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[Night Hunter]

Cheapest in the UK as far as I could see.

Seriously? Amazon Germany has the same model for 290€. Are drives generally more expensive in the UK? Or is it just some weird "you got pounds so we will bleed you dry while the number at the bottom is still lower than anywhere else" thing?

 

[LiquidMetal14]

It's a slight anomaly and there were no other times to use. The entire thread is mostly useless as people measure differently, and a bunch of folk didn't bother reporting back.

I just did this.

I'd put that in your PC unless you get a super expensive 1TB SSD. I don't think I've seen much of a tangible difference over my Seagate SSD Hybrid for the asking price and the fact that I have about 727GB left even with a bunch of games installed.

 

[nib95]

My bloody 7200 drive hasn't arrived yet, and Amazon has no tracking for it. Console comes out in a few days. SHIT. Looks like the other drives have no Amazon Prime delivery options either...

 

[DBT85]

Seriously? Amazon Germany has the same model for 290€. Are drives generally more expensive in the UK? Or is it just some weird "you got pounds so we will bleed you dry while the number at the bottom is still lower than anywhere else" thing?

No idea. It's nearer £285 on other sites.

I'd put that in your PC unless you get a super expensive 1TB SSD. I don't think I've seen much of a tangible difference over my Seagate SSD Hybrid for the asking price and the fact that I have about 727GB left even with a bunch of games installed.

I'm OK with it in the PS4 thanks

 

[TL24]

My bloody 7200 drive hasn't arrived yet, and Amazon has no tracking for it. Console comes out in a few days. SHIT. Looks like the other drives have no Amazon Prime delivery options either...

Thank god I've got my local Microcenter computer store near by, has all the HDD, SSHD and SDD I'd want. Sorry not trying to run it in.

 

[dallow_bg]

hm. not used this for long. but it seems to have started to get bogged down. i noticed that while on the XMB it froze a bit. and after that when i started to play knack. the music would cut in and out. hmm.

I don't see your times written.
The same drive is arriving today, hmm, maybe I should pass on it.

 

[jimbob1971]

No idea. It's nearer £285 on other sites.

Amazon has two versions: MZ-7TE500BW and MZ-7TE500LW. The BW is £248. I don't know the difference to be honest.

I was very close to ordering a Crucial M500 240gb for £95 in today's lightning deal, but didn't in the end. If it had been the 250 EVO then I might have done.

My other option is the Seagate 1tb or the 750gb XT. Seagate themselves seem to think the 1tb sshd is faster than the gen 2 XT, which was suggested by a few sites.
http://www.extremetech.com/computin...at-closes-the-ssd-gap-drops-momentus-xt-brand

One site (can't remember which) did have the 750gb XT as the faster, so make of that what you will.

I had a look on here http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/mid_range_drives.html but there seemed to be many Seagate 1TB SSHDs, so couldn't make head nor tail of it.

 

[Dead Prince]

I don't see your times written.
The same drive is arriving today, hmm, maybe I should pass on it.

i figure when i popped it up i started downloading everything, going from one game to another trying to download and install probably caused it to get bogged down. but after restarting i had no issue. but i was done with going hyper mode trying to get everything back on there ;P

but the only thing i knew for sure was the cold boot which was 21 seconds. that was when you can hit X to start up the first thing on the menu.

 

[DagsJT]

Anyone know the difference between the 7k1000 and this:

http://www.ebuyer.com/489564-hgst1tb-travelstar-internal-hard-drive-0s03381

eBuyer doesn't give a great description.

 

[nib95]

Anyone know the difference between the 7k1000 and this:

http://www.ebuyer.com/489564-hgst1tb-travelstar-internal-hard-drive-0s03381

eBuyer doesn't give a great description.

That's a 7K1000, but the SATA II version. Model 0S03381. I think Hitachi's HDD division was bought out by WD and is now called HGST, but they're the same thing.

There's also a SATA III version of the Hitachi/HGST 7K1000, with the model number 0J22423.

