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[traveler]

The potential for asymmetrical gameplay with the pad is huge (and who doesn't love some good ol' Pandora Tomorrow spies vs. mercs?) but that type of gameplay is just going to be very hard to build and sell a game around in today's console market. A purely local multiplayer focused title? Good luck with that. I would love to see it but I think that sort of support would be more likely to come from the PC's indie scene than Nintendo's own first party. Unfortunately, the gamepad's potential will probably go unfulfilled.

I'd say the touchscreen controller is more Nintendo going bankrupt on new ideas and just trying to shove the success of the DS platforms onto their home system than really following mobile trends.



Fuck spending $400+ on new machines, some of the best entertainment of the year comes entirely free.

It's true, neither Sony nor Microsoft nor even Nintendo in all likelihood will be able to best this year's true gaming overlord, even with all 5- 7 years that this generation will have.

 

[Usobuko]

5:3 ratio is about what I'm expecting for PS4 vs XB1. The only question is if Sony can continue this stream of good results in face of Titanfall next year. My gut instinct is that's not a problem for them.

 

[Dion Blaster]

3D Worlds sales are limits by the console it is on.

I know it's a natural consequence, it just sucks.

 

[polyh3dron]

I do find it sad though people celebrating Knack doing better than mario. Knack is a shit game.

I have both, Mario is 3D Land on the big screen and Knack is an actual next gen console experience.

A well deserved victory for the better game.

Mario is like the over-the-hill Japanese pro wrestler, kickboxer and/or MMA fighter going into his retirement match and getting brutally beaten.

 

[Piers]

Of course. Playstation in the UK is considered proper, and Nintendo back to being for massive, socially awkward geeks.

 

[SwiftDeath]

The potential for asymmetrical gameplay with the pad is huge (and who doesn't love some good ol' Pandora Tomorrow spies vs. mercs?) but that type of gameplay is just going to be very hard to build and sell a game around in today's console market. A purely local multiplayer focused title? Good luck with that. I would love to see it but I think that sort of support would be more likely to come from the PC's indie scene than Nintendo's own first party. Unfortunately, the gamepad's potential will probably go unfulfilled.

Personally I find that idea of local multiplayer very interesting BUT it should be a secondary or tertiary boon to the console. In no way shape or form should it be the main distinguishing point of a console. It is such a hard thing to try and sell people on

 

[TheBanditKing]

Listen to the community, sell a fuck ton of consoles...who would have guessed. Thats nuts about Mario, but Mario always has legs and will sell while Knack will fade into launch obscurity, but Iwata is going to hear it from stockholders.

 

[Inversive]

So many salty Nintendo fans shitting on Knack. Let's just say the best game won.

 

[traveler]

Personally I find that idea of local multiplayer very interesting BUT it should be a secondary or tertiary boon to the console. In no way shape or form should it be the main distinguishing point of a console. It is such a hard thing to try and sell people on

And I think Nintendo sees it the same way, honestly. The gamepad is perfectly functional- even good- as a controller. Sure, you've got poor battery life, but you could also use the pro if needed and you've got the built in remote play as a trade off. Their first party games continue to focus on delivering the same top tier quality while using the pad in supplementary ways rather than making it take center stage. (Aside from Nintendo Land, which WAS local mp focused and quite the blast when you actually got a group together)

 

[Dion Blaster]

Opinions are opinions but it's hilarious that people are using these sales to claim that Knack is the better game.

 

[Mrbob]

Listen to the community, sell a fuck ton of consoles...who would have guessed. Thats nuts about Mario, but Mario always has legs and will sell while Knack will fade into launch obscurity, but Iwata is going to hear it from stockholders.

Yeah Knack will face plant next week but it was, what, the 7th best selling PS4 game? Mario has no competition at all on WiiU. Sad to see as Mario is the much better game but it goes to show the benefit of an active user base.

 

[Ashes]

Do you think so? In that tiny screen it has? How?


What has "off-tv" to do with the mobile market? And the controller has buttons, joystics, a resistive screen.... what has that to do with the tablets?
This is a controller with a screen attached to it, which is something Nintendo has been pushing since the old days.


A launch game like ZombiU wouldn't be possible without that controller. At least as it is now.
Nintendo Land was another showcase of gameplay experiences not possible without that gamepad.

On the other hand, yes, it's all a matter of potential and not reality, just like how we all know that the PS4 would have better graphics than the WiiU even before seeing the first PS4 game.

It's all about potential. If PS4 was limited to IOs cheap ports of indie developments then the WiiU could very well end with games more technically impressive, but we all knew this wasn't the case, and since launch the WiiU has demonstrated to be something different and unique.

