SenjutsuSage
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We're at the next level lol.
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Albert Penello puts dGPU Xbox One rumor to rest
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We're at the next level lol.
Albert is making the claim that multiplats will be virtually identical. I'm asking if he is willing to put his money where his mouth is.
Well he is claiming no power difference. So all should be great. ;p
the majority is not always correct. Aside from that , no one ever said it was a majority , it could have (and most likely was ) a loud minority .
Your backing out of the conversation because you know when laid out truthfully the drm ms had set to release was not bad at all and in many ways benfitial to gamers.
Hats off to you! A brilliant response.
Nightengale
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Major enough that they 180-ed in a week.
Fable sucks period. Anyone talking up that series needs to have their gaming cred questioned. But you're right, the rest of the games are older than most gamers in here.
So the majority isn't correct but it isn't the majority according to you, so...what?
The DRM MS set up was anti-consumer. They have since gone back on it because it got such a response when announced and the fact they could not even explain it well enough themselves.
yes I am sure it's the loud minority preorders that made them 180. yep a multibillion dollar company changes in a sec its core ideaology not based on factual preorders but loud Internet minority. if that's the case than they are even more inept than we thought.
Loud enough at the very least. Loud an uninformed if the responses I've gotten to my like of the drm are anything to go by.
The minority was big enough to force a multi-billion dollar company to radically change its principles on several occasions. After all, a minority of gamers (a.k.a. The Core Gamer®) will buy these consoles for $400/$500 at launch and have an influence on the majority.
Can I buy five AAA EA games in a humble bundle for a dollar and activate them on Xbox One?
Speaking of which, how is the digital store competition looking on the One?
But apparently not loud enough until after pre-orders started. Then they got really loud.
Since you have the inside track on Albert and how he feels about things, how does he feel about big breasts?
The fans that got shows like veronica mars back on air even after executives canceled it or a movie for firefly made may seem large also at the time. But we see how small they are in hind sight .
Anyway off to bed for me.
eddfromtheriver
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Why don't you answer the questions you've been getting about your statements being wrong?, and further explaining?, the light that illuminates you (and your company) is not flattering right now.
Nightengale
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Being loud for more than 3 months did nothing, and somehow that loudness for the few days after E3 was?
And call it uninformed if you'd like, but MS didn't do anyone any favours at all, by looking as uninformed as the 'loud minority' were.
So then we can't use multiplats as a fair measuring stick of each system's power? Just want to be clear.
Pre-orders (or lack of them) is key to everything we've seen with the One. Complete reversal of the major USPs for the One, backtracking on policies (mandatory online, mandatory connected Kinect etc) and culminating with the restructure of the executive team and departure of the person primarily responsible for the original One vision.
Shit like that doesn't happen based on a few snarky comments gaming forums or twitter. Monumental changes like we've seen with the Xbox only occur when there are severe dollar implications. If unchecked, the One would have utterly tanked. This was due to market forces, not vocal minorities venting online.
BigJonsson
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I have a friend at work who is going to get the XB1 at launch because of the achievement, he asked me if Destiny was a launch title, I said no, he asked what big games were coming so I asked if he was excited for Titanfall
He replied that he hasn't seen Titanfall lol
I laughed
He replied that he hasn't seen Titanfall lol
I laughed
Yes? Stupid .gifs and meme pics might be fun for us but he probably doesn't have time to deal with stuff like that. Or post that amount to "why is your product so shitty?". Now well reasoned questions from from gamers, regardless of their intention to buy a 180, should be welcome. But the snark and people who are hoping he loses it and gets banned...why shouldn't he ignore that?
I'm backing out of the conversation because I wasn't in it to begin with.
I don't care enough to really participate in a discussion about DRM because it'll be filled with hypothetical assumptions.
My stance on the DRM was that it was draconian and broken.
LOL. Pretty much the crux of Albert's stance in this thread. Funny when you turn it into PC components like that. But hey, if I add secret sauce to my PC that 7770 will be equal to the 7850.
Have you been in this thread long? There's been VERY little gifs/meme pics in this thread...nor were "why is your product shitty". The vast majority of responses in this thread have been on point and dealt directly with Albert's tech posts. And the only people that were banned were snarky Xbone dudes acting like douches.
NullPointer
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Older than you? I can believe that.
I think that's what makes this all this all so trivial. "Better" is subjective unless you're comparing raw numbers, but they don't magically translate into best experience. Multiplatform games looked better on one box versus the other, but people still bought versions because their friends were already on Live or PSN or they like one controller over the other.