 

[DagsJT]

That's a 7K1000, but the SATA II version. Model 0S03381. I think Toshiba's HDD division was bought out by WD and is now called HGST, but they're the same thing.

There's also a SATA III version of the Toshiba/HGST 7K1000, with the model number 0J22423.

Cheers, Nib. A quick Google seems to suggest the PS4 doesn't support SATA III anyway so the extra speed would be wasted? Might as well go for the SATA II version then!

 

[nib95]

Cheers, Nib. A quick Google seems to suggest the PS4 doesn't support SATA III anyway so the extra speed would be wasted? Might as well go for the SATA II version then!

That's correct. I went for the SATA III version myself, because it was the one available on Amazon (UK). But I doubt there would be any tangible difference in performance between the two versions.

 

[cpp_is_king]

What's the regular price of the Samsung 1TB Evo?

Amazon is showing it for $560, but I can't tell if this is a limited time black friday deal, or just regular price.

Edit: Slickdeals claims this is a crazy low price, so fuck it I'm in. I don't think I'll have a problem with the hardware setup of physically installing this in the new console, but how can I transfer my profile and game data over? And do I need to format the disk first using a PC, or can I just stick it in the PS4 unformatted and boot it up? Is there a guide somewhere?

 

[mylasthope]

What's the regular price of the Samsung 1TB Evo?

Amazon is showing it for $560, but I can't tell if this is a limited time black friday deal, or just regular price.

Edit: Slickdeals claims this is a crazy low price, so fuck it I'm in. I don't think I'll have a problem with the hardware setup of physically installing this in the new console, but how can I transfer my profile and game data over?

Lowest its been on Amazon.

 

[kaiyo]

That's a 7K1000, but the SATA II version. Model 0S03381. I think Toshiba's HDD division was bought out by WD and is now called HGST, but they're the same thing.

There's also a SATA III version of the Toshiba/HGST 7K1000, with the model number 0J22423.

You mean Hitachi and not Toshiba.

edit: WD just shortened "Hitachi Global Storage Technologies" to HGST

 

[nib95]

You mean Hitachi and not Toshiba.

edit: WD just shortened "Hitachi Global Storage Technologies" to HGST

Whoops, yeap. Edited.

 

[Chanser]

Announced for $300.
http://www.techpowerup.com/194988/w...worlds-first-ssd-hdd-dual-drive.html#comments

 

[dallow_bg]

Announced for $300.
http://www.techpowerup.com/194988/w...worlds-first-ssd-hdd-dual-drive.html#comments

Link is bad but this was mentioned earlier.
It doesn't cache data to the SSD, so not a good option for the ps4.

 

[Tonidayo]

So in short, what to get for optimal performances at 1 TB size ? Seems the best 2 choices to consider are the HGST 7K1000 & the Seagate ST1000LM014. Which to choose from ?

 

[viveks86]

What's the regular price of the Samsung 1TB Evo?

Amazon is showing it for $560, but I can't tell if this is a limited time black friday deal, or just regular price.

Edit: Slickdeals claims this is a crazy low price, so fuck it I'm in. I don't think I'll have a problem with the hardware setup of physically installing this in the new console, but how can I transfer my profile and game data over? And do I need to format the disk first using a PC, or can I just stick it in the PS4 unformatted and boot it up? Is there a guide somewhere?

Get it while it's hot! Regular price is $595. I'm not sure how you are going to copy anything over. You should probably save everything to the cloud and restore it (no idea if this is possible, just guessing). Otherwise, installation is a breeze. No need to format. Just replace the disk, let it boot and insert the USB stick. That's about it! There is a video on IGN that worked perfectly for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8K_SpOZuIw

 

[cpp_is_king]

Get it while it's hot! Regular price is $595. I'm not sure how you are going to copy anything over. You should probably save everything to the cloud and restore it (no idea if this is possible, just guessing). Otherwise, installation is a breeze. No need to format. Just replace the disk, let it boot and insert the USB stick. That's about it! There is a video on IGN that worked perfectly for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8K_SpOZuIw

Actually I reneged and bought the 1TB SSHD instead. It was $450 cheaper, and only about 5% slower. If Sony ever releases an updated model of PS4 with a SATA III interface, I will definitely upgrade to a true SSD at that time.

