The Toshiba HDD is even faster than the Samsung SSD?
It's actually SSHD. According to the spreadsheet I would say so.
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PS4 HDD speed test thread (HDD/SSHD/SSD/STD)
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It's actually SSHD. According to the spreadsheet I would say so.
For the record initial boots aside I don't think digital or disc will be different at all. Pending some weird surprises retail games will ultimately cache/install fully to storage and thus be the same as a game bought digitally.
The Toshiba HDD is even faster than the Samsung SSD?
Its marked as 'weird'
For unknown testing purposes being that its a setting different or something unlikely.
Don't you guys think it is kinda bold to put a 7200 rpm drive in, since it is only recommended to use 5400s?
I hope the PS4 won't overheat because of it.
If 7200 adds a lot of heat, we may see some PS4 redlining during summer where 5400s keep running - maybe? Curious to find out how well everything runs in the long term...
I hope the PS4 won't overheat because of it.
If 7200 adds a lot of heat, we may see some PS4 redlining during summer where 5400s keep running - maybe? Curious to find out how well everything runs in the long term...
thats a good point. can you link to the official 5400rpm recommendation from sony please?
There you go:
LINKPlaystation Blog said:
In "these standards" I think 5400 RPM are also included. Non-standard RPM could spell problems, but I have no idea...
Edit: However, an SSD is "non-standard" by those measures as well. I think it all boils down to heat dissipation. If you can get a 7200 RPM drive or an SSD with equal or lower heat dissipation data, you should be fine.
no, the standard is referring to the stuff after that, so no larger than 9.5mm and larger than 160gb.
It's just saying the included one is 500gb 5400rpm but you can change it, as long as it's 9.5mm and larger than 160gb.
Is there a way to backup the hdd, and restore it to a new one? Don't want to redownload the games =/
thanks for your effort.
Muselbert
Member
SSDs don't produce nearly as much heat as any hdd since there are no moving parts
the Hitachi 7200RPM vs 5400RPM drives only have a 2degree difference. It generally negligable
All of this is rather confusing what with the mixed results. Can anyone point me to a good HDD to buy for this console? After a 1TB drive. Should I get a standard Sata II or Sata III 7200rpm drive instead of SSHD? SSD is far too expensive, but now it's just a case of deciding between SSHD or a regular HDD, and Sata II or Sata III.
Do SSD drives give off more or less heat?
I realize there are no moving parts, but I don't really know how much the components give off heat.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I just want to know how it affects in game performance. I'm not that interested in boot up times.
SkullHydra
Member
I'm pretty interested in this myself. I'd assume that with the boot times cut back, the loading screens would be faster as well. Is there any PS4 game with decent sized loading screens that we can check this with?
In "theory" the SSHD 5400's should not be doing aswell for gaming as 7200RPM because of the way SSHDs are cached, but SSHDs "seem" to be doing quite well, only second behind the SSD's but I have only seen disc based AAA games timed, not digital to see the performance. (50GB games should run from the physical drive of the SSHD because it all cant be cached to the 8gb nand, which are normally 5400RPM vs 7200RPM = in theory better for gaming)
Long story short its way to early to get a solid answer, you probably wont go too far wrong with either, possibly the SSHD given the OS boot times etc, but you "might" lfind out later that you lose out on digital game perfmance.
According to the above data and going against normaly theory if you had to pick another drive right now and cant wait, maybe the SSHD. BUT - note the SSHD in the above list is noted as "wierd" an anomaly, if you exclude that drive, the 7200RPM drive looks a good choice (7k1000)
Sata 2 or Sata 3 is fine as sata 3 is backwards compatable
- But the latest performance drives will likely be sata 3?
Gormless Noodle
Member
I dunno jack about this stuff, but if I understand correctly from that document, Samsung uses it in their external P3 and M3 drives? Wouldn't it be possible to just buy one of those and take it out?
If that's the case, it should be pretty much okay!
Also, on speed comparisons: Please note that SSHDs cache *often used* data to the solid state cache, meaning that if you start up a game multiple times you might see improvements on loading that game.
Killing_Joke
Member
I've had 0 issues so far.UI, PSN, and games have been smooth as butter with the SSHD.
I think it is a bit of a stretch, but another difference between 5400 and 7200 rpm drives is vibrations. Neither the PS4's drive nor its tray are isolated with rubber grommets. Most laptops does not use them either, and take different model of HDDs without issues. PS4 should behave the same. Probably it is just Sony covering their backs, like any other company that allows customers to mess up with their product internals.
George Claw M.D.
Member
Had this same idea but I couldn't find any of the larger capacities for sale online, only the 1TB.
so a sshd would cache the data to boot the game? or is this impossible due to the 8gb limit (and games being ~40gb)?
im leaning towards a 7200rpm right now but i dunno.
Silurus
Member
Had a 7200 in my PS3 for years without issue. The heat difference is negligible.
Popup
Member
I have an SSD in my PS3 and the difference is noticiable during gameplay where textures are being loaded or in games like Skyrim when you keep going into buildings etc. It's nice to know that the data is being fetched as quickly as possible.
