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[Brad Grenz]

So then what does this mean?

"One-time license fee for downloads to up to 2 console systems that are associated with the purchasing account."

I misread this as 2 activations.

1 "primary" console plus 1 logged in console? Probably left over language from the PS3 legalese, but the PS4 specifics are listed above that line and supersede it.

 

[Dash Kappei]

why is it so hard to understand, maybe because some of you didnt have PS3 before?

There are two important terms here:
1. Activated console
2. Account

One account can have 2 consoles activated. On those 2 consoles, ANY account can play games on it. It does not have to be original account that purchased the game. This is how people share games.

For PS4, it seems that they also added "roaming" for account which allows it to play purchased game at any PS4 as long as your are logged in. This is what I get from description on Knack store page.

In any case, tweet from Yoshida confirms the first part, which is same as before with PS3 - on your activated consoles, you can play with ANY account. So your girlfriend or my nephew can play my games on their account as long as I activated their console as one of my 2 consoles.

I don't know why, but it obviously is for you since you got it all wrong even after 6 pages of discussions.

It's NOTHING like on PS3, unfortunately I might add (loved it with my brother).

•PS3 Console1 *and* PS3 Console2:
you can activate 2 consoles as License Holders where it's possible to play ANY game bought with ANY account as long as the account used to purchase Game X is present on both machines, even with the console offline.

•PS4 Console1 -holds the original purchase license:
On PS4 you can have only 1 console as the License Holder, which is where account X has made the original purchase and DL the game for the first time: on that console, every account present (you, brother, gf...) can play the game, both online while signed in on their own accounts or even offline.

•PS4 Console2 -doesn't hold the original purchase license:
Account X can also sign online to DL and play the Game on a different console. *BUT* only Account X will be able to play his Game/s on a different console (which doesn't hold the original purchase license).
It's unclear atm if Account X will need to be signed in *online* or if being signed in while offline will be enough.

 

[spwolf]

I don't know why, but it obviously is for you since you got it all wrong even after 6 pages of discussions.

It's NOTHING like on PS3, unfortunately I might add (loved it with my brother).

•PS3 Console1 *and* PS3 Console2:
you can activate 2 consoles as License Holders where it's possible to play ANY game bought with ANY account as long as the account used to purchase Game X is present on both machines, even with the console offline.

•PS4 Console1 -holds the original purchase license:
On PS4 you can have only 1 console as the License Holder, which is where account X has made the original purchase and DL the game for the first time: on that console, every account present (you, brother, gf...) can play the game, both online while signed in on their own accounts or even offline.

•PS4 Console2 -doesn't hold the original purchase license:
Account X can also sign online to DL and play the Game on a different console. *BUT* only Account X will be able to play his Game/s on a different console (which doesn't hold the original purchase license).
It's unclear atm if Account X will need to be signed in *online* or if being signed in while offline will be enough.

well you could have read 2 posts under it - also, the text in the store said 2 console activations.

As to being signed in - it means you have to be signed in online... how can you be signed in offline?

 

[BadAss2961]

People need to stop assuming facts in this thread. It isn't 100% what will and will not work on PS4 yet in regards to sharing.

The PS3/Vita way is likely dead. But also... Sony isn't going to promote game/account sharing if it's still possible on PS4. So we'll probably have to wait until people get their hands on it and test the system.

 

[UNCMark]

People need to stop assuming facts in this thread. It isn't 100% what will and will not work on PS4 yet in regards to sharing.

Some of us aren't assuming. We're merely repeating exactly what Sony themselves said. it is exactly 100 percent unless they've since decided to change it, but based on today's tweets, they haven't.

 

[simplythebest]

Looks like some people are still confused over this despite what was pointed out on page six. :-\

 

[BadAss2961]

Some of us aren't assuming. We're merely repeating exactly what Sony themselves said. it is exactly 100 percent unless they've since decided to change it, but based on today's tweets, they haven't.

There's the video, then there's the description on Knack's pre-order page...

One-time license fee for play on purchasing account’s designated, primary PS4™ system and other PS4™ systems when signed in with purchasing account.

But then...

Purchase or use of this item is subject to the PlayStation®Network Terms of Service, this item’s use restrictions, and other applicable terms located at http://www.us.playstation.com/support/useragreements. If you do not wish to accept all these terms, do not purchase or use this item. One-time license fee for downloads to up to 2 console systems that are associated with the purchasing account.