 

[Rushy]

It's awesome you guys are keeping tabs on this thread. Have you experimented with different drives yourself? Or just stuck with stock only? As in for your personal PS4, not the dev kits obviously.

We only use stock drives in the office, but we're confident that SSHD's & SSD's will offer a noticeable effect on performance (although this will vary from game to game).

When I get my personal PS4 on EU release day I'll be slotting in my SSHD straight away to reap the benefits

 

[Night Hunter]

Man I really hope that maybe the PS4 Slim version will have SATA III support. Right now it just feels like (or actually is) a waist to put a SATA III drive in there ...

 

[tazz3]

You can't use the day one update for hard drive swap you need the recovery update fw its bigger file day one won't work

 

[cpp_is_king]

You can't use the day one update for hard drive swap you need the recovery update fw its bigger file day one won't work

What is a "recovery update firmware"? On the PS4 HDD upgrade support page, it just says "download a firmware" and the link takes you to the page for 1.51

 

[shungokusatsu]

What is a "recovery update firmware"? On the PS4 HDD upgrade support page, it just says "download a firmware" and the link takes you to the page for 1.51

There's two files. One is for upgrading from the base firmware to 1.51. The other is for people who installed a new HDD ,as it includes 1.51 and the OS.

 

[Final Boss]

I installed 3 games and downloaded a couple indie games, down to 294GB


2TB is the safe upgrade

 

[viveks86]

What is a "recovery update firmware"? On the PS4 HDD upgrade support page, it just says "download a firmware" and the link takes you to the page for 1.51

You are right. There is only one link. They don't seem to have a different "recovery firmware" for the 1.51 update. It must be close to 1 GB. If that's the file you used, you are good. I used the same one.

 

[Jarmel]

Got a ton of numbers and videos for you guys. I didn't bother measuring the times in the videos(also yes the video quality is crap). All games are downloaded and this is using the Seagate 1TB Solid State Hybrid Drive SATA 6Gbps 64MB Cache 2.5-Inch ST1000LM014. Each test was done using my iPhone 5's stopwatch feature and the units are in seconds.

To First Splash means when a company logo appears(or intro video) and there isn't a loading icon anymore in the corner of the screen. An example of a loading icon is the ship in Resogun or the G in the middle of the screen for Killzone. To Main Menu/Menu means that there is no interference and it goes through all splash videos leading up to the menu in Killzone/pressing Start in Resogun/or the menu becoming available in the PS OS.

It is important to note the difference as for example, the splash videos in Resogun are lengthy but you can skip past them.

Standby mode was entered via this method: Press and hold the PS button for at least 1 second, and then select [Enter Standby Mode] on the screen that is displayed.
----------
Killzone-Separate test video from tests below
Test 1:12.55 to Main Menu
Test 2:10.31 to Main Menu
Test 3:10.31 to Main Menu
Test 4:9.71 to Main Menu
----------
Resogun-Separate test video from tests below
Test 1:24.93 to Main Menu
Test 2:24.35 to Main Menu
Test 3:23.85 to Main Menu
Test 4:9.36 to First Splash
----------
After Loading Resogun and then switching to Killzone (each test was done separately in that I repeated the process of loading up Resogun each time and closing it):
Killzone Switch Test-
Test 1:6.68 to First Splash
Test 2:6.77 to First Splash
9.13 to Main Menu
-----------
After Loading Killzone and then switching to Resogun (each test was done separately in that I repeated the process of loading up Killzone each time and closing it):
Resogun Switch Test-
Test 1:8.9 to First Splash
24.2 to Main Menu
----------
Boot from Standby. Start was when the PS4 gave off a beep sound indicating boot up.
Separate test video from tests below
Test 1:13.53 to PS Logo
24.81 to Menu
Test 2:12.41 to PS Logo
23.91 to Menu
Test 3:12.55 to PS Logo
23.08 to Menu
---------
Boot from Cold. Start was when the PS4 gave off a beep sound indicating boot up.
Separate test video from tests below
Test 1:8.0 to PS Logo
19.31 to Menu
Test 2:8.08 to PS Logo
18.95 to Menu
Test 3:19.56 to Menu (aberration as I was a little slow on the uptake in stopping timer)
Test 4:7.6 to PS Logo
18.36 to Menu
--
In conclusion, it is surprisingly faster to boot your system from cold than it is to boot it up from standby. I would also say that the Seagate is faster than the HGST as well, going from the times in the OP. Switching between apps to seems to have a minimal detrimental effect, if any, but someone would have to test this with more apps than just two.

