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Xbox One Hardware/UI Review Thread

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Glass Shark

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I'm honestly really baffled with how much emphasis most Xbox One reviews have put on the TV and Kinect features. I don't have cable and have no interest in using voice or motion controls, so what is there left for me? Seems to be a lot of "yeah, Titanfall is coming soon..."

I'm really starting to rethink purchasing either next-gen console right now.
 
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TonkuySlon

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Nymphae said:
The last line in the first paragraph of the lolygon Bone review:



Last line in the first paragraph of their PS4 review:



Tone immediately set. .5 score difference (sure) between the consoles, but their tone is "we love the familiarity of the Xbone and await the fulfilment of it's promises" & "We are bored by Sony's approach and can't recommend anything currently, but it might be ok in the future."

Fuck these guys with a jagged polygon.
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See, I find this to be true...in MY OPINION...(for what it's worth)...PS4 did nothing innovative...they refreshed hardware and put in much better memory and GPU etc. They didn't push the envelope in ANY way shape or form. And that's fine, clearly Sony is positioning the box as pretty much 90% games and 10% everything else.

XOne is going after input one...has that vision been realized out of the gate, NO! Resounding NO! But again, in my opinion they are pushing the envelope much harder with multiple ways to interact with the device, be an all in one entertainment hub. I understand that on a gaming site like this that may not be a priority for all but to me it makes a world of difference. I want all of that all-in- one functionality even if others here profess not to want it...doesn't mean none of us want it.

Just but whatever meets your needs...you don't see me going into the PS4 review thread and shitting it up with things like lolygon and claims of bias. I understand different folks want different things...just get what makes you happy.
 
S

Salvor.Hardin

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Y2Kev said:
Normies don't buy consoles at launch and certainly not at these prices so I really doubt what the USA today says will matter much to many. They're too busy reading about last night's NCIS.
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The conversation shouldn't be about casuals and the hardcore. There are far too many factors at play right now, and like every new console generation, it is mostly an isolated event. Disposable income, bragging rights, demographics, fads, and rival technologies all play a role in deciding console sales.

It can never be as simple as 'the mainstream press love this device' or 'the casual gamers don't care'.

The term 'Casual gamers' in its application is a misnomer that encompasses the entire gamut of gaming proclivity on a spectrum that stops right before the 'obsessed'. And the distinction between 'hardcore' and 'casual' becomes even blurrier when we take into consideration just how accessible gaming news has become and is consumed these days through social networking.

Casuals are just as likely to be day one purchases are the hardcore.
 
Sapiens

Sapiens

Member
joshrholloway said:
I'm honestly really baffled with how much emphasis most Xbox One reviews have put on the TV and Kinect features. I don't have cable and have no interest in using voice or motion controls, so what is there left for me? Seems to be a lot of "yeah, Titanfall is coming soon..."

I'm really starting to rethink purchasing either next-gen console right now.
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I'm 100% certain you'll eventually find a purpose to own one of these.

Once the paradigm shift occurs (in terms of year 2 software) happens next year, it'll be hard to ignore how janky everything on PS3 and 360 will feel.
 
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ab.aeterno

Member
I don't really care what the scores are, but reviews that take into account future potential are bullshit from word one. You can't possibly evaluate something that doesn't fucking exist yet, so how and why is it being included in reviews?

Imagine if books and movies were scored not only individually but also based on the potential for sequels; it's ludicrous.

Without knowing how, if Microsoft even do indeed fulfill that potential at all, it will grow, how can you rate it?

Reviews should be a slice in time grade or reflection of the item at the time it was reviewed.
 
J

Jburton

Banned
I will not use kinect for either gesture or voice for UI control, does anyone think MS will redesign the UI to make it better to control with the controller as I have seen quotes from different sources stating that it's quite awful at the moment.

I am interested to get one further down the line (price drop) but a UI that is not controller friendly would be a concern.

I have brought it up in another thread but no response, thought this would be the best place to ask.
 
KOMANI

KOMANI

KOMANI
TonkuySlon said:
See, I find this to be true...in MY OPINION...(for what it's worth)...PS4 did nothing innovative...they refreshed hardware and put in much better memory and GPU etc. They didn't push the envelope in ANY way shape or form. And that's fine, clearly Sony is positioning the box as pretty much 90% games and 10% everything else.

XOne is going after input one...has that vision been realized out of the gate, NO! Resounding NO! But again, in my opinion they are pushing the envelope much harder with multiple ways to interact with the device, be an all in one entertainment hub. I understand that on a gaming site like this that may not be a priority for all but to me it makes a world of difference. I want all of that all-in- one functionality even if others here profess not to want it...doesn't mean none of us want it.

Just but whatever meets your needs...you don't see me going into the PS4 review thread and shitting it up with things like lolygon and claims of bias. I understand different folks want different things...just get what makes you happy.
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this is the argument I hear, and it's a valid one. But I'm going to tell you what I told my friend.. Wait for the bugs to be ironed out. Wait for it to run smoothly. There will always be rough patches, but right now it's too rough.
 
