Ghost Cell
Banned
Wrong
PS3/PS4 is the way to go for now.
Pick up XB1 in two years when it has some games.
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Nvidia: Gamers should not limit their options to PS4/XB1; PC is the way to go
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PS3/PS4 is the way to go for now.
Pick up XB1 in two years when it has some games.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
I already own a gaming PC. AMD all the way. Thanks for the reminder, NVIDIA.
lol Yup.
If they really wanna make money, they should sell a patch for AMD GPUs to use PhysX
I see no compelling software on either console yet. Not into fighting or racing games really so FM5 and KI don't have much appeal. Resogun looks pretty good but it's not the kind of next gen blockbuster title worth buying a $399 system for.
Gonna stay with just PC for another year at least.
Gonna stay with just PC for another year at least.
convenience is...
-being able to plug and play any headset/mic i choose
-logging on to skype, mumble, ventrilo or whatever VOIP client suites the occasion
-choosing which set of peripherals are most suited to the game i'm playing
-setting up a playlist made of whatever music i feel like listening to in any format
-having dozens of separate digital stores all offering me different bargains on thousands of titles
-being able to record footage or take screenshots at any quality i want and edit them with the same production suites i use for everything else
-having the entire game library i've been building up over the last couple of decades ready to run from my desktop
-alt-tabbing to read a GAF post in the 30 seconds before the round starts
-throwing a stream open on my second monitor while playing a particularly passive game
-rolling up my FOV slider to gain a little more perspective
-rolling down my video settings to give me a higher framerate
-being able to upgrade any part of my hardware without being locked out of my entire back-catalogue
i don't consider these things back-of-the-box bullet points, i consider them essential elements of a dignified experience. by comparison, console gaming couldn't be less convenient.
I did and i have to say i will instantly dismiss something that is way more expensive and offers me only a fraction of the games i want to play the most
The graphics are not that important (or that much worse on consoles) to make me not dismiss it outright
I always like this argument. I literally haven't bought a pc game at over £20 in the past 10 years, most are bought sub £10. And whats really fantastic is that, because of this a lot of the time I actually enjoy buying games I like again that cost up to £5 and gifting them to my friends, who then gift games to me at random.
I seriously love how gifting works across steam, I really want to see the consoles adopt it when they eventually hit the deep discounts. Perhaps its just my friends but its a heck of a lot of fun
SwiftDeath
Member
You do realize many of the things you describe in no way would be quantified by "convenience" right?
But by "functionality"?
I highly recommend not engaging in a conversation on matters you know very little about.
@bolded, that's grossly inaccurate and thoroughly ignorant.
Genuine question, how things been on the AMD side? Any probs at all? I haven't used an AMD graphics card since they were called ATI. I'm considering the switch when I make a mini ITX steam machine
Always like reading your posts, I think it's entirely reasonable if people prefers a 360 over PS3/PC solely for CAVE games.
you do realise those terms are in no way mutually exclusive?
you also might want to do a quick dictionary run on the word "quantify".
Basically.
A whole new system with 0% of the games in the PC catalog. You can't see where they're coming from?
I'm sure you have a bristling PS4 game trading circle between your friends. You have to be open to the idea that some people in PC gaming are totally beyond the point of thinking about retail games as a thing, and for good reason. It's inconvenient and expensive.
We're all about the coordinated playtime hours Steam Family Sharing now. Friends on the other side of the globe have never been so convenient. ;D
I do not endorse abusing this.
SwiftDeath
Member
Of course not, almost all of what is being discussed in here is of a subjective measure but several of your quips are added functionalities from PC gaming and while certainly a valid point of argument etc. would not fit within such a comparison between consoles and PCs as convenient
How is getting more perspective or framerate convenience?
The state of being able to proceed with something with little effort or difficulty. If you don't want those things, I guess they're just functions.
i play games, sometimes i want a higher framerate or a little wider field of view. it's pretty convenient that i just so happen to have the option there to give me them.
this isn't complicated.
if consoles had that option but it required a firmware hack, that would certainly be considered less convenient. as it is, they don't have that option at all.
SwiftDeath
Member
Hmm so then subjectively one could argue framerate and perspective differences as being a convenience factor?
I just find that odd although I guess it fits somewhat within the definition of the word. I would never use it like that in real life though. Can't even think of a good analogy to use on that one
Right and I would quantify that as added functionality as it is an entirely binary comparison. PCs have that option, Consoles don't
Therefore one is not more convenient than the other as its simply not possible no matter the inconvenience to achieve it on said consoles
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Personally, I've had zero problems. I've owned both NVIDIA and AMD, and I personally found AMD to provide a much better product than NVIDIA for the price.