 

[nib95]

We only use stock drives in the office, but we're confident that SSHD's & SSD's will offer a noticeable effect on performance (although this will vary from game to game).

When I get my personal PS4 on EU release day I'll be slotting in my SSHD straight away to reap the benefits

Damn, you're making me regret my 7200rpm purchase lol. Why SSHD over 7200rpm out of curiosity?

Got a ton of numbers and videos for you guys. I didn't bother measuring the times in the videos(also yes the video quality is crap). All games are downloaded and this is using the Seagate 1TB Solid State Hybrid Drive SATA 6Gbps 64MB Cache 2.5-Inch ST1000LM014. Each test was done using my iPhone 5's stopwatch feature and the units are in seconds.

To First Splash means when a company logo appears(or intro video) and there isn't a loading icon anymore in the corner of the screen. An example of a loading icon is the ship in Resogun or the G in the middle of the screen for Killzone. To Main Menu/Menu means that there is no interference and it goes through all splash videos leading up to the menu in Killzone/pressing Start in Resogun/or the menu becoming available in the PS OS.

It is important to note the difference as for example, the splash videos in Resogun are lengthy but you can skip past them.

Standby mode was entered via this method: Press and hold the PS button for at least 1 second, and then select [Enter Standby Mode] on the screen that is displayed.
----------
Killzone-Separate test video from tests below
Test 1:12.55 to Main Menu
Test 2:10.31 to Main Menu
Test 3:10.31 to Main Menu
Test 4:9.71 to Main Menu
----------
Resogun-Separate test video from tests below
Test 1:24.93 to Main Menu
Test 2:24.35 to Main Menu
Test 3:23.85 to Main Menu
Test 4:9.36 to First Splash
----------
After Loading Resogun and then switching to Killzone (each test was done separately in that I repeated the process of loading up Resogun each time and closing it):
Killzone Switch Test-
Test 1:6.68 to First Splash
Test 2:6.77 to First Splash
9.13 to Main Menu
-----------
After Loading Killzone and then switching to Resogun (each test was done separately in that I repeated the process of loading up Killzone each time and closing it):
Resogun Switch Test-
Test 1:8.9 to First Splash
24.2 to Main Menu
----------
Boot from Standby. Start was when the PS4 gave off a beep sound indicating boot up.
Separate test video from tests below
Test 1:13.53 to PS Logo
24.81 to Menu
Test 2:12.41 to PS Logo
23.91 to Menu
Test 3:12.55 to PS Logo
23.08 to Menu
---------
Boot from Cold. Start was when the PS4 gave off a beep sound indicating boot up.
Separate test video from tests below
Test 1:8.0 to PS Logo
19.31 to Menu
Test 2:8.08 to PS Logo
18.95 to Menu
Test 3:19.56 to Menu (aberration as I was a little slow on the uptake in stopping timer)
Test 4:7.6 to PS Logo
18.36 to Menu
--
In conclusion, it is surprisingly faster to boot your system from cold than it is to boot it up from standby. I would also say that the Seagate is faster than the HGST as well, going from the times in the OP. Switching between apps to seems to have a minimal detrimental effect, if any, but someone would have to test this with more apps than just two.