Obviously these 2 quotes conflict with each other. The 2nd quote could just be the same old legalese for PS3 purchases that Sony forgot to update. On the other hand, it could also mean that Knack is just one game that's restricted to the purchaser's account. A user already pointed out that this was the case with a few PS3 games -- Warhawk for example.

Sony forgetting to update the legalese is a likely mistake, but we can't confirm for sure yet. So let's calm the fuck down until we can see it for ourselves, or someone specifically addresses this issue.

 

[Canis lupus]

I'm sad about the online requirement for the 2nd console. Gamesharing could still work if:

• Multiple sign ins are supported
• On console 2 you can play games of account X with another account while they're both online

 

[Killing_Joke]

1 "primary" console plus 1 logged in console? Probably left over language from the PS3 legalese, but the PS4 specifics are listed above that line and supersede it.

Hmm i don't know about that. I can't find any article stating the activations are gone. I even found an old thread where the same exact discussion was going on. lol

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=625531

Even has the same Sony video. Which honestly isn't clear about it either. All the video confirms is 1. You can log into any system in the world to play your games and 2. Your Home system can be shared with any account including ps+. I don't think Sony ever promotes game sharing anymore especially in PR videos.

One-time license fee for play on purchasing account’s designated, primary PS4™ system and other PS4™ systems when signed in with purchasing account.

That description fits number 1 perfectly. But this quote:

One-time license fee for downloads to up to 2 console systems that are associated with the purchasing account.

Still makes it seem like you have 2 activation slots. The same line is used in almost every PS3 digital game description. Now the major difference between the ps4/ps3 is other accounts CAN'T log into the second ps4 like the ps3 could. So if your buddy wants to log on and platinum a game using your purchase. He can't. He could play the game offline but that's it.

Or i can be completely wrong. lol I don't think we are going to find out till launch or further confirmation.

 

[DerZuhälter]

Finally I can play Journey Co-Op by myself!

 

[UNCMark]

Sony forgetting to update the legalese is a likely mistake, but we can't confirm for sure yet. So let's calm the fuck down until we can see it for ourselves, or someone specifically addresses this issue.

We have the tweets from today. They confirm the official video. You can continue to believe we don't know what the new policy is, but I'm content with the info I already have and I like it. It's pretty much identical to what's on Xbox One right on down the PS+/XBL home console sharing option. They're eerily similar, to be honest.

 

[spwolf]

I'm sad about the online requirement for the 2nd console. Gamesharing could still work if:

• Multiple sign ins are supported
• On console 2 you can play games of account X with another account while they're both online

you can game share, this is confirmed.

I wish someone would update OP with info from the video posted in the OP, so there would be no confusion from people not listening to 4 minute youtube video.

 

[Chû Totoro]

So me and my brother can share games and pay once fo rtwo systems if we make a "sharing" PSN account?

account S (sharing account) : we pay and dl everything with it
account A : I play shared games with it (plus my physical games)
account B : he plays shared games with it (plus his physical games)

is that it?

 

[cripterion]

So wait, if you have 2 PS4's in one household, you only ever need to buy one copy of a game and you'll be able to play it simultaneously on the 2 consoles?

 

[spwolf]

So me and my brother can share games and pay once fo rtwo systems if we make a "sharing" PSN account?

account S (sharing account) : we pay and dl everything with it
account A : I play shared games with it (plus my physical games)
account B : he plays shared games with it (plus his physical games)

is that it?

Nope... as I said I hope someone updates the OP.

1 purchase account
1 master console assigned by account.

- purchase account purchases games and assigns master console. Account can play any game it purchased under any console as long as it is logged in (online).

- master console can play any game purchased by purchase account. Any other account can be logged into it for playing games.

So basically for you two, it would be same functionality however one has to be using account that is used for purchases and other one will simply have their console listed as that account's master console.

 

[Chû Totoro]

Nope... as I said I hope someone updates the OP.

1 purchase account
1 master console assigned by account.

- purchase account purchases games and assigns master console. Account can play any game it purchased under any console as long as it is logged in (online).

- master console can play any game purchased by purchase account. Any other account can be logged into it for playing games.

So basically for you two, it would be same functionality however one has to be using account that is used for purchases and other one will simply have their console listed as that account's master console.

Doesn't seem that simple but it's not like I used the sharing functionnality on my PS3 a lot (maybe I did once). I was just thinking that it could be a good way to make my little brother try more games while he's not having a lot of money.

Thanks for the answer.

