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NCL suspends image sharing in Swap Note and Flipnote [Spot pass Notes disabled]

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^ This is great.

I don't know who is making these decisions at Nintendo but they need to wake up to the way the world works. Nobody creates as many expertly-crafted joy-filled experiences as Nintendo and they deserve a place in the industry for that impact but this archaic viewpoint on communication between others is seriously handicapping their growth. Whether it's being a figurative overbearing parent or refusing to believe that any fun can be had by playing games with people who aren't in the same room with you they need to embrace the POSITIVE experiences that are generated through online communication and stop taking their ball home every time some asshat draws a dick.

The fact that they made a stand on a service that REQUIRES you to add someone as a friend prior to being able to receive messages from them only furthers how spineless or uneducated the people involved are. Parents start parenting, Nintendo.... I don't even know.
 

Roto13

Member
Wait, what's this about Flip Note?
Yup, I found it odd that it already had "Service is over" messages built in and greyed out options.

It sounds as if they had intention to kill it eventually.

Of course they did. Did you think they planned to support it until the end of time?
 

Grizzo

Member
This is such a ridiculously dumb and over reactive action to take. I mean, Nintendo has done some baffling things when it comes to online, but this is borderline mental.

How about making users actually take responsibility instead of punishing EVERY single 3DS owner out there.

I'm really, really mad about this, as Swapnote was something I loved about the system.

So much this. I swear Nintendo still seem to have no clues about how the whole "internet" thing works. They're so stubborn. I always was a Nintendo fan but lately it's been getting pretty hard to support them.
 
One of my fondest 3DS memories is drawing a picture of Wiz Khalifa's face and sending it to everyone on my 3DS friends list, repeatedly. The dream is over.
 
This is dumb, I remember when they didn't even have this feature when the 3DS came out.

Then again, me and my friend are totally guilty of drawing porn and sending it to each other all summer.
 

BGBW

Maturity, bitches.
Wait, what's this about Flip Note?
Well if I recall their were two ways to share right, the free way which was only between friends and the premium option which was to share it with everyone (like the DSi version).

So basically if they've shutdown the sharing with friends option they're basically forcing you to pay if you want to share your creations. :/
 

Tyeforce

Member
Have there been any Miiverse protests organized regarding this yet? Because if there haven't been, there should be.
 
I've come to accept that for Nintendo to change their stance, policy, and online technology; there needs to be new executive management.

People like Miyamoto just do not see the value in online, and concern themselves with the hypothetical issues that in realitiy do not matter.
 

Elija2

Member
Well if I recall their were two ways to share right, the free way which was only between friends and the premium option which was to share it with everyone (like the DSi version).

So basically if they've shutdown the sharing with friends option they're basically forcing you to pay if you want to share your creations. :/

So now people can't share their sex Flipnotes with only their friends and have to share them with everyone? How is that better for kids? Or do they moderate the ones that everyone can see?

I gotta imagine there's a big backlash about that in Japan. They've essentially turned a free app into one you have to pay for with no prior warning.
 

Memino

Banned
Nintendo need a big kick up their backside. The stuff that's coming out of them recently is so strange, I still remember the 18+ content restriction at certain times on the eshop, the way they deal with these issues is not right. They also rarely listen to requests like region locking and account system, but we have to put up with it because their games are top quality. Maybe the wii u sales will give them a reality check.
 

Dryk

Member
Then: Swap friend codes on a message board and Swapnote your dick

Now: Use the 3DS camera to take a photo of your dick, get it off the SD Card and upload to the same message board

What have you even changed Nintendo?
 

Chindogg

Member
I've come to accept that for Nintendo to change their stance, policy, and online technology; there needs to be new executive management.

People like Miyamoto just do not see the value in online, and concern themselves with the hypothetical issues that in realitiy do not matter.

How does playing online have anything to do with keeping idiots from taking dick pics and broadcasting them to children?

DragonSworne gonna DragonSworne I guess.
 

Tyeforce

Member
Let me know where to protest and I'll be there.
I suppose the best place would be the YouTube Community, since there's no Swapnote or general 3DS community, and the YouTube Community is kind of the unofficial off topic community. I've seen a few other people post about the whole Swapnote issue there, and I have as well.

Here's the post I quickly made the other day. I plan to post more, too.
 
I hear people write dirty fanfics about video games. Some people even draw dirty story based on games. Nintendo, get on this filth! Kids might see it! Nintendo should stop making games so this is no longer possible.
 
I'm starting to realize that a company that would make such a "scorched earth" decision, as it was referred to above, can hardly be expected to be competent enough to institute the kind of online features we've been suspecting were on their way. If you can't manage photo exchange at a level you are comfortable with how are you ever going to develop a unified account system that is functional in the ways we would expect it to be? It's never coming.

My GF and I used to send sporadic messages over SwapNote as a nice surprise pick-me-up during our days and I already miss that functionality. Text messages are fine but the novelty to having a picture drawn out before you was a neat niche experience.

