Probably steamOS success will be established before people aware of the intentions of valve with that OS.
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Valve announces SteamOS
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Probably steamOS success will be established before people aware of the intentions of valve with that OS.
I don"t believe this myth that gamers need to be educated about how they could bring their PCs into the living room.
People who don't bother investing into a 15$ HDMI cable+USB hub would be more comfortable with dualboot OSes or a Steambox solution that streams content from their PC with at least 50ms of input lag?
People who don't bother investing into a 15$ HDMI cable+USB hub would be more comfortable with dualboot OSes or a Steambox solution that streams content from their PC with at least 50ms of input lag?
You're getting ahead of yourself. There are two more pieces to the puzzle yet.
Then you clearly do not understand the problems.
With windows 8 (and RT) Metro apps have to go via the MS store, you can not install metro programs from any other source.
On the other hand, based on what has been stated in the link in the OP you can install any software you want on SteamOS! (and I doubt valve could stop anyone even if they wanted to).
I'm also excited that there's going to be a dedicated OS not only to Steam, but one that has the backing of teams that are going to optimize it for gaming. Not many people have the resources to do something like this, and it's pretty exciting.
No. At least not as the announcement.
actually, thats not what they are aiming for. they are aiming for a free open system that wins the living room, not act as a replacement for closed walled gardens called consoles.
They think the console isn't the best solution for the living room, and he is right. There is not a single console that can access all the screens in your living room, tablet, laptop, TV, desktop, mobile phone and that is what Valve is trying to achieve.
That's the plan. Make some noise first and raise awareness, thoroughly explain latter in the week with the full reveal. We are still two announcements short to understand the full picture.
Surely, I not said "console" but "that consolish thing" because console gamers may be afraid of pc but maybe can look differently to steambox. When they try that "new thing" they will discover the differences and then they will love it and begin to see the advantages over traditional consoles.
ColdBlooder
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IF done right, this could mean trouble for MS and Apple TV. But it will be a long and ongoing process. Its not going to be "SteamOS is out BOOM Windows gaming doomed". It will take years and this is the startingpoint.
I hope the OS works well thw day it releases. Would be a shame of they stumble out the door with it.
Now lets wait for the inevitable Steambox hardware tomorrow ;-)
Sure, but making HL3 or any piece of Valved developed software SteamOS exclusive wont help. They need a way to provide clear benefits of running HL3 on a Steambox compared to a traditional PC and Consoles.
But HL3 steam exclusive is enough. They don't need SteamOS exclusives. SteamOS and SteamBOX are things for that people that want to buy steam games but not like a pc enviroment.
They don't need to push SteamOS over windows steam. If you are into steam world, valve is happy.
And finally we can see digital foundry comparing PS4/Xbone/Steambox versions.
angular graphics
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Not going to happen. The SteamBox, SteamOS and whatever else Valve is cooking up is a means to an end, which is to broaden the userbase of Steam itself. In other words, Valve isn't creating pillars for a new platform but rather expanding an existing one.
dark_inferno
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Who else is going to install the OS the moment its available?
Stop saying that Valve would announce HL3 and discuss the OS.
Stop saying that Valve would announce HL3 and discuss the OS.
They really don't as Steam OS isn't aimed for the gamers who want HL3 (PC gamers) it is aimed at gamers who prefer just to play any game, preferably with a community.
I will and will test streaming quality and latency the same minute SteamOS is released.
This isn't going to be a traditional console, I wouldn't be surprised if Valves first Steambox run is less than 10k units. They're not going to have conferences, commercials, events. If this idea does take off, you'll only realise it if you look back in five years and say 'heh, I guess things have changed'.
I'll install it straight away. I recently built a small box for the living room, and although it has Windows it doesn't have the same sort of power as my main PC. I'd love to stream my catalogue of games from the main PC to the living room, this is exactly what I've been waiting for. Over time I hope the native Linux library will build up so I can become less reliant on streaming.
angular graphics
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ColdBlooder
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Yeah Streaming is the "for now" solution until the library builds up. Although not every game thats already out will make its way to Linux...
Me, if i can get my secondary rig ready in time. Needs a CPU cooler and an sfx PSU and then its ready!
ColdBlooder
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DP, sry
No. You can plug your computer to your living room TV.
angular graphics
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There are hints that the SteamBox itself will use an nvidia GPU and its tech (like the Shield does). http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=83284961&postcount=1007
But there might be other solutions as well.
Kocolino67
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Hmhm, they 'bundled' HL2 together with Steam and introduced also the Source engine in 2004 - why not 'bundle' HL3 with SteamOS and introduce the Source 2 engine?
Why not? Why, Valve? Wry u no Half Life 3? Right now, I'll give you less than 48 hours to change that!
Why not? Why, Valve? Wry u no Half Life 3? Right now, I'll give you less than 48 hours to change that!
yes, I know, L4D3 will presumably be the first Source 2 game
I was thinking of doing this. At the moment my PC boots straight into Steam BPM and bypasses Windows Explorer entirely. I have another PC that I can use to test SteamOS.
ColdBlooder
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I think Valve will have an htcp wich will serve as the "low end, minimum requirement" system for a cheap buck and maybe have a beefier system for more money. While also let people, who like bulding their own PCs, install SteamOS on any system.