AMD's older cards (like 2 years ago) were a little weak on the software side, but as of last year I feel like the parity is equal, all while you save monies.
Hell, the only thing that gives me problem is my HDD. Need to move to SSD soon!
the word convenience doesn't exist purely as a comparative between two similar implementations. that is a completely bizarre and arbitrary interpretation and i have no idea how you arrived at it.
SwiftDeath
Member
How would you be able to feel something is convenient without experiencing/comparing it to something that is inconvenient? It has always been a relative term in my mind
Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convenience
Thanks, you've made me an AMD convert for the foreseeable future! I just need to determine if the hybrid HDD/SSDs are good or not and i'm set!
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
I think one of you guys is arguing that having to choose between options is inconvenient, while the other is arguing that not having any options is inconvenient. Am I getting that right?
I still own my PS3 so I can play the old games including PS3-only exclusives as well as the new PS4 games as they come out. If someone is just getting into gaming then they're probably much better off just buying a $200 PS3 right now than either a $400 PS4 or $$$ gaming PC anyways.
My entry into the thread was talking about console gaming as a whole.
I've been able to borrow really any last gen game I wanted to since 2006 so I'm sure the same will apply to current gen as people start making the jump. I understand not everybody has that option but these are my reasons for being a console gamer.
Heavy discounts apply to both PC and console games. Console versions of Dishonored can be had for $8-$10 this weekend, for example. I just wanted to talk about MSRP since a lot of people don't wait to buy games and if you don't like your PC game, you're stuck with it whereas you can trade in or sell a console game for much of what was paid.
this argument is no more complex than understanding that sometimes being able to do something is convenient and not being able to do it is inconvenient.
if this is incompatible with your thinking, that's something you're going to want to get fixed.
SwiftDeath
Member
Simply that without the option it is not a convenience debate but added functionality
But convenience IS a relative concept
What makes getting milk from the gas station convenient? Because getting it from a grocery store is less convenient
copelandmaster
Member
I think NVIDIA has a good point... that people should definitely consider getting a PC instead of a next gen console.
More games, higher resolutions, much cooler future outlook (Oculus, 4k, G-sync), cheaper games, Mods, etc.
Invest in a high spec PC now (760/770 or 280x/290), and get one of the 3 consoles for exclusives down the line after they have had a price drop or two and a larger library of desirable exclusives.
More games, higher resolutions, much cooler future outlook (Oculus, 4k, G-sync), cheaper games, Mods, etc.
Invest in a high spec PC now (760/770 or 280x/290), and get one of the 3 consoles for exclusives down the line after they have had a price drop or two and a larger library of desirable exclusives.
this is the view from my couch from a shitty camera phone adding a weird yellow tint...just moved so this is the quick and dirty.
wireless 360 controller for the PC which is under a desk with a monitor. Wireless KB with touch screen if I just want to use that by itself. Wireless mouse for playing ARPG/Moba/strategy, genres I now love but never would have known about had it not been for PC.
Media functionality?
Itunes-my entire library available and controllable with my iPhone. Also nice for listening to while playing loot/grinding style games.
NFL Sunday ticket online from purchase of Madden
Netflix/Prime Instant Video/HBO Go/Watch ESPN
Chrome browser allows for easy zooming in and out of web pages.
Cost
I spent $30 for Blacklist and AC IV.
In 3 years on pc have probably paid $60 for about 5 games, and I play every big game day one.
I can't imagine anything being more convenient. I think if more people knew how easy this is they'd do it in a heart beat. It wasn't cheap however.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
LOL! Right on. If it matters, my PC is a few years old. The only recent upgrade (and by recent I mean a year ago) was an increase of RAM to 16GB and my newer AMD card which is 2GB HD 6950 (which maybe pretty ancient for PC Gaming GAF). Me and my brother use the exact same card on two different gaming machines (I use AMD Processor and he's using Intel. He used to have NVIDIA card but transitioned after seeing my PC's performance when playing Battlefield). I can play all the latest games on Medium/High settings without any hiccups.
I cheapened out on the HDD and it gives me one BSOD every 6 months (It's either the bad card, or that I have a lot or external devices connected that have very bad drivers with no alternatives), which I can live with but its scary because I have A LOT of files in their that I'm too lazy to backup. I'll do it when I made the SSD transition.
