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Nvidia: Obvious and almost identical statement to ones that have been said many times by Nvidia - recently because they are bitter.
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Nvidia: Gamers should not limit their options to PS4/XB1; PC is the way to go
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Nvidia: Obvious and almost identical statement to ones that have been said many times by Nvidia - recently because they are bitter.
Also, they sell cards less powerful for twice the cost or more so forget them.
metalmachine
Member
This though PC is not without a plethora of piñatas...I mean advantages. (And some disadvantages)
"Enthusiast players". I'm an enthusiast player, I have a *vast* gaming collection spanning several eras, and I'm not obsessed with the pursuit of power. It's adopting a flattering term and co-opting it into their ecosystem when that's not deserved.
There is an underlying implication that if you're not chasing power, you're not a real enthusiast. Something of a No True Scotsman thing.
Well said! And don't get me started on how pc gamers have to use a mouse/keyboard since they can't use a gamepad.
Also, windows 95 crashes all the time.
cripterion
Member
I hear ya fellas, I hear ya. Now send me one of them 780Ti!
The Smoking Bun
Banned
Nobody is offended and Nvidia is correct. However, they need not state the obvious, should let people make their own decisions with how they spend their time/money and stop being salty because they did not get the contracts for the consoles this gen. This statement has been one of several in a span of few months.
20cent
Banned
Ok my bad, I only use my controller for TPS or single player "console" FPS.
No one platform has it ALL, obviously. I don't get your point. In an ideal world, everybody could buy all the platforms and never have to worry about this. But that's just not how it is.
disastermouse
Banned
I laughed.
Being silent in a competition is the worse they can do, they have to sell their products, man.
Unknown One
Member
Yeah PS4/PC over here Nvidia.
I really have no idea.
Every single piece of software you run on consoles is fully encrypted and uses proprietary APIs without public documentation. It doesn't get any more DRM than that.
Just because it's the truth doesn't mean it won't antagonize some people. In fact, it seems like truths are often more antagonizing. And yes, NVidia can do (and has done) plenty of wrong. Advertising their products by pointing out their superiority is not part of that though.
You have read this thread, right?
Are we seriously devolving to the level of subjective list wars?
Here's a list of most RPGs set for English release in 2014, including their platform (note that all but one of the "multi" titles are on PC as well). That's at least objective.
Code:
Battle Dialogue Separate Maps
Name Party Perspective Coop Structure Time Pos. Trees Checks World Battle Platform
Age of Decadence - Isometric - Open TB Squares Yes Yes Yes - PC
Atelier Escha & Logy Yes Fixed Cam - Open TB Rows - - Yes Yes PS3
Blackguards Yes Isometric - Linear TB Hexes ? ? ? ? PC
Bravely Default Yes Fixed Cam - Linear TB None - - ? ? 3DS
Child of Light Yes Side Yes Linear TB None - - ? ? Multi
Cosmic Star Heroine Yes 2D Top Down - Linear TB None ? ? ? - PC
Dark Souls II - 3rd Person Yes Open Action Free - - - - Multi
Dead State Yes Isometric - Open TB Squares Yes Yes ? - PC
Divinity: Original Sin Yes Isometric Yes Open TB Free Yes Yes - - PC
Dragon Age: Inquisition Yes 3rd Person ? Bioware Action Free Yes Yes ? - Multi
Drakengard 3 ? ? - ? Action Free ? ? ? - PS3
Grim Dawn - Isometric Yes Open Action Free - - - - PC
Legend of Grimrock 2 Yes 1st Person - ? Action Squares ? ? - - PC
Lighting Returns: FF XIII - 3rd Person - ? Action Free - - ? ? Multi
Lords of Xulima Yes Iso / FP - ? TB Rows Yes ? ? Yes PC
Might & Magic X: Legacy Yes 1st Person - Open TB Rows Yes Yes - - PC
Project Eternity Yes Isometric - Open RTwP Free Yes Yes Yes - PC
Shadowrun: Dragonfall Yes Isometric - Open TB Squares Yes Yes - - PC
South Park: The Stick of Yes Side - ? TB None Yes ? ? Yes Multi
Tales of Xillia 2 Yes Fixed Cam Yes Linear Action Free - - Yes Yes PS3
The Banner Saga Yes Iso / Side - Linear TB Squares ? ? ? Yes PC
Wasteland 2 Yes Isometric - Open TB Squares Yes Yes Yes - PC
Witcher 3: Wild Hunt - 3rd Person - Open Action Free Yes ? - - Multi
X Yes 3rd Person ? ? Action Free - - - - WiiUNvidia earned their anti-consumer hate: Overpriced products, walled garden bullshit (Shield, 3d, gsync, etc), XB1-like PR
The products are still quality but they've lost a lot of ground on the forum boards much like Microsoft/Xbox did. And now struggling companies and rivals like AMD/Sony will be hailed as pro-consumer instead of anti, or at least appear to be
All that said: I think by midway to the end of this new generation we'll see a shift towards HTPC's and Steam Machines, Oculus Rift, etc. Nvidia and Steam can offer a lot of game bundles to sweeten the deal too. Consoles nowadays are basically PC's anyway
The products are still quality but they've lost a lot of ground on the forum boards much like Microsoft/Xbox did. And now struggling companies and rivals like AMD/Sony will be hailed as pro-consumer instead of anti, or at least appear to be
All that said: I think by midway to the end of this new generation we'll see a shift towards HTPC's and Steam Machines, Oculus Rift, etc. Nvidia and Steam can offer a lot of game bundles to sweeten the deal too. Consoles nowadays are basically PC's anyway
I think the point is that 'enthusiast gamers' would be more concerned with the games.