I'm not sure if it's the upper level management or the fact that Nintendo must have horrendous lawyers if they're unable to effectively argue against claims that the parental locks and friend code system already in place isn't an acceptable level of protection against the issues they claim are happening.

I just can't believe this is happening in 2013.
 

RagnarokX

Member
I'm starting to realize that a company that would make such a "scorched earth" decision, as it was referred to above, can hardly be expected to be competent enough to institute the kind of online features we've been suspecting were on their way. If you can't manage photo exchange at a level you are comfortable with how are you ever going to develop a unified account system that is functional in the ways we would expect it to be? It's never coming.

My GF and I used to send sporadic messages over SwapNote as a nice surprise pick-me-up during our days and I already miss that functionality. Text messages are fine but the novelty to having a picture drawn out before you was a neat niche experience.

I'm not sure if it's the upper level management or the fact that Nintendo must have horrendous lawyers if they're unable to effectively argue against claims that the parental locks and friend code system already in place isn't an acceptable level of protection against the issues they claim are happening.

I just can't believe this is happening in 2013.

The only thing that makes sense is that Pokemon XY caused a surge in kids sharing friend codes online and one or more of them got some bad swap notes as a result. Spot pass would have to be suspended until they could work out a solution, most likely moderation. It was amazing Nintendo was allowing such a largely unmoderated message sharing app in 2013 where their competitor's apps are censored to hell.
 

Kai Dracon

Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Wait, they don't like people sharing friend codes on forums either?

I've never understood this. Posting your FC causes no harm if you don't agree to add someone else's FC to your system in return. What am I missing?

I believe Nintendo of America shut down their official forums over it back when the first DS games that required friend code exchange appeared.

Nintendo tries very hard to promote the image of children being 100% safe from the wild Internet when using a Nintendo product. Their idealized scenario involves a child going up to a parent, asking politely if they may be given the friend code of their playmate from next door, and the parent dutifully talking to their neighbor to set up this harmless bit of fun for both kids.

Were it that easy, and if only parents would actually doing their job of parenting rather than not caring until there's a problem - then run screaming to companies and the media about Little Jimmy getting dickporn on his internet device.

But Nintendo is also kind of delusional about their ability to control this and too afraid of dealing with the PR repercussions. The fact that Miiverse exists indicates they know these kinds of communication capabilities are required and they've no choice but to get with the times. But they're trying their best to have it all happen strictly on their terms, covering their ass at the expense of greatly inconveniencing their users during times like this.

It is for example a reason why I feel they're dragging their feet on industry standard digital software accounts. Many think they're just stupid and Iwata can't find the app store on his iPhone. I think it's nothing like that and they know exactly what they're doing. They're terrified of Little Jimmy being socially engineered and giving his Nintendo account password to his friends, who proceed to log in, steal his account, and buy a thousand bucks worth of digital games. They don't want to deal with that PR problem and customer service load.
 

qq more

Member
I've come to accept that for Nintendo to change their stance, policy, and online technology; there needs to be new executive management.

People like Miyamoto just do not see the value in online, and concern themselves with the hypothetical issues that in realitiy do not matter.

What the fuck does Miyamoto have to do with any of this?

Jesus Christ, even when we're all upset at Nintendo, you somehow manage to say something ridiculous.
 

RedSwirl

Junior Member
I believe Nintendo of America shut down their official forums over it back when the first DS games that required friend code exchange appeared.

Nintendo tries very hard to promote the image of children being 100% safe from the wild Internet when using a Nintendo product. Their idealized scenario involves a child going up to a parent, asking politely if they may be given the friend code of their playmate from next door, and the parent dutifully talking to their neighbor to set up this harmless bit of fun for both kids.

Were it that easy, and if only parents would actually doing their job of parenting rather than not caring until there's a problem - then run screaming to companies and the media about Little Jimmy getting dickporn on his internet device.

But Nintendo is also kind of delusional about their ability to control this and too afraid of dealing with the PR repercussions. The fact that Miiverse exists indicates they know these kinds of communication capabilities are required and they've no choice but to get with the times. But they're trying their best to have it all happen strictly on their terms, covering their ass at the expense of greatly inconveniencing their users during times like this.

It is for example a reason why I feel they're dragging their feet on industry standard digital software accounts. Many think they're just stupid and Iwata can't find the app store on his iPhone. I think it's nothing like that and they know exactly what they're doing. They're terrified of Little Jimmy being socially engineered and giving his Nintendo account password to his friends, who proceed to log in, steal his account, and buy a thousand bucks worth of digital games. They don't want to deal with that PR problem and customer service load.

I think Nintendo would like customers to look at their Friend Code more like their phone number -- you only give it to people you actually trust, not random dudes online.

As for accounts, I think Nintendo needs to realize customers are used to this crap by now. Issues with account systems aren't anything new for tech companies anymore, and they won't cost them any more mindshare than any other companies might unless they have a massive fuckup. Like, the PlayStation hack x 2 massive.

Maybe Nintendo still wants to be seen as above other companies in terms of craftsmanship -- a Ford over Ferrari kind of thing, but there comes a point where you really do have to get with the times.
 