T

TheCloud

Banned
TonkuySlon said:
See, I find this to be true...in MY OPINION...(for what it's worth)...PS4 did nothing innovative...they refreshed hardware and put in much better memory and GPU etc. They didn't push the envelope in ANY way shape or form. And that's fine, clearly Sony is positioning the box as pretty much 90% games and 10% everything else.

XOne is going after input one...has that vision been realized out of the gate, NO! Resounding NO! But again, in my opinion they are pushing the envelope much harder with multiple ways to interact with the device, be an all in one entertainment hub. I understand that on a gaming site like this that may not be a priority for all but to me it makes a world of difference. I want all of that all-in- one functionality even if others here profess not to want it...doesn't mean none of us want it.
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Thank you. Not everyone wants a utilitarian gaming-only box. And there's something oddly Luddite about dismissing features that aren't directly related to playing console games. The argument that "these are meant to be gaming devices" is silly because it IS a gaming box, it just happens to have other functionality as well.
 
open_mouth_

open_mouth_

insert_foot_
so much salt in this thread, wow.

Despite the power difference between the systems (which isn't all that evident at launch when you compare both lineups collectively), it's hard to argue against the fact that the XB1 has a vastly more diverse launch line-up than the PS4. The XB1 might hold the "library" edge for the first 12-18 months of both systems and that will be huge for them.
 
Nymphae

Nymphae

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TonkuySlon said:
See, I find this to be true...in MY OPINION...(for what it's worth)...PS4 did nothing innovative...they refreshed hardware and put in much better memory and GPU etc. They didn't push the envelope in ANY way shape or form. And that's fine, clearly Sony is positioning the box as pretty much 90% games and 10% everything else.
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I can understand that point of view, strikes me as weird for a gamer to not appreciate their approach though, I want more better games. The Xbone's focus on TV stuff is superfluous if you ask me, but hey, I'm not that audience. I didn't realize so many games journos were bored to tears with the current gaming situation and were waiting for the arrival of TV in the console to save them :/

XOne is going after input one...has that vision been realized out of the gate, NO! Resounding NO! But again, in my opinion they are pushing the envelope much harder with multiple ways to interact with the device, be an all in one entertainment hub...
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I can certainly appreciate them trying something new, but everything I've read so far is saying their kinect & tv stuff isn't up to snuff (oh and I hope you live in the US if you want to use the TV stuff), yet the Polygon review is praising their approach to entertainment outside of games.
 
P

panty

Member
Terbinator said:
My bad, i meant Gamersyde rather than be at the mercy of a website's chosen compression.
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Yeah it must be hard to accept the facts but if you'd click that link you could see that there's hardly any compression, iq is crystal clear.

Forza still looks like crap, lighting is bad, car models still look plasticy.
 
M

Maninthemirror

Banned
open_mouth_ said:
so much salt in this thread, wow.

Despite the power difference between the systems (which isn't all that evident at launch when you compare both lineups collectively), it's hard to argue against the fact that the XB1 has a vastly more diverse launch line-up than the PS4. The XB1 might hold the "library" edge for the first 12-18 months of both systems and that will be huge for them.
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X1 holds the library edge till December.
 
H

Hubble

Member
SolidSnakeUS said:
Am I the only one that thinks the UI is way too over cluttered? Metro is fine to a certain point, but considering how many big and small tiles are all over the place with ads all over the place, it seems like a total distraction.
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Have you tried 360? The XO UI looks less cluttered. Once you try it, you won't go back to the PS UI. It's really good.
 
quickwhips

quickwhips

Member
Jburton said:
I will not use kinect for either gesture or voice for UI control, does anyone think MS will redesign the UI to make it better to control with the controller as I have seen quotes from different sources stating that it's quite awful at the moment.

I am interested to get one further down the line (price drop) but a UI that is not controller friendly would be a concern.

I have brought it up in another thread but no response, thought this would be the best place to ask.
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when you says that you have references that its bad with a controller you should link to it or like not mention it because we need receipts. I'm sure the controller will work well just like on 360. But I'm waiting and seeing.
 
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op_ivy

Fallen Xbot (cannot continue gaining levels in this class)
its pretty telling that ryse is not one of the recommended launch games in any of these reviews :(
 
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The Lamp

Member
open_mouth_ said:
so much salt in this thread, wow.

Despite the power difference between the systems (which isn't all that evident at launch when you compare both lineups collectively), it's hard to argue against the fact that the XB1 has a vastly more diverse launch line-up than the PS4. The XB1 might hold the "library" edge for the first 12-18 months of both systems and that will be huge for them.
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More like through December at best.

Edit: beaten
 
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Chance Hale

Member
op_ivy said:
its pretty telling that ryse is not one of the recommended launch games in any of these reviews :(
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It's mentioned as the visual showpiece for the system in quite a few of the articles but I suppose we'll see tomorrow morning. Might just be the embargo on the game until tomorrow.
 
K

Kashinoda

Banned
CassidyIzABeast said:
Youtube is complete shit now man. Like half the damn Anandtech comparison video plays in 360p before it switches to Original quality.
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Dat YouTube DASH.