alexandros
Banned
In my opinion, traditional console gaming has served its historical purpose and now it's time for it to die off naturally. In the past, when PC technology was expensive and way too difficult to configure properly, console gaming offered a cheap and easy way into gaming for the masses. Now, with both Sony and Microsoft packaging PC components in a box and pretending like they're selling something unique, it is more clear than ever that the old way of doing things is obsolete.
Microsoft and Sony want everyone to think that PC gaming is this scary, daunting thing that will bite your head off if you look at it the wrong way. A lot of people have discovered over the past few years that this isn't true and, hopefully, Steam Machines will manage to convince even more that freedom of choice and options is never a bad thing. In my mind PC is without a shadow of a doubt the way to go for the whole gaming industry.
Microsoft and Sony want everyone to think that PC gaming is this scary, daunting thing that will bite your head off if you look at it the wrong way. A lot of people have discovered over the past few years that this isn't true and, hopefully, Steam Machines will manage to convince even more that freedom of choice and options is never a bad thing. In my mind PC is without a shadow of a doubt the way to go for the whole gaming industry.
I'm an enthusiast RPG gamer. Consider the table above.
iamshadowlark
Banned
Yeah they should be ashamed for dragging Nvidia and there GPUs through the mud. Oh wait, they don't need to so they don't.
These threads do end up the same. Comments from one ex console gpu supplier, usually trying to downplay consoles. Console guys yelling salt and they like. And PC guys trying to palliate the nature and intent of the comments because they may or may not be true.
Lol what? Pc games don't use encryption and propriety data formats? PC games don't utilize Draconian style DRM systems(uplay anyone)?
Why the heck do people keep saying their being salty? What the heck you want them to say? Sony keeps bringing up the fact that PS4 is the most powerful console ever made. Nvidia states there's something more superior than consoles. Sony stated a fact, and so did Nvidia. Yet Nvidia is always said to be salty when they declined Sony's deal because of business,
No salt, just truth. I guess people want Nvidia to say we regret not being apart of any consoles.
No salt, just truth. I guess people want Nvidia to say we regret not being apart of any consoles.
The Smoking Bun
Banned
Bingo. Nvidia are not saints. They are just like Microsoft and the rest except they use their OPEN platform to appear better.
Where does Nintendo fit in? What about my Mario's and Zelda's Nvidia? Why should I play on PC if I cannot get those games? I don't mean emulators.
That's another thing!
Sony: Boy! PS4 is GREATNESS!!
Nvidia: Consoles suck!! Come to PC land because Titan and game recording!
See the difference? Nvidia feels threatened by consoles.
I expect you get similarly aggrieved anytime Sony mentions that they have the most powerful console then right? I mean, no need to state the obvious! Just let people make up their own minds!
I seriously just don't think a lot of people understand how PR works at all.
the hell? 780 ti is the faster card on the market, 780 is not double the price of 290x nor that less powerful.
I just built my first gaming PC in June. I don't know what else to tell people, you slap some paste on the processor and the rest is just legos. For just a little effort you get a gaming experience that is leaps and bounds anything the PS4 could hope to offer. Cost $1,500 including a 144hz monitor. I guess that is prohibitive to some in the younger crowd. But you save so much money on games that you make back the difference within a year.
famousmortimer
Banned
Well, I haven't used the word salty because fuck the word salty. But, yes, sometimes I just want a company to shut the fuck up. Is it logical? Probably not. But it's not my job to be logical. I can buy whatever I want. Capitalism ho!
jim-jam bongs
Member
Nvidia are so salty, haha. We all know that they make no money, and their share price is in the toilet.
Master Thespian
Member
;_;
ChiefofCitadelSecurity
Member
Recent sales say otherwise.
