Ballsy move. Good that you are making decision though.
I will get a PS4 sooner or later. For Destiny, for sure, but I think they might have sorted out some stuff with the units before Destiny is released.
But there are no games for me for now.
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Killzone Shadow Fall Review Thread
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I will get a PS4 sooner or later. For Destiny, for sure, but I think they might have sorted out some stuff with the units before Destiny is released.
But there are no games for me for now.
RedRedSuit
Member
Nope. KZ2 had an excellent campaign.
It got an excellent reception in the press for that too. And that's in the face of pretty huge odds against it in terms of sentiment. This was to be the poster child for PS3 over-promising and under-delivering... everything was set against it. That it was able to break through all that and deliver is testament to its quality.
tfur
Member
There will always be a "Killzone tax" for some reviewers. It is probably related to old biases and a collective dissonance.
I thought KZ2 mp was one of the best FPS multi player games this generation.
Also, there are plenty of good reviews out there for this game. I certainly would not take the opinions of "game journalists" too seriously. It is clear that some have some deep seeded bias that need to be expressed. After all the start and eventual reality of this new generation has been pretty difficult for many.
It will take time, and the less we worry about fake journalists, the better.
Disregarding Polygon's review because Arthus Gies is a half wit joke character of a human being, I am still unsurprised at the middling 7.0-8.0 scores. I predicted the game would get an 8.5 off the sheer launch hype, and it cut about 1 point below that on average so far. And based on my experience with the Killzone series to date, this is just the series finally getting the scores they've always deserved. That said, I'll reserve my own judgment until I play it, because I can't trust game critics due to all the controversies, but I was hoping this one would be different based on its less linear design and faster pace and less oppressive art direction. So far looks like I am doomed to once again not enjoy a KZ game.
Beleive it or not i am a big killzone fan. and when you see your favorite franchise going downhill it hurts. I am still amazed that MS was able to build a new studio from ground up 343 and they were able to make good game in first try. and this ggs 5th game and 3rd since they got good yet they are still not able to decide what they want out of killzone
and just for lols as how close Cytec and GG are
ArkkAngel007
Member
But it seems that the multiplayer isn't up to snuff, particularly in map design.
It's a shame because KZ2 multiplayer was fantastic. Things became a bit unbalanced at higher rankings (everyone cloak!), but it had a really nice flow to it on most maps.
Regarding the reviews, I think it's just everyone expecting more from this generation and in certain aspects of design that weren't in the foreground years ago. We had a long generation, and we're finally moving on to receive only more of the same. Some could levy that against the reviews of CoD:Ghosts and AC: Black Flag, but those are cross platform, annual release titles where I don't the expectation is on the same level.
This. What was everyone expecting? The Killzone campaigns have always been average at best, why was was anyone expecting this to be a 9-10 single player experience?
Fun Factor
Formerly FTWer
Yup KZ2 campaign was the highlight of the franchise.
KZ:SF is lower than Crysis 3???Beleive it or not i am a big killzone fan. and when you see your favorite franchise going downhill it hurts. I am still amazed that MS was able to build a new studio from ground up 343 and they were able to make good game in first try. and this ggs 5th game and 3rd since they got good yet they are still not able to decide what they want out of killzone
and just for lols as how close Cytec and GG are
I don't even...
I down own the game if that's what you're asking. Doesn't mean I haven't played it.
This was actually my worry. I remember thinking, 'Jeez, Crysis 3 looks so AWESOME, surely they'll learn from their missteps in 2 and go back to what made the first title so successful... man, there's just no way that it'll suck..." and then it promptly and unapologetically sucked.
Now, here we go again...
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I think the press are super aware right now of all the scrutiny they're under, and have probably managed to temper that "launch hype." If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if reviews get harsher across the board for games that aren't bringing enough novelty to the table. "This gameplay isn't next-gen!" and such.
These posts just make me laugh.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Statistically speaking, the difference between those two scores is probably negligible, i.e., within the margin of error.
It's hard to recommend Killzone for multiplayer when it has to go up against BF4 and Call of Duty Ghosts, which traditionally have much more refined multiplayer (and probably orders of magnitude more development resources dedicated to their multiplayer) than KZ2 & 3 ever did.
64-player BF4 in particular (especially on maps like Paracel Storm) is something that's likely to trounce the spectacle of even KZ4 if you want to show off to your friends.
You're giving them a bit too much credit. Most Halo fans (myself included) were so turned off by Halo 4 that they may never return. Halo lost a lot of magic going over to 343i.
We'll see how "super aware" they are when the XBO reviews come back, but if this is the start of actual game criticism, I'd be glad to see it.