Hybrid drives are pretty good and gives a nice balance between the two. SSD are getting cheaper by the month so keep your eye out on it.
BUT CAN YOU PLAY UNCHARTED
this is the view from my couch from a shitty camera phone adding a weird yellow tint...just moved so this is the quick and dirty.
wireless 360 controller for the PC which is under a desk with a monitor. Wireless KB with touch screen if I just want to use that by itself. Wireless mouse for playing ARPG/Moba/strategy, genres I now love but never would have known about had it not been for PC.
Media functionality?
Itunes-my entire library available and controllable with my iPhone. Also nice for listening to while playing loot/grinding style games.
NFL Sunday ticket online from purchase of Madden
Netflix/Prime Instant Video/HBO Go/Watch ESPN
Chrome browser allows for easy zooming in and out of web pages.
Cost
I spent $30 for Blacklist and AC IV.
In 3 years on pc have probably paid $60 for about 5 games, and I play every big game day one.
I can't imagine anything being more convenient. I think if more people knew how easy this is they'd do it in a heart beat. It wasn't cheap however.
What you get out of PC gaming is dependent on how much you're willing to put in, both in terms of time and effort. Maintaining a properly functioning gaming rig gets much easier the more you learn about how computers work and how to avoid problems before you have to fix them, but I can totally understand why someone would sacrifice performance and choice for stability and low maintenance by choosing a console.
Pros and cons of an open platform, I guess.
Pros and cons of an open platform, I guess.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
I've never liked how there's several different clients you have to use to play a lot of games. Steam, Origin, GFWL (R.I.P.), Uplay, Battle.net, LoL has its own client as do a lot of other games. This isn't convenient in any way shape or form. I'm going to like having it all under one universal umbrella. Before you could argue that having all of these different clients/storefronts meant you can get games cheaper on PC due to undercutting but now with full games on Amazon for PS4 that advantage is gone. Here's the Amazon PSN thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=724072
And why not just get a PS4 and get it over with ?
I will be able to play Witcher 3 and later Ni no Kuni 2 and FF15 with just 400$
Makes more sense to save and get a PC later, because earning a 100$ from a console price drop after 4-5 years is nothing comparing to how much better of a PC than PS4 you could get in 4-5 years and at half the price of the top PC today
jim-jam bongs
Member
No, correlation is not causation. It may be convenient because you are already stopping there to fill up, or because there is a petrol station on the way home from work. It may be more convenient than the grocery store because of one of those factors, but that fact is not what makes it convenient to begin with.
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
Why would you want to. I played the first game. It was crap.
Finaika
Member
Is Ni no Kuni 2 confirmed?
Still a rumor, but a good one, the rumor starter is very reliable
Also
http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/49763/ni-no-kuni-developer-working-on-ps4-title
2 was rly fun!
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Cyber you never played 2 or 3...Bro you missed out.
Purely referencing next-gen consoles.
I actually just picked up a PS3, but that won't be my prime gaming console going forward, which makes it irrelevant to this discussion.
XB1 is largely considered redundant when you have a PC already. Subjectively, I'm not even the target demographic for Microsoft anymore, seems like they are going after the 10-14 year old male.
I know you are being sarcastic, but I honestly prefer Tomb Raider at 1080p60 to Uncharted. And I love Uncharted, but I can't go back to 720p30 with drops. Uncharted 3 was great, especially the real time water level, but the jaggies and frame rate put a damper on it, same for TlOU and GTAV. In this regard, we should give DICE props for doing 60 fps this gen...that's even more important than playing at the native res of your monitor.
Nice! You've played it about the same as I was. Good point about the SSDs, pricing should be a lot better even in a few months. I was think of starting out fairly mid-high end next year, with the exception of the graphics card that I can splash out on. I want to see how DDR4 takes off and wait till things get a bit more affordable then jump on. Hopefully we won't see any of the crazy RAM pricing collusion that went on back when ddr3 was on the growing phase
Finaika
Member
Tomb Raider was 720p @ 30fps too.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
No one is asking you to buy a PC for just one game. It's okay to prefer non PC games, I don't see a reason to buy a PC if one is only going to play multiplats, (despite how better they may be).
Hell you may be able to play FFXV or Ni no Kuni for $350 if the game is released in 2015 or something. Cyberpunk 2077 for $250, even. (But at that point it is just a matter or whether you are willing to play a western rpg released in 2016 on 2013's hardware).
hemtae
Member
Eh. Naughty Dog lost me with that series but I suppose the people dissatisfied with Uncharted are outnumbered by the rest.
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