Can't you buy a PC today that grossly outperforms any console for roughly the price of a PS4 and 6-8 years of PS+, which is basically required to get the most out of your console experience?
Sony states, that their product is superior to competitor's products.
Analogue to this would be nVidia bragging about the fastest GPU ever made.
Yet they must mention consoles. Do you remember them mentioning consoles last gen? Last years of last gen when gap has become really huge? (unlike it is now)
You get free games with PSN+, so it probably evens out the cost.
PS
And why not have both...
alexandros
Banned
I appreciate your honesty. "I don't like them because they belittle my favorite company" is a lot more honest than trying to come up with bogus arguments that haven't been true for years.
Too soon to draw a conclusion from these numbers. The WiiU had a great start as well.
And yes, I think it's perfectly reasonable that the PC is a superior choice for the enthusiast RPG gamer (I'd also add, though, if we were to look at releases from 2013, wouldn't the 3DS have the edge there?). Of course, many PC of the highest-profile PC RPGs from that list... aren't particularly demanding on hardware power anyway.
Besides that... I'm an enthusiast gamer. I don't specialise in a single genre. Where can I find the best platformers? 2D and 3D? RPGs? Well, PC has a clear edge for RPGs in general, but JRPGs I think you'd be better off with a 3DS, or possibly a PS3, particularly in light of the forthcoming Persona 5. Driving? PC does okay for sims, but for more arcadey fare, I think the consoles have a better lineup, and for the sillier Mario Kart stuff there's no contest. There's some genres that are unequivocally best on PC, of course; it's serving my needs for point-and-click adventures very well, I'm pleased to say.
That's the thing: There's a *ton* of nuance, and just stating that the enthusiast gamer should pick PC because it's just Better is going to leave you with some - subjectively, of course - inferior options. Far better for the enthusiast gamer to go where the games they want to play are.
I told you, I also game on PC (SC2, XCOM, HOMM), why did you bother coming up with this BS?
megabytecr
Member
Yep Nvidia, this is what I am going to do, but I will get a card that is a good value for performance, so not sure if it is going to be Nvidia.
I am not paying for that paywall BS.
Where I live a PS4 costs around $750-$800 without games, add $80 for a game and 5 years of PS+ $200 that is $1280. A well rounded PC (i5 with 280X) will cost me $1000-$1200. So yeah for me it makes sense to go PC first and then get another console, will be easier to pick one based on exclusives.
Huge Back catalog
Very cheap games
Free MP
This coupled with my Wii U and 3DS is enough. PS4 3-4 years down the road as a SP console for exclusives is an option.
I am not paying for that paywall BS.
Where I live a PS4 costs around $750-$800 without games, add $80 for a game and 5 years of PS+ $200 that is $1280. A well rounded PC (i5 with 280X) will cost me $1000-$1200. So yeah for me it makes sense to go PC first and then get another console, will be easier to pick one based on exclusives.
Huge Back catalog
Very cheap games
Free MP
This coupled with my Wii U and 3DS is enough. PS4 3-4 years down the road as a SP console for exclusives is an option.
Guess they got to steal from AMD's thunder. I wasn't around for how they acted
Last gen though. Didn't keep up with things associated with PC gaming. Wasn't interested in it at all at the time.
I'll take note of what you said about their behavior then.
alexandros
Banned
I would like to argue against this. It would be far better for the enthusiast gamer to go to the more consumer-friendly platform and, by doing so, force publishers to bring the games to him. The enthusiast gamer spends a lot of money on games, he has the most to lose by supporting anti-consumer practices and locked down platforms.
I'm gonna buy an Xbox One because I think 720p is better than 1080p. Capitalism!
iamshadowlark
Banned
This is very cute.
alexandros
Banned
Why thank you, you're not so bad looking yourself ;-)
Boombloxer
Member
We've gone through this before, but it's still the most cost-friendly way into gaming. Steam machines, etc aren't really going to change people's minds, there are large groups of players who simply have no interest in PC gaming.
And I disagree, both are the way to go. A lot of genres sell best on console, period. That audience isn't going anywhere.
So, a salty statement is accurate, nothing to see here.
They're not free if you lose them the minute you don't renew your subscription.
Well, I agree that there obviously are good games which are exclusive to consoles. I have a PS3 for that reason -- and every other "last-gen" console and handheld for that matter. The fact that some games are bound to these hardware DRM boxes is regrettable, but does significantly increase their appeal. However, there are also tons of good games which are exclusive to PC.
And, FWIW, the thread title is "Gamers should not limit their options to PS4/XB1", not "Gamers should limit their options to PC". I fully agree with the former but not the latter.
shinobi602
Member
PS4 and Xbox One actually have third party support though.
Because I have a pc in my living room. Also, a sofa in my living room. So yeah, welcome to 2013!
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