 

[nowheretorun]

Will this work?:-

I buy 2 PS4's - 1 for Son, 1 for Dad/Family.

I have 2 rooms - 1 Son's Bedroom, 1 Dad/Family Game Room.

Put 1 PS4 in Son's Bedroom. Put 1 PS4 in Dad/Family Game Room.

Have 1 Main 'BUYING' Account - SonnyBoy.

Have 3 Additional User Accounts - BigDaddy, SexyWifee, LittleSweetiePie.

Dad/Family Room (x1 PS4)
= 1 Main 'BUYING' Account 'SonnyBoy' User Account

= BigDaddy User Account

= SexyWifee User Account

= LittleSweetiePie User Account

= Buy PS+ and all digital games via 'SonnyBoy' ONLY onto THIS PS4.

= BigDaddy, SexyWifee, LittleSweetiePie play all games on THIS PS4, including online.

= Assuming if playing online, it will be under SonnyBoy 'with' an attached 'sub-name', such as 'SonnyBoy:BigDaddy'.

= Assuming you can play online under 'SonnyBoy:BigDaddy' whilst 'SonnyBoy' was playing online at the same time on ANY other PS4.

Son Bedroom (x1 PS4)
= SonnyBoy User Account.

= Download all digital games originally downloaded via PS4 in Dad/Family Room and play. Also use PS+ account as original purchaser as normal 'SonnyBoy', with no attached 'sub-name'.

= Plays online on this PS4 or ANY other PS4 (he goes round to his friends who has a PS4 and wants to show him a new game he's just bought, for example) he decides to play on which will include ALL games originally bought & PS+ under the 'BUYING' Account, SonnyBoy, which is in the Dad/Family Room.

= DOWNSIDE to this is that SonnyBoy cannot create other User Accounts (perhaps for friends) on his PS4 (Son Bedroom) and have them share his games & ps+ usage. They would ONLY be able to do this on the 'BUYING' Account, which is in the Dad/Family Room. In other words, it aint happening lol!


^ This final point seems to be the main reason why Sony have changed the way they are doing the share account. Sony will make more money.

- It makes it harder for randoms/friends to share games (who is gonna be the 'Buying' Account?) whilst still allowing 'a pain in the arse' part-workaround for families, including only x1 ps+ account potentially.

- It offers an advantage in that whoever is the 'BUYING' account, they can go anywhere and play their digital games including online and saving progress (yes I know we could do this in the past with memory cards, ps+ cloud save).

- It's no good if I (Dad) want to go to a friends house and share the games that I've bought (we all know the Dad's are paying for them in the first place) including online play/progress saved unless my Son isn't currently already online but even then, the save progress would be under his account 'SonnyBoy'.

= More copies of games & ps+ will need to be bought.

Personally, if my line of thinking is correct (thanks to all info by everyone input so far), then I'll be kind of grateful if this works. I'm not saying I'm over the moon about it but it at least offers some kind of workaround to only having to buy one digital copy and one ps+.

Of course, it could all be wrong :-(

However, there is no way, I would be buying 2 copies of say, KZSF for my son and I to play together - no chance. At this point, digital would be kissing my arse and a lot of physical games (if I wanted to play with my son) would be put on the back burner until they were on offer. I'm not saying it's not fair to expect if both (son & I) wanted to play the same online multiplayer game together at the same time, then we should both have a copy each - it's just that I feel if I go digital, then this is something which should be offered as an incentive to go digital in the first place. Hopefully, it will be

It's obvious if this is how it's intended then it won't work for everyone.

 

[AnimaOnline]

It makes sense really. Your main PS4 can play your entire library offline so you'd simply need to make sure you're not logged in while a friend is playing on your account.

To be honest, I can't really see this getting too much abuse outside of close friends and families. You'd need to give the other person your login details and you'd be giving up the ability to log into PSN while they're playing games which is a pretty big sacrifice.

 

[frizby]

= Assuming if playing online, it will be under SonnyBoy 'with' an attached 'sub-name', such as 'SonnyBoy:BigDaddy'.

= Assuming you can play online under 'SonnyBoy:BigDaddy' whilst 'SonnyBoy' was playing online at the same time on ANY other PS4.

However, there is no way, I would be buying 2 copies of say, KZSF for my son and I to play together - no chance. At this point, digital would be kissing my arse and a lot of physical games (if I wanted to play with my son) would be put on the back burner until they were on offer. I'm not saying it's not fair to expect if both (son & I) wanted to play the same online multiplayer game together at the same time, then we should both have a copy each - it's just that I feel if I go digital, then this is something which should be offered as an incentive to go digital in the first place. Hopefully, it will be

Almost entirely, yes.

