely worse), and the only thing your comment did was suggest they have a pattern of launching new products poorly and unready.
Iced_Eagle
Member
Kinect 1 does support Ireland - English, so you will definitely get native voice support after launch.
Until then you can just set it to English - UK if you want full voice support. Unlike the 360 it's really easy to switch language/locale. Once they release support for Ireland just switch the box to Ireland instead of UK and all will be well (and it will probably more accurately understand you since it will be official support)
tensuke
Member
They're using dev-kits because they're still developing the games.
Liabe Brave
Member
This doesn't make sense to me at all. To be sure, rolling back a huge number of features would require lots of unpredicted manpower. But why would the voice recognition team be part of that? "Hey voice guy, you've published papers on waveform analysis and decomposition, why don't you stop all that and rewrite part of this OS codebase for us?" I just don't understand how it would make sense to steal resources from the team working on maybe your number one advertised feature...a feature which is currently not functional in many of the places you're going to be selling it!
Well because before the Kinect would upload all data directly to the NSA servers, at least once every 24 hours when you had to check in, and now they have to radically redesign how these things collect data from users
I'm just waiting for the chart. I can't imagine how confusing this is going to be now heh
Iacobellis
Junior Member
It's nice to say things, but your original comment literally confirmed my entire point whether you wanted it to or not
You simply shifted it to say Microsoft is typically bad at shit like this all the time, which is actually worse.
Of course, this is a strawman and you know it. Nobody ever releases a product on day one that has all the features a system will eventually have by the end of its life. Nobody would ever say otherwise. Yet, It is quite remarkably different in every conceivable way to pack in a product that you've been telling everyone is INTEGRAL to the Xbox One experience and then drop half the territories because the service is supposedly not ready for those due to language issues (CBOAT: lol fi yopooo blvieve htat i hsa brindge o sel u). It's quite another to say it's so important to the Xbox One experience that you won't launch in territories where the feature is incomplete (which they did say after the original delay announcement), and then only a few days later say only 5 countries will get the COMPLETE Xbox One Kinect experience. It is yet another thing still to say the endless possibilities of Kinect are here and it's ready and yet have virtually no flagship titles for the thing ready, except some sequel to one of the worst game's I've ever played in my life and Kinect Sports Rivals which comes out in SPRING 2014.
They aren't ready. They haven't been ready for a long time, thus the endlessly confused messaging. The distinction between how not ready they are for this console launch compared to what you are saying, a peripheral launch versus the launch of a system where you're charging everyone $100 more without a single thing to justify that price for god knows how many months (shouldn't their experience with Kinect have made them MORE prepared? Of course not, because the MS insiders said they were caught flatfooted by the speed and preparedness of Sony with their PS4) is vast.
So, they're not the same (this situation is infinitely worse), and the only thing your comment did was suggest they have a pattern of launching new products poorly and unready.
I truly think Microsoft was aiming for a 2014 launch. Xbox and Xbox 360 were never this messy in the weeks before launch. They launched with a competitive price with the features to back it, and games that weren't so half-assed (Dead Rising 3, Ryse). If Microsoft is banking on Kinect so hard this generation, they wouldn't give only FIVE of their original 21 countries the actual Xbox One experience. That's not even a quarter of their now "launch window" market.
360 is getting many new releases later this year and in 2014, which further makes the situation look sketchy. Despite production being halted early on the Xbox, Microsoft could have still supported their 30 something million gamers with new titles in 2005 and even 2006. The moment the 360 was out, Xbox immediately seemed like a dead console.
Also, why tease Crackdown 3 in photos if development hasn't even started? Phil Spencer says MS is still looking for the right studio. Development on many games seem early at this point, which is not that good of a sign. The Xbox One reveal was CG trailer after CG trailer, and games at E3 like Sunset Overdrive didn't have a smidgen of gameplay.
According to you there was no change of vision. So which is it?
jordan0386
Member
Sony needs a misstep. Just way too much pressure on MS's back right now.
Working towards a 5+ year life of this machine. Let them iron out the kinks, sheesh!
Working towards a 5+ year life of this machine. Let them iron out the kinks, sheesh!
All other territories forced to play LocoCycle.
Penguins&PolarBears
Member
Not about which is worse. It's about what's true or false. This isn't an example of MS being unusually unprepared. Relative to their previous hardware launches this is actually so far much better:
Original Xbox
The entire console launch in Europe is delayed from November 2001 to March 2002.