You can disable it with extensions/add-ons for various browsers, but that means you (currently) lose the ability to play in 1080p. Though to be honest that's a lot better.
 
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TonkuySlon

Banned
Nymphae said:
I can understand that point of view, strikes me as weird for a gamer to not appreciate their approach though, I want more better games. The Xbone's focus on TV stuff is superfluous if you ask me, but hey, I'm not that audience. I didn't realize so many games journos were bored to tears with the current gaming situation and were waiting for the arrival of TV in the console to save them :/



I can certainly appreciate them trying something new, but everything I've read so far is saying their kinect & tv stuff isn't up to snuff (oh and I hope you live in the US if you want to use the TV stuff), yet the Polygon review is praising their approach to entertainment outside of games.
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Again, just my point of view but that doesn't mean 6 month's to a year from now it won't be realized...or even 2 years...Look at the evolution of PS3 and 360? Where we started and where we finished is VERY different. I do live in the US and use TimeWarner as my cable provider. I'll be honest that if I were in the EU or one of the other launch places I would NOT get the XOne as it's all-in-one media functionality is significantly more limited outside of US. But that's not a concern for me...I just get a bit peeved with people saying that all that extra stuff is garbage...again, I say this knowing full well that right now it needs work.
 
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0xCA2

Member
quickwhips said:
when you says that you have references that its bad with a controller you should link to it or like not mention it because we need receipts. I'm sure the controller will work well just like on 360. But I'm waiting and seeing.
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I'm not sure you've seen this, this is from the Kotaku review.

Kotaku said:
It's also possible to do everything the Kinect does with just the controller, but it's a more arduous process. If you'd like to record a clip of your gameplay with Kinect, you can say, "Xbox, record that" to start the recorder. To do the same thing with the controller, you have to pause the game with the the home button, snap the Game DVR app to the side of the screen and start recording, then go back later and edit your clip to take out the part where you paused the game. [...] Similarly, you can snap an app to the side of your screen simply by saying, "Xbox, snap Internet Explorer"... or you can pause the game with the home button, select the snap function, pick an app to snap, then double-tap the home button to return to the game. It works, but the Xbox One was clearly designed with voice control in mind.

Pause. Take a moment to read over that last paragraph. Kind of a mess, right? If ever a console needed a huge instruction manual loaded with flowcharts and button-maps, it's this one. The Xbox One may no longer require an internet connection or Kinect, but it damn near requires a butler or a tutor.
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Nightengale

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Salvor.Hardin said:
Casuals are just as likely to be day one purchases are the hardcore.
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How do we define hardcore and casual in this context?

There's those who buy 5 games every quarter, AAA and indies. Those are definitely the hardcore ones.

There's a subset of gamers who only play annual iterations of Madden, FIFA, CoD and nothing else. They're not hardcore, but they're not exactly casual either depending on how you view them.

I'm thinking what Y2Kev is referring to here is the subset of consumers even further down the casual ladder, as in the Black Friday or Christmas Holiday mom/pops/kids who are buying things for their gifts, entertainments, etc.

Those group almost definitely do not buy day-one.
 
F

forgeforsaken

Member
Does the XB1 not support surround sound for the cable pass through? I would have thought that would have got its own thread. Seems like a big deal.
 
J

Jburton

Banned
quickwhips said:
when you says that you have references that its bad with a controller you should link to it or like not mention it because we need receipts. I'm sure the controller will work well just like on 360. But I'm waiting and seeing.
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I will need to chase up the quotes I had seen in other threads but one was Jeff Gertsmann saying on the Bombcast how bad it was controlling the UI with the controller.

I will come back with others if so wished.
 
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jaaz

Member
open_mouth_ said:
so much salt in this thread, wow.

Despite the power difference between the systems (which isn't all that evident at launch when you compare both lineups collectively), it's hard to argue against the fact that the XB1 has a vastly more diverse launch line-up than the PS4. The XB1 might hold the "library" edge for the first 12-18 months of both systems and that will be huge for them.
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The IQ quality is huge for those who care. I am playing ACIV on 1080p right now, and the difference is noticeable for those who want to see it.

And I have no idea where you are getting that the Xbone's launch line-up is "vastly more diverse". Since Friday, I have played, two shooters (Killzone and BF4), a driving game (NFS), a basketball game (NBA2k14), an arcade shooter (Resogun), a action-adventure game (ACIV), a soccer game (FIFA) and I am considering a platformer game (Knack). And that's not the whole launch lineup. How much more diverse do you want?

And for the entire year next year,that really is no contest, PS4 has many more games coming out than the Xbone. Unless of course the mighty (unproven) Titanfall powers over all! :)
 
KOMANI

KOMANI

KOMANI
The Lamp said:
More like through December at best.

Edit: beaten
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I think that the Xbox One has the better Launch titles. I would love to play some Killer Instinct. But...BUT, none of them offer that "Mario 64" type of launch title. And Launch titles come and go, it's the games that the system will have in the long run that is the real reason to get a system.

I prefer Sony titles, and since the system can run 3rd party games better/smoothly it makes things easier for me.
 
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