You may already know all this stuff, sorry if you do but see this Digital Foundry PS3 Rage video SSD comparison if not.
http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/ps3-hard-drive-vs-ssd-comparison-video-rage
The games systems are out now, this should no longer be "theory" still, unfortunately it is... Games like resogun its only 1 GB in size, when loaded a few times will get cached to the SSD/nand portion of the SSHD and run really quickly. It will likely be different for a game you repeat use thats in the 50GB region. It could be just the boot time maybe quicker, but what about IN-GAME loading. and texture streaming, it should be running of the 5400RPM drive, especially as you venture into the game.
Gormless Noodle
Member
Yeah I've been checking too, it's nowhere to be seen. Though on the other hand, it can't be far off, so might as well wait a bit.
The SSHD caches any data that gets used often. The more often, the more likely it is to end up in the cache. That means that especially boot up / game start loading should profit from this.
arent there any SSDH with 7200rpm? its a hard decision tbh
Not anymore. There was a seagate momentus 750 GB. But it was discontinued so I don't know what it's warranty situation is like.
You can still find some on amazon through 3rd party retailers.
http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Momentus-7200RPM-Hybrid-ST750LX003/dp/B00691WMJG
arent there any SSDH with 7200rpm? its a hard decision tbh
They still exist on ebay and amazon.co.uk
There is one listed in the OP table, seems to be doing okay. Need more data
They still exist on ebay and amazon.co.uk
There is one listed in the OP table, seems to be doing okay. Need more data
Ha! Just saw it on the OP table. That actually looks pretty bad compared to the standard 7200 RPM. What's that all about?
In "theory" the SSHD 5400's should not be doing aswell for gaming as 7200RPM because of the way SSHDs are cached, but SSHDs "seem" to be doing quite well, only second behind the SSD's but I have only seen disc based AAA games timed, not digital to see the performance. (50GB games should run from the physical drive of the SSHD because it all cant be cached to the 8gb nand, which are normally 5400RPM vs 7200RPM = in theory better for gaming)
Long story short its way to early to get a solid answer, you probably wont go too far wrong with either, possibly the SSHD given the OS boot times etc, but you "might" lfind out later that you lose out on digital game perfmance.
According to the above data and going against normaly theory if you had to pick another drive right now and cant wait, maybe the SSHD. BUT - note the SSHD in the above list is noted as "wierd" an anomaly, if you exclude that drive, the 7200RPM drive looks a good choice (7k1000)
Sata 2 or Sata 3 is fine as sata 3 is backwards compatable
I think I'll just stick with the stock drive for now maybe. Because there does not seem to be a definitive answer. Hmmm...
Hesemonni
Banned
Don't think so as its the 9mm form size that is new, I think they were 12.5 for the amount of storage space so they wouldn't fit in the PS4. They have managed to shrink the size down and still kept the 2tb which is the bit were interested in.
Wise move. If you aren't going for SSD's, it does make sense to wait till we get more conclusive info.
Well shit, you got my admiration
Hehe. It's the most irresponsible thing I've done all year. However, I don't regret it. Yet...
Lostconfused
Member
The most definitive answer so far is that anything is better than the stock drive.
boredandlazy
Member
Yeah, that's why I'm OK with my SSHD. I know it can't be worse at least.
Can Crusher
Banned
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/General-Tech/PlayStation-4-PS4-HDD-SSHD-and-SSD-Performance-Testing
Sucks they didn't compare with a 7200rpm drive.
Sucks they didn't compare with a 7200rpm drive.
with PS3 I found everything was so much more responsive - like XMB - no more 'loading' arrows, all icons instantly there...then in-game (as mentioned) things just seem smoother, might be my imagination but it would have been good to have DF (or someone) test framerates of a few games - RDR would have been a good one to test.
Deus Ex Machina
Member
Todays 7200rpm drives run cooler than some 5400rpm drives.. the only reason Sony went 5400rpm was price.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
Good read. It pretty much backs my position on it at the moment. I primarily want more space so may as well go for SSHD as it will still offer an improvement over Stock HDD. It should tie me over until SSDs are more reasonably priced.
Final Boss
Banned
It's part of why I'd wait, nevermind that you can probably safely keep deleting and reinstalling disc caches anyway, unless they sucked and tied save data to them and you don't have Plus for backing up. Either we'll get bigger drives, or cheaper SSDs, either way upgrading now may be regretted if the intent was future proofing.
Final Boss
Banned
Is it difficult to transfer data to a new HD if I wanted to wait later? How would I even so that?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
My Seagate SSD hybrid works unbelievably well. I don't think any game takes longer than 10-12 seconds to hit the title menu except something like BF4 or NFS with the logos and such. I'm in the KZ menu within about 7-8 seconds of hitting play.
I'm super impressed with the loading times.
Bloodstorm99
Neo Member
What would help me for my drive choice is to know exactly how the constant gameplay video recording works, does it constantly write on the drive or in some sort of memory ?