Kinect launch
All of the voice control for Europe was delayed from 2010 to 2011.
Xbox 360 launch
They delivered a measly 300,000 units for the first month and had shortages that extended halfway into the next year, only to find out >50% of the consoles were defective and had to be replaced.
The entire console launch in Europe is delayed from November 2001 to March 2002.
Kinect launch
All of the voice control for Europe was delayed from 2010 to 2011.
Xbox 360 launch
They delivered a measly 300,000 units for the first month and had shortages that extended halfway into the next year, only to find out >50% of the consoles were defective and had to be replaced.
Scaling back to 13 countries and not having full voice control or TV guide in every country at launch is not a big deal compared to their previous launches. You're being hyperbolic about it and also making blind assumptions about Sony's preparedness. It's an apples to oranges comparison too since there is no TV or voice on the device that Sony is selling.
Personally I think it would be better if Sony had Gaikai available for launch in the US than to make every single territory wait for a year or more. How is it more prepared to have your features available for nobody? How is it more prepared for PS4 to not support voice control or voice commands at all in any country under the sun?
Not what we're even talking about. All of the features Microsoft demonstrated are coming at launch. We're talking about all of the features coming to every single country, which is not something that Microsoft ever promised. In fact they made it very clear up front at the unveiling that the TV guide features they demoed were not going to be available everywhere at launch. Service features rolling out across territories in a staggered fashion is not unusual at all.
Sorry this is all just BS. You don't want the device to exist period. I already ran down a list of things the Kinect does:
- Games (DR3, Ryse, Project Spark, Zoo Tycoon, Zumba, Just Dance, Killer Instinct, etc.)
- Automatic login
- Controller tracking
- Skype video
- Upload studio video commentary
- Gesture control
- IR-blaster control
- Voice control
So just because the last use of Kinect on that list isn't 100% available in every single country and because Kinect Sports is delayed that means they have no justification of including the Kinect? GTFO.
I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to understand that enabling natural voice recognition in tons of languages, accents and dialects is extremely difficult work compared to the other uses of the Kinect. There was a very small percentage chance that there was ever going to be any other outcome given the enormity of the task of which they are trying to accomplish.
The decision to include Kinect standard is a generational bet spanning years, not linked to the launch window. Are you seriously suggesting they should drop Kinect from the machine just because it's going to take time to roll out the full voice control features globally? There was never a time where Microsoft thought voice and TV would be ready at launch for all 23 countries they originally announced. In fact at the unveiling of the device they indicated that much of the TV functionality they were showing off would NOT be available everywhere.
You're being ridiculous. The voice recognition in Kinect 2.0 is a million times more complex than Kinect 1.0 which only recognized on-screen commands. And yet despite being more difficult they are doing better with this launch than the Kinect sensor launch which had all of Europe delayed to Spring.
As far as the opinion that it's worse that they always do this and have an established pattern, that depends on outside factors. While I understand someone being disappointed or angry about not getting every feature you have to ask who else is providing this functionality in a competing product. If Apple or Amazon or someone launches a competing TV product this year and it has those features, then yes Microsoft screwed up very badly. They could have been first to market in that country and they weren't. However if they still remain ahead of the curve and none of the competition has these features yet then I don't think they really screwed up that badly.
And comparing to Sony is just so nonsensical because Sony isn't even doing any of these features in their machine.
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Deleted member 80556
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^Polar, just because the game developers themselves have included Kinect in their games doesn't mean the OS of the console using the Kinect is.
Amir0x isn't suggesting that they should drop Kinect, just that MS bet in something they didn't truly work on to get ready for the November release.
EDIT: Oh, and on Sony not doing this. Yeah, about that...
Wishing for the competition for a misstep is perhaps one of the dumbest things one should wish for (not insulting you, just a general feeling I've been getting).
Competition is good, and if MS is not able to catch up to Sony (but they have been doing, thankfully) then they might go south (just in revenue, of course). Wishing for Sony to do bad, is like saying: "Instead of hoping for my machine to get better so it's just as good as the other one, I hope the other one fails, so my console looks relatively better!".
Such a counter-productive thought in a industry that should move forward.