I only left the parts you're at least partly wrong about.

No sub-accounts. If you're logged into your account, you're logged into your account

In your scenario, you can both play online, on both machines at the same time with no sub accounts.

In your scenario, a digital copy of Killzone (your example) should be playable on both machines at the same time as long as one of the two players is your son and UNLESS Sony specifically locks that specific game down in some way. The last part is possible but is also 100% speculative. They've never said they plan to do it, but they've done it with a few games on PS3.

 

[Damian.]

Good. I like having one account with my cousin. We each buy games and can play the others' games as well.

 

[mangochutney]

Holy fuck. Why is everyone reading this tweet wrong? Lol. You're all trying to twist it into what you want when the fact of the matter is game sharing with someone like on PS3 is over.

You'll have to make your primary console the one that that you won't be playing on as much, which makes it a pain in the ass because you have to be online on "your" system to play your games and we know how often the PSN servers go down for maintenance.

Normal schedule is once a month and you can still log in if you logged in at least once in the week leading up to the maintenance. So yeah, real damaging.

 

[frizby]

you can game share, this is confirmed.

I wish someone would update OP with info from the video posted in the OP, so there would be no confusion from people not listening to 4 minute youtube video.

It's really only 35 seconds of the 4 minute video...from :45 to 1:20.

 

[frizby]

Holy fuck. Why is everyone reading this tweet wrong? Lol. You're all trying to twist it into what you want when the fact of the matter is game sharing with someone like on PS3 is over.

You'll have to make your primary console the one that that you won't be playing on as much, which makes it a pain in the ass because you have to be online on "your" system to play your games and we know how often the PSN servers go down for maintenance.

Bolded part is incorrect. You can be online on any system and play your games. Also, on your system, you don't have to be online to play your games.

 

[sangreal]

Yeah, so it is basically 360's method I have to be online to sign into another console so you need internet, which is worse than how PS3 had it where I could just use one of my activated PS3's when I traveled not worrying about having to sign in online somewhere that may not have internet.

It's worse for that use case, but better for others since you have access to your content on more than 2 consoles.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

This is Microsoft level of terrible communication out of Sony, they need to clarify this simply and quickly.

 

[Khrysler Jerikho]

I wonder how this would affect people sharing content from other PSN regions.

 

[AndyD]

if im understand this "2 console" stuff correctly...this is how you SHOULD set up your gaming...someone correct me if im wrong...

- you live with another person (brother, wife, cousin, parent, husband, friend, whatever...)

- you both own PS4's and want to be able to "share" eachother's games...

- you should set up your "home" console as the one that the OTHER person is going to primarily use so that they can share any games installed on that HDD...while YOU can play them on the other PS4...and vice versa...


...the way it works on the PS3 currently...is that any game where MY PSN account is active...and i download a game...anyone on the console can play it...im getting the vibe that, that will only be the case on my "home" console this time around...and if its going to be played on a second console MY PSN account must be LOGGED IN....not just present on the console

I think this nails it. As in its more restrictive than currently (less abuse) but not for legitimate users with two machines or family members.

 

[frizby]

This is Microsoft level of terrible communication out of Sony, they need to clarify this simply and quickly.

It really isn't even remotely complicated. They explained it simply and quickly in July. The official video I posted is now in the OP and takes 35 seconds to watch.

It only gets complex if you want to manipulate it to gameshare, and even then it's hardly rocket science.

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

I'm so confused by this. I really wish they would explain the policy directly and coherently.

 

[WhoaIsThatMars]

Bolded part is incorrect. You can be online on any system and play your games. Also, on your system, you don't have to be online to play your games.

I was describing the scenario in which if you'd like to game share with someone and your account was the purchasing account

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

What I'm not understanding is WHY must the secondary console be signed in online to play? Unless that prevents the "home" console from using that account I don't see the purpose.

 

[UNCMark]

What I'm not understanding is WHY must the secondary console be signed in online to play? Unless that prevents the "home" console from using that account I don't see the purpose.

I would assume to verify the license since the game wasn't purchased on that PS4. Otherwise that account could just keep logging into PS4s, downloading purchased games, and then log off to play them.

 

[WhoaIsThatMars]

What I'm not understanding is WHY must the secondary console be signed in online to play? Unless that prevents the "home" console from using that account I don't see the purpose.

