Wow tone your shit down. You act like Internet connections are stable worldwide. How is it living in that bubble? Care to point me towards some research on being closed minded?
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Brand new Xbox One will not even boot if you dont have internet connection
- Thread starter DieH@rd
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Wow tone your shit down. You act like Internet connections are stable worldwide. How is it living in that bubble? Care to point me towards some research on being closed minded?
jordan0386
Member
Even if you are not getting one, day one or year one. Everybody who got one will tell you that you need to be online to use it at first.
There is no way, if interested in X1, to not know that you need online access for the machine after Nov. 22nd. It wont be humanly possible.
There is no way, if interested in X1, to not know that you need online access for the machine after Nov. 22nd. It wont be humanly possible.
Marty Chinn
Member
How does pointing out that the consumer should be responsible with their money somehow automatically mean that Microsoft didn't make a bad decision or product? You can have both be true.
FaintColt388301
Member
I was on the side of even though the majority well be fine it sucks for those that aren't informed because MS is all over the place and a typical parent wouldn't find this info but Google Xbox One. The top result says can't play games without day one patch. Even if they didn't know what patch meant and decided this sounds bad "can't play games" they'd see they need internet. It's not too hard for them th find out if they just put some time in to look which they should be doing for that much money
But still even if .1% people have this problem that's still a thousand people. I just don't like seeing people who are happy with their purchase or doing something nice get burned. A sticker on the box and a retailer disclaimer would be nice
Both sides of the argument are fair
Edit: They should really do the whole have it put the update on a disc thing. They need to step up and do what they have to in order to right their wrong. It should be that hard to do
But still even if .1% people have this problem that's still a thousand people. I just don't like seeing people who are happy with their purchase or doing something nice get burned. A sticker on the box and a retailer disclaimer would be nice
Both sides of the argument are fair
Edit: They should really do the whole have it put the update on a disc thing. They need to step up and do what they have to in order to right their wrong. It should be that hard to do
But what if it's a country with poor or no internet connection? Then it's not their fault.
What? Do we tell them to move to another country too?
They'll have the update pre-installed for X1s they produce later. They would be stupid not to.
On the contrary, the headline on Dec 26th will be the stampede to return the box that made little Johnny cry on Christmas Morning because it "wouldn't work". I guarantee it.
I literally have no interest in answering this, considering you have shoved those words in my mouth.
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
Doubtful.
Marty Chinn
Member
I didn't say it was their fault for not having a good Internet connection or Internet at all. I'm saying it's their fault for buying a product they didn't understand. By no means am I advocating that Microsoft is in the right to require a connection. I'm saying people should also be responsible with their money, especially when it's a large amount of it.
Serious question, because I stopped in depth following or have just forgotten, but what countries that don't have Internet readily available are going to be getting this console before MS has the time to install the patch themselves?
Phat Michael
Banned
I agree and ive made this post loads of times - each time large amounts of users come down on me and tell me im being elitist.
No. The fact is, if you can afford the disposable income loss of a $500 console, then you can afford to have internet simple. Or you know someone with access to the internet so you can set it up. These new consoles are not really a kid friendly toy - its very similar to buying a new laptop, although its pretty user friendly you may need someone with a decent idea of electronics who knows what they are doing.
Also, If the funds arent there, then you do not need a $500 console - it is definitely a luxury item and not a necessity.
Ive also said same thing when people complain about paying for XBL at $3 to $5 per month. Someone posted that "not everyone has $36 to spend per year!" - fine, if that is the case then you probably shouldnt be buying a $300 - $500 console or a $60 game.
This isnt elitist, its the simple truth.
I think the posters jumping on him literally posting "fuck off" are being dicks much more than him. Who cares if he's a junior - there is nothing wrong with what he is saying and it is the truth whether you want to hear it or not.
jordan0386
Member
Lol. That is not fair to MS, because it would mean between 11/22-12/25 you avoided using 'Xbox One' out of your mouth to anybody other than Johnny. Johnny had to have heard in school he needs internet to use X1.
Marty Chinn
Member
Were you not disputing the notion of personal responsibility? That's what you quoted.
iamshadowlark
Banned
LOL MS is shipping a video game console that not only won't play games out of the box, but wont even let you in the damn console. Yet here where are with people trying their best to defend it. People say there's a defense force for everything on gaf but this is plain sad.
2 Slice Toaster
Member
I don't think the list of tier 1 countries includes any that would be considered with that low a standard of internet availability, and if you went to the trouble to import to a non-launch nation, I'm going to guess you have some awareness of the requirements.
The problem with this line of thinking is that there are 7 billion people in the world of varying levels of intelligence and awareness.
