Clockwork5
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Xbox One practically unusable without day one update
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Zoe
Member
Why would you want to play multiplayer if you don't have internet?
Not to bang a drum for MS, especially since this amounts to shipping a product which doesn't work at all - generally phones will allow you to do some stuff prior to full initialisation - but remember the following:
MS does 'patch Tuesday' once a week. This is where the send out a patch for new 'features' (security hole plugs generally) to all internet connected Windows. They are often quite large.
There are an estimated 500 million XP users out there, so even if 1% of them download said patch at once that's 5 million people.
At best XBone is looking at 1/5th of that total.
So I don't think server access is going to be an issue.
Buying a console that doesn't work, with a patch that may or may not brick consoles (my take on Buttock's 'Too big to speak off, wait until launch' comment) - that's the issue.
MS does 'patch Tuesday' once a week. This is where the send out a patch for new 'features' (security hole plugs generally) to all internet connected Windows. They are often quite large.
There are an estimated 500 million XP users out there, so even if 1% of them download said patch at once that's 5 million people.
At best XBone is looking at 1/5th of that total.
So I don't think server access is going to be an issue.
Buying a console that doesn't work, with a patch that may or may not brick consoles (my take on Buttock's 'Too big to speak off, wait until launch' comment) - that's the issue.
Maninthemirror
Banned
Did you skip my retraction on page 2?
Yes. Especially if they servers are slow/busy/down, which is almost a guarantee.
I can play a game while I install the update.
Mass Effect
Member
I see this is a hopeless venture. Carry on then.
boredandlazy
Member
Simple questions. Why do you buy a mobile phone? And why do you buy a games console? Which one inherently requires a network to perform its function?
Cow Goes Moo
Member
what games require an update before playing them?
I think the fact that the XBone is a total brick without the day one update is new.
I'm a bit baffled that they could not even release it with a simple ELF loader. I mean, yes, the 180 fucked them up good, and the rumours about getting caught flat-footedly by Sony might be true, but not including even the most basic functionality? That's harsh, man. I pity the retail and customer support drones that will have to brave this shitstorm. Poor fuckers.
I'm a bit baffled that they could not even release it with a simple ELF loader. I mean, yes, the 180 fucked them up good, and the rumours about getting caught flat-footedly by Sony might be true, but not including even the most basic functionality? That's harsh, man. I pity the retail and customer support drones that will have to brave this shitstorm. Poor fuckers.
D Bo Chops
Member
Your splitting hairs... when I specifically said "lets not split hairs".
PS4:
* 300mb update
* You can play single player without updating
* You can download the update in the background, while PLAYING games.
Source: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/30/ps4-the-ultimate-faq-north-america/
Search: Will PS4 require a system software update at launch in North America?
* 300mb update
* You can play single player without updating
* You can download the update in the background, while PLAYING games.
Source: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/30/ps4-the-ultimate-faq-north-america/
Search: Will PS4 require a system software update at launch in North America?
Clockwork5
Member
You are right they are different,. I actually missed some calls while it was being set up. There was actually an issue.
fuzzyreactor
Banned
I f you can't get access to internet for one day, perhaps you shouldn't be spending $500+ on games
MightyHedgehog
Member
Basically anything that goes online. I don't foresee a whole lot of offline, single-player campaign people making up the majority of buyers at launch. I mean, the biggest titles this year for next-gen will be the ones everyone knows, like CoD/BF4/Madden/NBA games/FIFA. Even the exclusive launch titles are pretty focused on online play and functionality. What about using all of those hyped up social features, like video sharing?
I love all the defending of MS's fuckups by saying the PS4 has a day 1 as well.
Here is the point; The PS4 (as far as we know) functions as a game console without that day 1 patch. Even more importantly it can download the update in the background while your using it to actually play a game.
Here is the point; The PS4 (as far as we know) functions as a game console without that day 1 patch. Even more importantly it can download the update in the background while your using it to actually play a game.
gamechanger87
Member
Does anyone in here really think that it would be economically feasible for a company to ship a million discs overnight to thousands of locations?
Take a look at the prices of overnighting a letter. $25 - $50 at a minimum. MS and Sony are shipping their products to the distribution centers so their retail partners take care of the logistics.
Sometimes I doubt whether people understand supply chains.
Clockwork5
Member
I buy a game console for many reasons. Almost all include the internet...
The only time games required an update on PS3 was when you wanted to go to online multiplayer. Which wouldn't be an issue in this case since you'd be online.
boredandlazy
Member
Overnight? They have weeks.
dragonelite
Member
Nothing to sweat about tbh..
boredandlazy
Member
You /= everyone.
That is disturbing.
A day one required patch just to enable the one thing these consoles have *always* been able to do straight out of the box, is a major line crossed. With respect for the growing complexity of consoles and the increasing impact on OS services, there still needs to be a baseline functionality that should be able to work without a friggin' network connection, from day 1. I don't think that's too much to ask, given how they've managed to do that just fine for 8 generations or so.
gamechanger87
Member
OS isn't finalized. They have said they are working on it until launch. The UI video from today was from the 11/1 beta build.
Ludicrous Speed
Banned
OMG, the humanity!! You can't do anything, and it may or may not take a long time before you can! Preorder canceled! That indeterminate amount of time where I can't do anything is a deal breaker!
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Go to bed Adam Orth.
To be fair I won't be doing shit on my PS4 until it's updated. I am not going to take the chance something doesn't go right because I'm playing Killzone and the update is running in the background.
Confidence Man
Member
I imagine places like Best Buy are going to make a killing.
Only $49.99 for in-store update!*
*Cannot use console without update.
Only $49.99 for in-store update!*
*Cannot use console without update.
BRocknRolla
Member
Yeah, this has been known. No more mandatory internet connection, but a mandatory internet connection is required for setup. I still bet there will be a lot of folks who are very surprised when they bring it home. (Maybe not if they're early adopters.)
how economically feasible is it to have 1 million people downloading 1gb+ off your servers at the same time?
How about they let stores download the update and burn their own copies? Each store would only need a couple dozen copies.
boredandlazy
Member
They don't need a finalized update. They just need something that would enable basic functionality.
Ludicrous Speed
Banned
I'd imagine a large percentage of future Xbox One owners fall into that same category. There is a reason why Xbox Live is so huge. They all have this magical internet thing!
KennyLinder
Member
Could I ask..
What is everyone's home internet speed here?
What is everyone's home internet speed here?
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
Anyone without an internet connection is boned, actually.
Ludicrous Speed
Banned
It's so sad that these poor gamers will have to wait an indeterminate amount of time before they can play their games.
Clockwork5
Member
Have to download a patch day one? But Daddy, I want it NOW!!!!!
Priceless.
boredandlazy
Member
Large percentage /= everyone.
The MS guy is correct - the more Kinect2 hears your voice the better it will get at recognising your commands.
This is a pretty common thing with voice-driven stuff - most talk-to-type software takes a while before it can accurately parse some words (especially if the speaker has an accent).
What I don't get is this: Why not use a box that's already been trained with the voice of the bod doing the presentation? Would be able to avoid this kind of thing completely.
It's almost mind-blowing that MS can even be allowed to ship a product that does not actually work out of the box, even as a traditional game console. I'm sure its been mentioned but it's crazy they couldn't at least have it ship with an OS that can at least play a game, its most basic purpose.
I also am disappointed that Sony can't get their shit together either, but again, at least when I unbox the PS4 and hook it up, I can play a game.
What is wrong with him saying that? If you can't get access to the internet how are you able to afford a new console?