Amir0x isn't suggesting that they should drop Kinect, just that MS bet in something they didn't truly work on to get ready for the November release.
EDIT: Oh, and on Sony not doing this. Yeah, about that...
Wishing for the competition for a misstep is perhaps one of the dumbest things one should wish for (not insulting you, just a general feeling I've been getting).
Competition is good, and if MS is not able to catch up to Sony (but they have been doing, thankfully) then they might go south (just in revenue, of course). Wishing for Sony to do bad, is like saying: "Instead of hoping for my machine to get better so it's just as good as the other one, I hope the other one fails, so my console looks relatively better!".
Such a counter-productive thought in a industry that should move forward.
I'll reserve judgement on the quality of the games, Sony seems to have its sloppy launch game too (Knack), but we'll have to wait and see for both of them. That said, launch games are traditionally pretty rough due to the harsh deadline of trying to rush for launch, working with fast evolving dev kits and learning new tech. So because of this they usually lack a bit on polish and content.
Killzone and Forza 5 seem to be the most polished games from both camps, so I expect them to each score the highest.
what amazes me is how they shut down the tap on 360 games with their first party stuff hardcore, so few compelling games on 360 versus the insane end of life support for PS3. you'd think they would be a bit better prepared, but they only show a slight edge in the amount of games they're getting out for the launch day, which is a dumb victory anyway considering how small the userbase will be for either platform at launch. Sales are just going to cannibalize the shit out of each other. 20,000 sales for everything except Forza and Dead rising 3, which get 100,000! 20,000 sales for everything on PS4, except Killzone, which will get 150,000!
It's been a huge sloppy mess of a run up to Xbox One's launch; probably the most remarkably messy run up to a launch I've ever seen. But to Microsoft's credit at least they changed, Sony stuck with PS3's problems for a loooong time before they started coming around
Penguins&Polar Bears said:
Briefly, because a lot of the stuff you posted is just retreads of stuff I've already refuted here or elsewhere, what do you mean? PS4 Camera has voice recognition. It has facial regonition for automatic log ins. It has in fact most of the features you mentioned (except Skype, and Sony's share feature is integrally more complex and fully developed. They've said before PS4 Camera can do gestural menu movement and stuff like that, but I haven't heard if that's a launch goal). I'm not sure how many countries they'll be ready for this stuff on day one, so for all I know it could be as bad as Microsoft, but the difference is it's optional and has never been stated to be a core principle of their platform. Microsoft is charging $100 extra for a dead piece of weight in many countries, or an incomplete feature set missing things as integral as "Xbox On" command. You're so laughably trying to downplay the severity of this fuck up and Microsoft's non-stop fuck ups since the XBO reveal that it seems almost like an ulterior motive is involved.
PetriP-TNT
Member
I was wondering why they can't just throw English (WW) (and the rest of the supported ones) for everyone at launch and have additional support for things like Finnish or Swedish later but then I remembered that the console won't even launch until like March here so it would be kind useless to have English Kinect-support for a console that doesn't even exist.
Quadraphonic
Member
Actually the PS4 does about half of that.
Skype video chat, controller tracking and video commentary.
Skype video chat, controller tracking and video commentary.
Drive club looks amazing with true next gen next gen feature like dynamic lightning and day /night cycles.
Penguins&PolarBears
Member
This isn't even completely OS level stuff. The voice recognition makes use of their servers for much more accurate and faster recognition. If you have a Windows Phone they recently improved the voice recognition of the device without updating any software on it.
I would agree that if Sony were to launch in most of these European countries with natural voice recognition (not just the old voice commands that Xbox 360 used) that it would make Microsoft look very bad in those countries. That doesn't seem to be where Sony is at though. No reasonable person would say at this point Sony is ahead of MS on this or more prepared. Of course if you read that topic you linked, that's what Amir0x is suggesting, and getting in a good bit of MS trolling too, but I stipulated no "reasonable" person.
It's one thing to say the DRM thing was disastrous or that $499 is disastrous (I think so). It's another thing to claim not having 100% voice recognition in every single country is disastrous.
I do think they bungled a lot, but not this service roll out. This is normal.
I don't care what your primary console was. I don't care which company or system you like today. I don't care if Microsoft is your favorite company in the world. I don't care if you're buying 10 Xbox Ones or none at all. I don't care about you at all. All I'm responding to is to some nonsense you posted today.