That'll be fine for most cases, but sooo many people are going to fall through the information cracks on this one. There are still people that talk about it not playing used games.
jordan0386
Member
A cell phone is useless without a contract. The world buys a billion of those per year.
If X1 is useless without an internet start-up, so be it.
Marty Chinn
Member
And if they lose money or waste it, it is still their fault. Not being wise with your money is nobody's fault but your own. What's the old saying? A fool and his money are soon departed.
Black Mantis
Member
Let him bring it to your place and download the update. I'm pretty sure these people will be able to find solutions in the event they weren't aware of the need to download a patch, if not, they can return it.
bigbaldwolf86
Banned
You can buy phones without contracts...
Importing.
Not really. Is it stupid that the Xbone is being launched like this? Most definitely. It's very unfortunate situation. Is it as big of a problem as people are making it out to be? Probably not.
It's funny how this message board has turned into an us or them situation, instead of discussion.
John Caboose
Member
While it has always been known that an internet connection was needed, at first every 24h and now only once, someone is still going to buy one without being able to download the patch.
I'm guessing if we give it 3-6 months or so all of the consoles will ship with the patch pre-installed and more or less all of the unpatched consoles have been sold already.
I'm guessing if we give it 3-6 months or so all of the consoles will ship with the patch pre-installed and more or less all of the unpatched consoles have been sold already.
WordsintheWater
Member
Either way it's a hassle and some people will be pissed.
Marty Chinn
Member
How many people importing are doing it without the Internet?
So whose fault would it be if someone bought an iPhone without a cell phone plan and expected the phone to just work? Apple's or the person who bought it?
??? care to explain what was wrong with what I said?
I would take it of youre importing than you are aware of the situation. Importing a high dollar video game system seems like it would be a niche market. And not only that, but I would assume you would use the Internet to order your Xbone online, no?
jordan0386
Member
What good is it without one?
OverBlood 3
Banned
Don't buy a console at launch.
WordsintheWater
Member
It's not a huge problem, but it is a problem. If MS has a disclaimer on the box that says needs initial internet connection in order to operate, I would have no problems with this, but I don't know if they do.
CrashLanding75
Banned
He means hardware contract you mean phone service. You can buy pay as you go too but you're still paying for service lol
Marty Chinn
Member
A contract doesn't mean you can't get cellular service. Not having a contract means you're just not locked in.
NavyPharaoh
Member
A lot of Midwest areas still have dial up. The mainstream press is gonna have a field day with this. By the time the x1s actually come preloaded with the patch, the word will be out that you can't use this without internet. Microsoft can't catch a break
iamshadowlark
Banned
Dumb analogies for the win?
jordan0386
Member
Who is to say MS doesn't come out and state that all consoles after a certain manufacturing date will have it.
Probably what they should do.
Probably what they should do.
I still think you are exoecting too much understanding of the fine detail, that many consumers would not be reasonably expected to know. We know it, but many won't. I think I this example, the onus should be on MS or retail to inform consumers. I don't think that is an unreasonable expectation
jordan0386
Member
This was designed as an internet-only device to begin with.
lol, I can't tell if it's ignorance or arrogance. Companies such as MS have a responsibility to protect their customers. Ok, a fool and his money are soon departed - because MS have not made clear that the console won't boot without an internet connection. On a level, it's exploiting a customers awareness. AFAIK Xbone is the first product to require such an update before it will even function as advertised. That is not right.
The only people who are going to know that the console requires an update to work are those that frequent gaming sites, forums etc. What about the rest? Parents that work, elderly buying it as a Christmas present - not everybody has the time to research this stuff before they buy it. If there were a precedent I could understand, but this is a relatively new requirement for an entertainment device.
As for the practice itself, it's shitty and that's all there is to it. If I buy this on launch and come home to find my internet down for the next week, I've bought a $500 paperweight. Is it still my fault now??
Tfault
Member
Agreed, but should have been fixed before shipping.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Lol wow. Yeah, they'll sure teach customers a lesson about expecting slimy behavior from their products and services. Too bad consumers can't just return the console back to the store if the console acts like a glorified shitty brick outta the box. Oh wait.
Grand Funk Carwash
Banned
I'd be more concerned about update size than whether some hypothetical person who day ones a console without having the internet. A couple gigs is just as bad as not available for a lot of people. How big was the WiiU day one update anyway?
Ding ding ding
Xbox Ones releasing a little later will most likely have the updates. So those not wanting to ever buy an Xbox One can continue never buying an Xbox One.
CartridgeBlower
Member
CrashLanding75 getting that ban hammer dropped.
jordan0386
Member
And why would they still buy it and complain if they don't have internet at home?
If the kid doesn't understand he needs internet, you either get him internet or ask if they have any PS4s available.