The launch games are there to sell you on potential since the platforms aren't mature yet. They're intended to drive console sales, but in the long run that's not relevant if you're patient. Over time the experience that fits each person best will present itself, and the purchase choice will become more clear (and cheaper too). Console wars are pretty pointless.
Microsoft's biggest challenge for launch is that they're behind in terms of appeal. HW power is the least of their concerns relative to average consumers still thinking it has a spy camera, blocks used games, isn't worth $100 more, has to be online, and doesn't really stand for anything obvious.
Not sure what this has to do with anything.
Could I get 2 free triple AAA games a month free on steam ? See how it works. Silly is silly .
The digital store competition looks fine for a closed box machine j ust like an iphone , android device , ps vita or ps3 or xbox 360.
Even steam is a closed digital store. I can't buy a game on steam and decide I want to move it to origin.
At the very least with MS's old drm I would have been able to buy it on the one and if I didn't like it , I could have sold it and then bought it on steam or origin thus recouping some of my loss. If I bought it on steam i'd have to suck it up and just buy it all over again loosing double the money.
See you expose another great feature on the original xbox one drm that doesn't exist on steam. Thank you for that.
Anyway good night
Garrett 2U
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Well I certainly wouldn't take you to be more than 7 years old, that's for sure.
how is it free? Don't you pay monthly/yearly subscription ?
How can you tell? Do you have a lot of experience chatting online with 7 year olds?
PS3 and 360 are at parity in terms of sales.
Guess which platform buys more multiplatform games.
To say the performance of a game on a particular platform doesn't factor into some peoples buying decisions is disingenuous at best and a lie at worst. Have you been in any face off threads?
Nightengale
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This thread has derailed and devolved. Badly.
Out.
Out.
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So, pray tell, if MS was just listening to the "vocal minority, why exactly did they wait until after E3, after pre-orders went live, to actually change the DRM in the Xbone? There was certainly no shortage of outcry leading up to the event. Certainly the "vocal minority" was being quite vocal about their distaste for the obnoxious DRM leading up to then. But then, it's suddenly becomes important for MS to listen to this "vocal minority" after months of confrontation that exploded after the reveal.
Again - MS waited until they had tangible proof that their policies were causing a real problem, until they could numerically prove that they were losing support thanks to their message. It was nothing to do with quelling a "vocal minority" and everything to do with making sure the Xbone wasn't doomed to become the next Dreamcast.
Now you can buy games for the X1 and sell them if you didn't like them (probably making more money since you don't have to sell your games to "eligible MS partners" but everyone you choose).
You don't think you could have sold digital games, do you?
Liabe Brave
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This very post by you might substantiate the claim, actually. You say both Ryse and Killzone look great. But if you played the PS4 games at PAX then Killzone was multiplayer, running at 40-50fps. Ryse runs at 30fps. That's about 50% greater performance on PS4, according to you.
Mike Works
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Albert,
GAF is easily one of the largest videogame forums on the net, and contains a ton of industry professionals and plain ol fans who know their shit. If the purpose of trying to rebuke what you or Microsoft feels are unfair or unsubstantiated claims about the supposed PS4/XB1 power difference, then you guys really should have someone come on here that can answer those questions directly.
I think your intentions were really great, giving us info supposedly straight from the source, but the problem is there's no possibility for a true dialogue here, since we're not actually speaking to said software engineer - we're speaking to you, who knows much, much less on the matter (though you still know a billion times more shit than I do on the matter). So when you post something that this engineer claims, and literally dozens of posters call him or her out on being incorrect, the only response we're seeing from you is a puffing of the chest, a ruffling of feathers.
And in a sense, I don't blame you, because it's damn daunting having hundreds of people drooling in anticipation of you tripping up, barking at your posts. But at the same time, it's only fair - they all think at least part of what you posted (on behalf of the engineer) is factually wrong. And the purpose of your posts in this thread were to clear the air over those, and other statements and facts.
So the way I see it, you need to get someone like that engineer to answer these questions directly (if swaying this forum's opinion on these matters is that important to you). You need to get them an account, or you need to set up a thread where people can pick however many questions to send to him for him to answer directly. And there needs to be an option for rebuttal, because frankly a ton of people on this forum don't think Microsoft has been 100% upfront, transparent, or honest in these past 6 months, and if there are going to be technically confusing and detailed questions and answers, there's probably going to be the need for more than one back and one forth.
So don't try to go Spartan (300 reference, not Ryse) in this thread, even if that is your job. I admit that it's somewhat fun to read, but not for the manner that you intend, and you honestly do seem like a pretty decent and approachable guy. If I were talking to Don Mattrick right now, I probably wouldn't be trying to help him step out of the flames (you don't have to reply to that).