Interesting results. I wonder why the stand by boot times for this SSHD is worse than the 7K1000. Maybe on standby boot the SSHD has to carry out some sort of memory management between the HDD and SSD? Still, it seems that overall with actual game booting times, the SSHD is slightly quicker.

Given my 7200rpm drive still hasn't arrived, maybe I should just order an additional ST1000LM014 just in case.

 

[Jarmel]

Interesting results. I wonder why the stand by boot times for this SSHD is worse than the 7K1000. Maybe on standby boot the SSHD has to carry out some sort of memory management between the HDD and SSD?

The SSHD is actually faster. People haven't been reporting their results properly.

 

[Killthee]

You are right. There is only one link. They don't seem to have a different "recovery firmware" for the 1.51 update. It must be close to 1 GB. If that's the file you used, you are good. I used the same one.

There's two links, but each support page only links to one. The software update page links to the 300MB Software Update while the New Install/HDD Upgrade page links to the 800MB Recovery Update (Software Update + Playroom).

 

[nib95]

The SSHD is actually faster. People haven't been reporting their results properly.

Can you elaborate? Because a few people actually posted videos of the standby boot up too.

 

[Jarmel]

Can you elaborate? Because a few people actually posted videos of the standby boot up too.

As stated earlier in the thread, downloading something or there being some activity when you go into standby mode affects the wakeup time. The times for those are all roughly 3-4 seconds and I didn't bother measuring those because they're all in the same timeframe that any difference could be chalked up to numerous factors. Then there is standby mode when nothing is downloading in the background. This is different than it booting up from cold as it takes significantly longer.

People have also been skipping through splash screens or noting the time when it hits the splash screen. Like one video I was looking at earlier, I'm pretty sure he was skipping through the splash screens.

 

[viveks86]

There's two links, but each support page only links to one. The software update page links to the 300MB Software Update while the New Install/HDD Upgrade page links to the 800MB Recovery Update (Software Update + Playroom).

Ah I see. I stand corrected. Guess they went with different pages for each type of install.

 

[Jarmel]

Yea the Hitachi speeds in the OP are completely jacked. No way the Resogun start for the HGST is faster than a SSD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oGeojh-43g&feature=youtu.be

I'm getting 11.36 for the Start to First Splash in this video and

16.86 from Start to Main Menu

This is for a SSD. No way Resogun has a bootup speed for 12 seconds for the HGST.

 

[DracoBlade]

Hey guys have a question whats the difference (Aside from a few dollars lol) between these two HDDs? I'm interested in choosing whichever one is "superior" in compatibility with the ps4 if at all

Thanks in advance!

HGST Travelstar 2.5-Inch 1TB 7200RPM SATA 6GB/s 32MB Cache Internal Hard Drive


HGST Travelstar 7K1000 2.5-Inch 1TB 7200 RPM SATA III 32MB Cache Internal Hard Drive 0J22423

 

[dallow_bg]

Thanks for all the info Jarmel.

 

[jimbob1971]

For UK readers, the 1TB Seagate SSHD is now £75 at Amazon, although it won't be in stock until the 30th.
EDIT: Weirdly It dispatched today, and is arriving Thursday.

If you are looking for an SSD then there is another Crucial M500 lightning deal today, this time only 120gb. Given they had the 240gb on sale for £95 yesterday it looks like we'll maybe see the larger capacity drives towards the end of the week. Keep your eyes peeled!

 

[DagsJT]

For UK readers, the 1TB Seagate SSHD is now £75 at Amazon, although it won't be in stock until the 30th.

If you are looking for an SSD then there is another Crucial M500 lightning deal today, this time only 120gb. Given they had the 240gb on sale for £95 yesterday it looks like we'll maybe see the larger capacity drives towards the end of the week. Keep your eyes peeled!

Edit: Never mind.

 

[Katana_Strikes]

Got my 7k1000 1 TB HGST today, all ready for Friday

 

[Bojanglez]

Got a ton of numbers and videos for you guys. I didn't bother measuring the times in the videos(also yes the video quality is crap). All games are downloaded and this is using the Seagate 1TB Solid State Hybrid Drive SATA 6Gbps 64MB Cache 2.5-Inch ST1000LM014. Each test was done using my iPhone 5's stopwatch feature and the units are in seconds.