You're giving them a bit too much credit. Most Halo fans (myself included) were so turned off by Halo 4 that they may never return. Halo lost a lot of magic going over to 343i.
i wouldnt want to play another killzone game either
Assuming you had a working multiplayer match...
KillerTravis
Banned
and just for lols as how close Cytec and GG are
That is indeed low but apparently it's just 18 critics so far. Once the fan sites are able to get copies the score will be much more favorable.
RedRedSuit
Member
No.
mickcenary
Member
Ditto. I had more fun playing it by myself than I did with friends on BF3/CoD/whatever have you.
You'll have to forgive my previous post somewhat, as I was typing it with my KZ2 GOAT MP rose tinted glasses on. I'm not expecting SF to eclipse those lofty heights again, but I'd like something close.
What's the general reviewer consensus of SF's MP? Haven't had a chance to properly read any reviews yet. Do any of them cover it competently?
Yes but it will average around 75. My point was that both GG and crytek are pushing tech after putting great games at the start of the generation instead of pushing good games
LOL Killzone 2 is among best fps last gen and killzone 3 was ok
velociraptor
Junior Member
I can't trust any reviewer. Crysis 3 was straight up brilliant.
This board will be super unreadable when the XBO reviews hit. Good or bad (I will say that I am actually more interested in MSs exclusives in KI and I think Ryse has the spectacle that Knack lacks and thus will get a few more passes ..it also doesn't look as bad as many have said...).
Luckily I will be to deep into games to read as much but as a guy without shit to do, today was tough to read at work lol.
Luckily I will be to deep into games to read as much but as a guy without shit to do, today was tough to read at work lol.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Raven77
Member
A large difference between "expecting" and "hoping"...
I would wager most were hoping. I was.
It's absolutely fucking insufferable. 99% of his tweets have 0 context.
ThisWreckage
Banned
I totally agree. In the Greatness Has Arrived thread I posted that you could expect scores between 7 and 8 on average because this game would be judged more harshly than it needed to be. Playstation exclusives are placed under more scrutiny more than anyone.
Also, Polygon should be banned and I think it's worth exploring. It's a sentiment that is gaining more and more traction for a reason.
SlasherJPC
Banned
So aside from Bioshock Infinite it seems the FPS overal scores haven been getting lower and lower over time. Genre burn out?
Viruz
Member
RedRedSuit
Member
Nope.
KZ2's was excellent and recognized as such. KZ3 was reasonably good and certainly better than average.
Colonel Nasty
Member
Opinions that are not mine should be banned
Sir Griffith
Member
Doesn't seem like it yet. There was only one that talked of the multiplayer for more than a couple of sentences, and that was Sessler's review. He said it was pretty good but lacked the "spark" to hold your interests long term. (Not his exact words, but those were generally his final thoughts on MP).
I'm not sure if any of the reviewers have gotten much MP in since the review event, though. So maybe that's why a lot of them didn't cover it in length (or at all).
RedRedSuit
Member
When playing KZ2 campaign, at no point did I say to myself, "Wow, this is so boring and dull." I remember thinking things like "OH SHIT" and "ugh this is intense" and, at points, "that's fucking bullshit, Killzone!"... but never "*yawn*."
GTFO with this bullshit. This thread is just a magnet of drive by haters who can't offer any constructive criticism on how Killzone is a generally terrible FPS because it's not. Killzone 2 and 3 have both been reviewed well and there was plenty of quality in those games.
Also, for the people bringing Perfect Dark into this, stop. You're making yourself look like an idiot. Standards change over time and when you have a saturated genre like the FPS one, reviewers become tougher on these games (as they should). I can confidently say that Killzone: SF is a better launch game that Perfect Dark Zero. If you want play the metacritic game all day, you won't be taken seriously.
good games
What will you play on any console?
The Bookerman
Member
Killzone SF is infinetly better than Killzone 2 or 3 because Rico isn't in it.
Also I think Gies Lowballed the score simply to make a statement. Probably cause no special sauce was involved in the making of that game.
Also I think Gies Lowballed the score simply to make a statement. Probably cause no special sauce was involved in the making of that game.
Muffdraul
Member
Same here. And honestly, my biggest problem with KZ3's campaign was that it was too short. What was there was damn solid.
He's pretentious and thinks that he actually knows what the fuck he's talking about.
But imagine if Jeff Green walked down the same street Gies did. You'd see Gies shrieking in horror and CRUNCH, crushed right under Green's mighty 'true journalist' boot, scraped off and discarded like the worthless hack he is.