So even though I know your guys are super busy right now, set up something with someone who can answer these questions directly, as they come in. Get him to sit in front of a computer for an hour or two and answer some designated (but potentially) tough questions. Lord over him, approve his responses before he sends them if you want, but if you really want to dissuade this unbalanced power groupthink, then that's the way to do it.
GAF is easily one of the largest videogame forums on the net, and contains a ton of industry professionals and plain ol fans who know their shit. If the purpose of trying to rebuke what you or Microsoft feels are unfair or unsubstantiated claims about the supposed PS4/XB1 power difference, then you guys really should have someone come on here that can answer those questions directly.
I think your intentions were really great, giving us info supposedly straight from the source, but the problem is there's no possibility for a true dialogue here, since we're not actually speaking to said software engineer - we're speaking to you, who knows much, much less on the matter (though you still know a billion times more shit than I do on the matter). So when you post something that this engineer claims, and literally dozens of posters call him or her out on being incorrect, the only response we're seeing from you is a puffing of the chest, a ruffling of feathers.
And in a sense, I don't blame you, because it's damn daunting having hundreds of people drooling in anticipation of you tripping up, barking at your posts. But at the same time, it's only fair - they all think at least part of what you posted (on behalf of the engineer) is factually wrong. And the purpose of your posts in this thread were to clear the air over those, and other statements and facts.
So the way I see it, you need to get someone like that engineer to answer these questions directly (if swaying this forum's opinion on these matters is that important to you). You need to get them an account, or you need to set up a thread where people can pick however many questions to send to him for him to answer directly. And there needs to be an option for rebuttal, because frankly a ton of people on this forum don't think Microsoft has been 100% upfront, transparent, or honest in these past 6 months, and if there are going to be technically confusing and detailed questions and answers, there's probably going to be the need for more than one back and one forth.
So don't try to go Spartan (300 reference, not Ryse) in this thread, even if that is your job. I admit that it's somewhat fun to read, but not for the manner that you intend, and you honestly do seem like a pretty decent and approachable guy. If I were talking to Don Mattrick right now, I probably wouldn't be trying to help him step out of the flames (you don't have to reply to that).
So even though I know your guys are super busy right now, set up something with someone who can answer these questions directly, as they come in. Get him to sit in front of a computer for an hour or two and answer some designated (but potentially) tough questions. Lord over him, approve his responses before he sends them if you want, but if you really want to dissuade this unbalanced power groupthink, then that's the way to do it.
Thank you for your participation in GAF. Sleep well, and don't forget my questions! http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=80965437#post80965437
Mainly cause Albert stopped posting and everything wrong or factually incorrect or misleading in his posts has already been brought to light.
We did well tonight.
Kudos, you should post more often over here instead of just in Off Topic or wherever you're hiding!
Salvor.Hardin
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And Driveclub runs at 30fps. What's your point?
Also, Killzone's campaign mode is locked at 30fps.
I have a few points:
AMD will provide the drivers for the GPU for both, surely? If not, I'm not sure I trust MS with this.
If a boss asks an employee if they did a good job they will always say yes, they believe so.
Since GPUS were invented, the ones were the fastest were the ones which had more stuff and did them faster, what has changed?
Both machines have hardware cycles currently reserved by the manufacturer for future updates which may or may not be needed, and neither will have reserved the same as each other so to try to comment on how much juice they have left in the tank is a little mis-leading, no?
AMD will provide the drivers for the GPU for both, surely? If not, I'm not sure I trust MS with this.
If a boss asks an employee if they did a good job they will always say yes, they believe so.
Since GPUS were invented, the ones were the fastest were the ones which had more stuff and did them faster, what has changed?
Both machines have hardware cycles currently reserved by the manufacturer for future updates which may or may not be needed, and neither will have reserved the same as each other so to try to comment on how much juice they have left in the tank is a little mis-leading, no?
Such a loud minority that we need bots spamming twitter to out message them....
Both blow everything we have seen on the Xbone so far completely out of the water.
Hydrargyrus
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The Technical fellow and the technical folks.
Wow, that sound like the "Microsoft and the magic house os science"
Wow, that sound like the "Microsoft and the magic house os science"
Mihael Mello Keehl
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This.Hopefully he sees this.
Driveclub hasn't
FPS comparisons will only get you so far.
As an easy example: Counter-Strike: Source has hundreds of FPS on 640x480 and with everything turned off but looks like shit. Pump it up to 1920x1080, turn everything on and you'll have much less FPS but the game looks miles better.
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