....


In conclusion, it is surprisingly faster to boot your system from cold than it is to boot it up from standby. I would also say that the Seagate is faster than the HGST as well, going from the times in the OP. Switching between apps to seems to have a minimal detrimental effect, if any, but someone would have to test this with more apps than just two.

Thanks for posting these, I'm glad I went for the ST1000LM014 and completely digital.

 

[Bojanglez]

For UK readers, the 1TB Seagate SSHD is now £75 at Amazon, although it won't be in stock until the 30th.

If you are looking for an SSD then there is another Crucial M500 lightning deal today, this time only 120gb. Given they had the 240gb on sale for £95 yesterday it looks like we'll maybe see the larger capacity drives towards the end of the week. Keep your eyes peeled!

I got mine from Pixmania for £77.99 and it came within a couple of days
http://www.pixmania.co.uk/2-5-inch-...-1-tb-8-gb-flash-internal-2-5/21336206-a.html

It looks like it is only available at that price for 11 more hours though.

 

[jimbob1971]

I got mine from Pixmania for £77.99 and it came within a couple of days
http://www.pixmania.co.uk/2-5-inch-...-1-tb-8-gb-flash-internal-2-5/21336206-a.html

It looks like it is only available at that price for 11 more hours though.

Cheers, yeah I saw that too. I only went for Amazon because I've never had an issue returning items.

The Crucial 120gb is 55 today, 240gb was 95 yesterday. I'm hoping the 480 or 960 will come up in the next few days, and should be good value if these levels of reductions persist. In which case I'll maybe get one of those and cancel the 1tb SSHD.

 

[robo]

Doesn't the spec say greater than 160gb for the hdd, so a 120gb ssd may not work?

 

[jimbob1971]

Doesn't the spec say greater than 160gb for the hdd, so a 120gb ssd may not work?

Yes, you are right, it won't work. I wasn't suggesting people buy the 120gb, just highlighting that every day of the lightning deal has featured a Crucial SSD, so we may have the larger ones in the next few days.

 

[EdwardTivrusky]

Hey guys have a question whats the difference (Aside from a few dollars lol) between these two HDDs? I'm interested in choosing whichever one is "superior" in compatibility with the ps4 if at all

Thanks in advance!

HGST Travelstar 2.5-Inch 1TB 7200RPM SATA 6GB/s 32MB Cache Internal Hard Drive


HGST Travelstar 7K1000 2.5-Inch 1TB 7200 RPM SATA III 32MB Cache Internal Hard Drive 0J22423

The first was released in October 2012 and the second one released in January 2012. I suppose they are just different model numbers.

1) Item model number: 0S03563
2) Item model number: 0J22423

 

[DistortionOfReality]

1tb Seagate SSHD arrived.

My body is ready for friday.

 

[DagsJT]

The Seagate SSHD is faster than the 7k1000 despite being 5400rpm?

 

[jimbob1971]

The Seagate SSHD is faster than the 7k1000 despite being 5400rpm?

http://www.storagereview.com/hgst_travelstar_7k1000_review
The Seagate tested here is the 7mm version, laptop thin, 500gb, not the 1TB version. Still, seems to be faster than the HGST.

Here is a seperate review of the 500gb laptop thin.
http://www.storagereview.com/seagate_sshd_thin_review_gen3_500gb_st500lm000

The momentus XT gen 2 seems to beat it in some cases, but I've seen other reviews where the 1gb Seagate 9mm is meant to be faster than the XT. I guess we'll only know for sure when people have them in their PS4s. One quote stands out though:-

" Our benchmarking shows the Gen3 and Gen2 both outperform HDDs where it matters, in our real world traces where the onboard cache can really show its performance benefits. In that case, where data is nicely cached, the new 500GB Thin bests the 750GB Gen2 product by a significant margin. "