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Animated PNG - A tutorial for lossless comparisons (Death to the GIF!)

EVIL

Member
Meanwhile my gifs look like this

untitled_306_by_dennisk4-d6safm6.gif

stutterfest you mean
 

Timeless

Member
Why not use WebP? Although...

I tried to use WebP and convert some existing animated GIFs, but the command line tool that Google provided always created broken, non-functional WebP files.
 

Totobeni

An blind dancing ho
(Death to the GIF!)

getting longer animated clips using APNG will give you huge ass files, now imagine something like SunhiLegend long gif but made by APNG, yeah that will be a nightmare. GIF still the way to go for longer clips, this thing should stay for screenshot comparisons only.
 
And this thread is exactly why APNG will not be dethroning GIF for a long time.

I don't even get the comparison ("death to the GIF!"), as none of the examples in OP seem to be animated. Maybe he meant death to the JPEG? They're just those things you see on every website for platform comparisons of games.
 

alr1ght

bish gets all the credit :)
I don't even get the comparison ("death to the GIF!"), as none of the examples in OP seem to be animated. Maybe he meant death to the JPEG? They're just those things you see on every website for platform comparisons of games.

People have been using dithered 256 color gifs to compare platform differences, which obviously doesn't work out well quality wise.
 

Spasm

Member
Thanks for the tut. I've always been APNG-curious.

Just tried it on a GIF I made yesterday, and this was a fun exercise.

640x360 150 frames 30fps
255 color dithered GIF is 11.9MB.
Lossless APNG is 24.9MB.

APNG looks better, without a doubt... But not 13MB better, imo.
 

alr1ght

bish gets all the credit :)
APNG looks better, without a doubt... But not 13MB better, imo.

It's obviously not going to take over gif for everyday uses, but for the flood of comparison threads to come we shouldn't be using super lossy compression to compare.
 

Alo81

Low Poly Gynecologist
It's obviously not going to take over gif for everyday uses, but for the flood of comparison threads to come we shouldn't be using super lossy compression to compare.

Honestly, as it stands, I think the best example for comparison is to just post two images and people can open them in a seperate tab and switch back and forth to compare.

Until APNG is completely adopted in firefox and chrome, it's not really viable.
 

Schrade

Member
Honestly, as it stands, I think the best example for comparison is to just post two images and people can open them in a seperate tab and switch back and forth to compare.

Until APNG is completely adopted in firefox and chrome, it's not really viable.

Wut? Firefox was one of the first browsers (if not THE first) to support APNG.

It's been there for quite a long time. ROFL. Just checked.. been there in trunk builds since March 23, 2007.
 
People have been using dithered 256 color gifs to compare platform differences, which obviously doesn't work out well quality wise.

Oh now I get it, my bad. This thread is about platform comparisons exclusively, not about death to the general use of GIFs. I've really mostly encountered PNGs as used for comparisons, not GIFs. Keep it up.
 

Alo81

Low Poly Gynecologist
Wut? Firefox was one of the first browsers (if not THE first) to support APNG.

It's been there for quite a long time. ROFL. Just checked.. been there in trunk builds since March 23, 2007.

Sorry, I guess the proper way for me to say it would have been "Until it's implemented in the most popular browsers". I know it's implemented in Firefox, but people don't post them because users on Chrome most likely won't be able to view them.
 
the resogun gif i made was 45mb big or sth.
it looks like it would be over a 100mb with apng.

the ideal solution would be totally new file extension.
 

mitchman

Gold Member
Curious tidbit: Opera 12.x and lower has native support for APNG, mainly implemented to be able to do high quality animations in the UI (spinners and such), but as a side effect also works fine on web pages.

The future of APNG is bleak, though. Chrome won't implement it (webp animated is happening, though), the PNG group is not interested, and it's unlikely it will be implemented in future Opera versions (those based on Chromium's content layer+blink). IE won't have it either, Safari heh.
 

-SD-

Banned
Animated PNG is obviously superior to an animated GIF, but particularly so in animations that have lots of color gradients.

Here's a couple of such examples of mine.

ibcnVRUEf4mYE6.png


i3CA0yQY3m63k.png
 

Spasm

Member
Animated PNG is obviously superior to an animated GIF, but particularly so in animations that have lots of color gradients.

Another advantage of APNG is for 60 FPS games. GIF can do 50 and 100 fps, but nothing in between. I'm working on a 60fps APNG right now. lol
 

Keyouta

Junior Member
Animated PNG is obviously superior to an animated GIF, but particularly so in animations that have lots of color gradients.

Here's a couple of such examples of mine.

http://i1.minus.com/ibcnVRUEf4mYE6.png[IMG]

[IMG]http://i5.minus.com/i3CA0yQY3m63k.png[IMG][/QUOTE]

Smooth
 

Schrade

Member
Sorry, I guess the proper way for me to say it would have been "Until it's implemented in the most popular browsers". I know it's implemented in Firefox, but people don't post them because users on Chrome most likely won't be able to view them.

Chrome users can just install an extension to enable support for them. What's the problem?

I can't imagine why anyone would use Chrome in a GIF heavy thread on NeoGAF anyhow. Firefox is the superior experience there. (And everywhere else, for me...)
 

Marc

Member
Definitely interested, is there a video to APNG converter out there as it would make creating animations a lot quicker to export a photoshop animation to video then APNG.

Still, dat file size. Poor guys with crappy broadband miss out, the counterpoint to that would be... deal with it.
 

Brokun

Member
Animated PNG is obviously superior to an animated GIF, but particularly so in animations that have lots of color gradients.

Here's a couple of such examples of mine.

ibcnVRUEf4mYE6.png


i3CA0yQY3m63k.png

vhn.gif


Beautiful.

I don't know why but the APNGs in the OP just slideshow between two different images.
 

honorless

We don't have "get out of jail free" cards, but if we did, she'd have one.
Still, dat file size. Poor guys with crappy broadband miss out, the counterpoint to that would be... deal with it.
Return of the "56k bandwidth cap warning" thread subtitle.
 
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