Would reach the most people this way!
If there's only a single, monolithic system without any optional packages, there's simply no need for a full fledged package manager, no need to mirror repos or anything like that. Just use Steam as package manager. Steam is a package manager.
And integrating the configuration options into Steam should be piss easy. I don't see the hard road you're speaking of, but I see the consistency and much better user experience a fully integrated solution would bring to the table. Also, Valve already has their own virtual keyboard as part of Big Picture, and it's completely different from any other virtual keyboard out there both in look and feel. Again: Consistency and user experience.
People should really get to terms with this. Valve has nothing to gain by giving up sales to make people migrate from one of their supported platforms to another one of their supported platforms. They take 30% either way.
Maybe I'm missing the point because I have a severe headache but how is Steam OS supposed to broaden the reach of Steam?
The way I see it Steam OS is targeted at people who already own a Steam capable machine but want to run a more optimized system.
I don't see Steam OS taking off in any way for a yet untapped potential target audience. If someone does not own a gaming PC then Steam OS is not going to sway those people into buying one and existing gaming PC owners surely already have Steam installed on their Windows PC and might not want to sacrifice the ability to install any software supported by Windows.
The way I see it Steam OS is targeted at people who already own a Steam capable machine but want to run a more optimized system.
I don't see Steam OS taking off in any way for a yet untapped potential target audience. If someone does not own a gaming PC then Steam OS is not going to sway those people into buying one and existing gaming PC owners surely already have Steam installed on their Windows PC and might not want to sacrifice the ability to install any software supported by Windows.
ColdBlooder
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tbh i can see a timed exclusivity for some games happening.
It won't. SteamOS and the SteamBox are products that connect with the platform (Steam itself), not platforms in and of themselves.
Betta Lines
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Why?
Exclusive hats!
Wondering the same things, will just have to wait for more information.
You have to think about the long-term. SteamOS is just the next step in Valve's grand plans for PC gaming. They are providing an alternative platform to Windows designed especially for gaming. Right now, they are focusing on the living room, and the living room being an extension of your desktop PC. It is more about encouraging developers to release Linux versions of their games, so that in five, ten years time it could be a viable OS for desktop gaming and it should be mature enough to use as a 'standalone' console in the living room. At that point, Steam will have broadened its reach, both in terms of consumers and developers.
ColdBlooder
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Linux and Windows builds are seperate. Also with the focus of Valve maybe switching to Linux and OpenGL, Linux builds might come earlier than Windows builds (Of Valves own games). But nothing is set in stone right now. Time will tell.
Because increasing the adoption of SteamOS. Why make a SteamOS but give people no incentive to try it over Windows Steam application?
? How ?
This is a Linux distribution using established technology along with Valve software and design choices. Whatever works here, works in other distributions.
And most importantly, as far as Valve is concerned Steam is one platform running atop multiple different environments. If anything, SteamOS is their way of further establishing that Steam is OS-agnostic. I imagine that ideally they'd want all games to be available anywhere Steam is available.
They don't care about that. The only important thing for Valve is that Steam is growing soundly regardless Windows' future motions -- whatever operating system is most widespread doesn't matter; they're everywhere, and they encourage developers to be everywhere. The reason they chose Linux for their frontend is because it's not a product, but a feature -- and its openness is ideal for a platform like Steam. I personally feel we should logically expect a web and/or mobile extension of Steam sooner rather than later as well.
Sentenza
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I have honestly no idea of what makes you say so.
Same here, that's a completely arbitrary assumption.
If anything, new customers are the ones who have the less to lose from the initial supposedly "problematic" backward compatibility.
childplease
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It just hit me. What implications will it have on the next generation of consoles if Valve introduces the steambox in a sense another next gen console. A "console" that one day one would introduce a new audience to a gargantuan library of games, on day 1 have far more games than its competitors and at the same time could be potentially far more powerful.
Anyone else get the feeling that the steambox could shake up what we think of as console generations.
Anyone else get the feeling that the steambox could shake up what we think of as console generations.
Valve has nothing to gain by exploiting granular exclusivity and thereby alienating significant portions of its userbase. Again, Steam is the platform, so the particulars of the business do not change -- 100% of revenue for a Valve game, 30% for third-party games.
What is gained by forcing increased adoption of a free product that's expressly being designed to increase the usability of the Steam platform? Valve doesn't like the direction in which Microsoft is steering the Windows ship, but why should this cause Valve to be concerned about its Windows customer base? After all, if the ship runs aground, people will go elsewhere by their own volition.
TUROK
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But with a Windows OS, you can still play all those Windows games that aren't on Steam. Not so on Steam OS.
scytheavatar
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I see Valve doing this not for the intention of broadening the reach of Steam, but to prepare PC Gaming for life after Windows. They and many others have more or less given up on Microsoft at this point after their intentions of turning into the new Apple is clear and they need to prepare an OS platform that'll maintain the open nature that Windows had.
Sentenza
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Yeah... So? You can also already use W.I.N.E. for a lot of games not natively on Linux/Steam, if you put it like that.
And those are eventually going to become fewer and fewer over time, which is the main point we should argue about.
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