Bob White

Member
I want to buy a Wii U and 3ds, but it's shit like this that tells me, "dont give this company money until they change their ways". Like, this decision is absolutely insane. Just nuke the service as soon as something challenging pops up? Absolute madness from a "modern" tech company in 2013.
 

RagnarokX

Member
Looks like its a parenting problem and not a Nintendo problem to me.
Of course it is, but Nintendo can't just tell parents that it's their responsibility. Parents don't want responsibility!

But seriously, when DS came out with Pictochat the news jumped on stories about how pedophiles would use it to chat with kids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B7nXuSfvZ4

Nintendo isn't in a position to argue right now; they need to pander to parents this Holiday more than ever.

I want to buy a Wii U and 3ds, but it's shit like this that tells me, "dont give this company money until they change their ways". Like, this decision is absolutely insane. Just nuke the service as soon as something challenging pops up? Absolute madness from a "modern" tech company in 2013.

Miiverse is already appropriately moderated AND community-based wherein you can send messages that can be seen by everyone, not just friends, and you can't send photographs. Unfortunately, if inappropriate stuff was happening with swapnote I think their only option was to suspend service until they could figure out a solution. It was too modern for 2013, I guess.
 

axisofweevils

Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Apparently, Nintendo sent out an email to 3DS owners saying that Swapnote won't be removed. Anyone received it?
 

dan2026

Member
I love how Nintendo have decided to police what I should be able to do.

Seriously who cares if kids are sharing naughty pictures with each other?
Kids will be kids, its all about growing up.
 

Tripon

Member
I love how Nintendo have decided to police what I should be able to do.

Seriously who cares if kids are sharing naughty pictures with each other?
Kids will be kids, its all about growing up.

Their parents care.

More importantly, they remember the days when they would get called up to Congress and have to speak and represent for an entire industry about violence in video games.

They certainly don't want to do it again for sex, or pornography without some evidence that they're doing something about it.
 

Mr-Joker

Banned
Then: Swap friend codes on a message board and Swapnote your dick

Now: Use the 3DS camera to take a photo of your dick, get it off the SD Card and upload to the same message board

What have you even changed Nintendo?

Nintendo not getting to trouble with Parents.

I love how Nintendo have decided to police what I should be able to do.

Seriously who cares if kids are sharing naughty pictures with each other?
Kids will be kids, its all about growing up.

You're looking at it from your point of view,

Kids are young and don't know any better what if they accept a pedophile friend code and they get a child to share their private part to them.

Nintendo simply couldn't take the risk and hence the shut down of the service and I am sure that it will be back up once Nintendo figure out how to avoid this mess again.

Furthermore I wouldn't want my Child sharing or getting naughty pictures.
 

Fehyd

Banned
I know one of the age-old arguments for Nintendo haters has always been that they make "kiddie consoles" or the like, or that they're aimed at children, and while that's might not be true, I just sigh when Nintendo does something like this, effectively saying "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" and screwing over their older userbase. While its perfectly within their right to do so, its also perfectly within a person's right to not buy their systems, and that's a road the big N probably shouldn't want to travel down at this juncture.

Nintendo really are their own worst enemy.
 

PhantomR

Banned
I love how Nintendo have decided to police what I should be able to do.

Seriously who cares if kids are sharing naughty pictures with each other?
Kids will be kids, its all about growing up.

Parents care, and as a result Nintendo's lawyers care. They're not trying to make them vulnerable to litigation.
 

dan2026

Member
Furthermore I wouldn't want my Child sharing or getting naughty pictures.

a) The 3DS has parental controls does it not?
Any responsible parent should be monitoring what their kid is watching and playing anyway.

b) Kids will gravitate to 'naughty' stuff just because they know they shouldn't be looking for it. I did and I'm sure you did as well. You can't stop them completely and it probably wouldn't be healthy to do so anyway.

The only people who this is really hurting are the adults. Kids will just go elsewhere for their stuff.

c) Nintendo is dumb and ridiculously reactionary.
 

Mr-Joker

Banned
a) The 3DS has parental controls does it not?
Any responsible parent should be monitoring what their kid is watching and playing anyway.

That's the problem Parents are stupid and some properly aren't good with technology.

They aren't going to see it that it's there responsibly nor are they going to be able to monitor them 24/7.

c) Nintendo is dumb and ridiculously reactionary.

Not really, they managed to avoid getting bad press with parent and getting sued.
 

Iorv3th

Member
Parents care, and as a result Nintendo's lawyers care. They're not trying to make them vulnerable to litigation.

You mean the same parents that buy their kids iphones/ipads and let them have facebook accounts etc. when they are that young?

Nintendo wouldn't be vulnerable to anything legal if they just posted some disclaimer when you sign into it or something. Plus why is it that no other company that allows this same sort of feature has ever pulled the service down because of this? Microsoft wasn't shutting UNO down when kids where showing their dicks on camera, they just banned the accounts.
 
Just found out about this when checking notifications. Pretty crazy, and it makes the application feel a little gross now, since most users will only be receiving marketing blasts from Nintendo.
 
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