To stop you from calling up your buddy and telling them to log into your account and DL a game you just bought. Your buddy would only be able to play the game under your account on his system. Which I'm assuming most people wouldn't be comfortable doing

 

[DidntKnowJack]

Looks like some people are still confused over this despite what was pointed out on page six. :-\

Little wonder when you consider a lot of us are only on page 4.

 

[Tsundere]

What I'm not understanding is WHY must the secondary console be signed in online to play? Unless that prevents the "home" console from using that account I don't see the purpose.

Because otherwise you could install the game on an unlimited number on consoles, once you're able to reset your activations. It's common sense.

 

[Retro_]

I don't know why, but it obviously is for you since you got it all wrong even after 6 pages of discussions.

It's NOTHING like on PS3, unfortunately I might add (loved it with my brother).

•PS3 Console1 *and* PS3 Console2:
you can activate 2 consoles as License Holders where it's possible to play ANY game bought with ANY account as long as the account used to purchase Game X is present on both machines, even with the console offline.

•PS4 Console1 -holds the original purchase license:
On PS4 you can have only 1 console as the License Holder, which is where account X has made the original purchase and DL the game for the first time: on that console, every account present (you, brother, gf...) can play the game, both online while signed in on their own accounts or even offline.

•PS4 Console2 -doesn't hold the original purchase license:
Account X can also sign online to DL and play the Game on a different console. *BUT* only Account X will be able to play his Game/s on a different console (which doesn't hold the original purchase license).
It's unclear atm if Account X will need to be signed in *online* or if being signed in while offline will be enough.

This is my understanding of the situation.

Prevents sharing outside of the same household

only thing that seems kind of shaky to me the console of original purchase being the license holder. I think it might just be what console you have tied to your account as "main" or something. Otherwise things get weird if you make purchases on other consoles or try to buy a new one.

What I'm not understanding is WHY must the secondary console be signed in online to play? Unless that prevents the "home" console from using that account I don't see the purpose.

Kills game sharing from this gen, where people were sharing accounts to download games, then just playing them on their regular accounts, while preserving the original intent of the system; to be able to play your games on other systems away from home.

Here they're explaining another "exploit" to someone to allow his wife and himself to play the same game on the same liscense. but it only really works within the same household.(unless you create a psn solely to lend out to people.)

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

Ok that makes sense but I'm still confused. Say my son and I (same house) are both on the same account at the same time on 2 different consoles. How would it possibly save game progress and such seeing as you'd both be on the same account...either I'm just not grasping how this works or it doesn't work like some people are saying.

 

[Retro_]

Ok that makes sense but I'm still confused. Say my friend and I are both on the same account at the same time on 2 different consoles. How would it possibly save game progress and such seeing as you'd both be on the same account...either I'm just not grasping how this works or it doesn't work like some people are saying.

To my understanding they aren't playing on the same account.

The account owner is playing on his account remotely, while his wife is playing games tied to his account on his home system through her account. Since all games are playable across all profiles on the home system of that account.

So they aren't playing on the same account, but using the same license to play the same game at the same time.

To put it more clearly:

I buy SF4 on my account. I go to a friend's. I log into my account on his PS4, download SF4 on his system and play SF4 there.

While I'm playing, my girlfriend at my house boots up my PS4 and logs into her account. She boots up SF4 which is already installed on the console so she can see it in the games section of her profile.

No conflict.

When I log off my account on my friend's system though, he probably still sees SF4 in his games tab. but he will be locked out of booting it until he buys his own license or logs back in to my account.

 

[BiggStankDogg]

This is my understanding of the situation.

Prevents sharing outside of the same household

only thing that seems kind of shaky to me the console of original purchase being the license holder. I think it might just be what console you have tied to your account as "main" or something. Otherwise things get weird if you make purchases on other consoles or try to buy a new one.



Kills game sharing from this gen, where people were sharing accounts to download games, then just playing them on their regular accounts, while preserving the original intent of the system; to be able to play your games on other systems away from home.

Here they're explaining another "exploit" to someone to allow his wife and himself to play the same game on the same liscense. but it only really works within the same household.(unless you create a psn solely to lend out to people.)

Yeah, this is how I'm understanding it.

 

[Faddy]

So the easiest way to share the cost of next gen is to partner up with someone and share access to accounts.

Person A buys content on account A on PS4 A but plays on account B
Person B buys content on account B on PS4 B but plays on account A

The question I have is can you buy content when not on your primary PS4 and is that then available to all accounts on your PS4 despite being purchased on another machine.

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

To my understanding they aren't playing on the same account.

The account owner is playing on his account remotely, while his wife is playing games tied to his account on his home system through her account. Since all games are playable across all profiles on the home system of that account.

So they aren't playing on the same account, but using the same license to play the same game at the same time.

Ah thanks I think I get it all now.

 

[AndyD]

The question I have is can you buy content when not on your primary PS4 and is that then available to all accounts on your PS4 despite being purchased on another machine.

Considering you can buy on the web or through the upcoming app, i don't think that is a concern. Buying does not need to happen on the home machine. You can freely designate which machine is the home machine.

 

[jim2011]

Isn't this just exactly the same as Microsoft's 360 digital content implementation?

 

[UNCMark]

Isn't this just exactly the same as Microsoft's 360 digital content implementation?

Almost. Main difference being there's no "home" system on 360. Whatever 360 you buy a game for becomes the "home" system for that game. PS4's method is far more restrictive. And likewise so is the Xbox One's (appears to be identical to PS4's).

 

[Retro_]

So the easiest way to share the cost of next gen is to partner up with someone and share access to accounts.

Person A buys content on account A on PS4 A but plays on account B
Person B buys content on account B on PS4 B but plays on account A
.

I don't see the benefits of this.

I mean I get the logic if you coordinate purchases, you'd hypothetically spend half as much

but realistically I mean who is going to coordinate that with someone they don't live with? and this requires ALOT of trust as you don't own the account you're investing all of your digital purchases into. You're buying for them and they're buying for you basically.

 

[Zoe]

It's disappointing there isn't as much leeway as with the PS3, but this probably won't affect me in the long run anyway.

I just hope they were smart enough to decouple the game download from the license so you wouldn't have to download it multiple times on one system.

 

[AndyD]

I don't see the benefits of this.

I mean I get the logic if you coordinate purchases, you'd hypothetically spend half as much

but realistically I mean who is going to coordinate that with someone they don't live with? and this requires ALOT of trust as you don't own the account you're investing all of your digital purchases into. You're buying for them and they're buying for you basically.

Not really that bad. Yes you have to trust each other, but that's the point, do it with family or a close friend.

And you would still make purchases on your own account, it's just that the account would be also connected to a "remote" machine that is designated as the home for the account.

I think it is more restrictive than PS3 but with every game also coming digitally, the stakes are a lot higher than with the PSN games, so it makes perfect sense. Gamesharing full $60 games can bring both higher savings for us and higher losses for the developers.

I for one am very glad we at least have some arrangement to play remotely as my family tends to all have PS consoles, so visiting should be nice to show off games.

 

[nowheretorun]

Almost entirely, yes.

I only left the parts you're at least partly wrong about.

No sub-accounts. If you're logged into your account, you're logged into your account

In your scenario, you can both play online, on both machines at the same time with no sub accounts.

In your scenario, a digital copy of Killzone (your example) should be playable on both machines at the same time as long as one of the two players is your son and UNLESS Sony specifically locks that specific game down in some way. The last part is possible but is also 100% speculative. They've never said they plan to do it, but they've done it with a few games on PS3.

Thanks.

So if 2 people are playing on the same account and there are no sub accounts, what would both be called? SonnyBoy is online as SonnyBoy as he is the 'BUYING' Account and PS+ is registered to him. What would BigDaddy be online as? Surely it can't be SonnyBoy? I think I get it as you're saying that it knows I am another account on the 'Buying' machine/another user on SonnyBoy's machine and therefore it would just automatically allow me online as another user, therefore, as BigDaddy and no actual sub-account.

Also are you saying that I could only be online (BigDaddy) and play Killzone IF my son (SonnyBoy) is playing that game online at the same time?

 

[Retro_]

Not really that bad. Yes you have to trust each other, but that's the point, do it with family or a close friend.

And you would still make purchases on your own account, it's just that the account would be also connected to a "remote" machine that is designated as the home for the account.

I think it is more restrictive than PS3 but with every game also coming digitally, the stakes are a lot higher than with the PSN games, so it makes perfect sense. Gamesharing full $60 games can bring both higher savings for us and higher losses for the developers.

I for one am very glad we at least have some arrangement to play remotely as my family tends to all have PS consoles, so visiting should be nice to show off games.

Youd be splitting your saves and your purchases is my point though. Their saves would be on the account you're buying for and vice versa

 

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