It's just that innovating the gameplay or the UI is not as important as to improve the graphics to the mainstream public.


Yes, this is why they launched Zelda 4 swords and co-developed FF:CC, because they were running out of ideas and had to copy the DS idea with the GBA and the GC and... oh wait!

The other consoles makers didn't include a touch screen because you keep having to look from the TV to the small screen.

 

[BurnOutBrighter]

If you're feeling sorry for me, I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but games ain't one.

I got Bayonetta on stack fa sho
Mario Kart gonna come out and ya’ll’s mouths’ll close
Game critics say U’s has no game is gettin old
I’m a gamer stupid what type of facts is those

If you grew up with Bros. in your Marios
You'd celebrate the minute you got 3D Worl'
I'm like fuck journos, you can kiss my whole Wiimote
If you don't like the touchscreen you can use the Pro

Got beef with Nintendo cos our sales are low?
They don't play my games, I don't give a shit so
Game mags tell me go third party
So publishers can peddle more DLC, fuckers
I don't know what you take me as
or understand the readiness that Reggie has
I'm from NES to Wii U bitches I ain't dumb

I got 99 problems but my games ain't one

 

[Prince Vultan]

Opinions are opinions but it's hilarious that people are using these sales to claim that Knack is the better game.

Maybe some of them just like it better, no?

I know a lot of the shitposting about Knack in this very thread has been coming from people who have not played it. Deciding something is "shit" because, what? It has the audacity to dare sell a bit better than their beloved Mario? That's just the fucking pits imo.

 

[RamzaIsCool]

I don't get the fixation on Knack! It is what it is, for better or worse it did alright numbers. What does that have to do with Nintendo's situation is beyond me.

Here you have a platform (WiiU) that will have a hard time clearing the 3 million mark this fiscal year. The third party developers that are left are ready to jump out and Nintendo doesn't have the pipeline into place to release games on a regular basis. Also pretty much every game released this year has tanked on the thing. Dunno, but imo there are better and more urgent things to talk about then frickin Knack!

 

[Nicktendo86]

I have both, Mario is 3D Land on the big screen and Knack is an actual next gen console experience.

A well deserved victory for the better game.

Mario is like the over-the-hill Japanese pro wrestler, kickboxer and/or MMA fighter going into his retirement match and getting brutally beaten.

I've read this a few times in this thread but could you explain how knack is a true next gen experience compared to sm3dw, in spite of what 99% of reviews state? In what ways does knack actually advance 3d action/adventure platformers? Or is it just cool to shit on Nintendo now?

 

[IncandescentPrecept]

Yeah Knack will face plant next week but it was, what, the 7th best selling PS4 game? Mario has no competition at all on WiiU Sad to see as Mario is the much better selling game but it goes to show the benefit of an active user base.

Only because the PS4 is sold out. It would probably have outsold Mario next week too if it wasn't for that.

 

[Pistolero]

Really angry at Nintendo. They had the whole deck in hand three years ago, and dealt themselves the worst cards,nonstop. I fear the damage they 'd done by ignoring third party developers, since the N64, is now simply irrerparable.
Impressive launch for the PS4, but the real test will start around March-April 2014, where the launch hype is no longer the main sales' driver.

 

[Dion Blaster]

Maybe some of them just like it better, no?

I know a lot of the shitposting about Knack in this very thread has been coming from people who have not played it. Deciding something is "shit" because, what? It has the audacity to dare sell a bit better than their beloved Mario? That's just the fucking pits imo.

Stuff like "the better game won" etc. Like polyh3dron's post. I agree that Knack is not shit, those posts are obviously immature. I don't think it was particularly good though. And 3D World was pretty objectively amazing, it's just sad to see such a good game having bad sales be celebrated. Of course it is mainly due to the disaster of a platform it was released on.

Edit: my mistake if he was trolling

 

[TheMagician]

I have both, Mario is 3D Land on the big screen and Knack is an actual next gen console experience.

A well deserved victory for the better game.

Mario is like the over-the-hill Japanese pro wrestler, kickboxer and/or MMA fighter going into his retirement match and getting brutally beaten.

This is the worst post I've ever read on this forum.

 

[traveler]

I've read this a few times in this thread but could you explain how knack is a true next gen experience compared to sm3dw, in spite of what 99% of reviews state? In what ways does knack actually advance 3d action/adventure platformers? Or is it just cool to shit on Nintendo now?

It's not a platformer, it's a brawler, so don't compare it to SM3DW.

Spoiler

Compare it to TW101, an actual action game, where the quality to sales disparity is even higher.

 

[Succinct Verbosity]

I can appreciate many gamers wanting to dance on Nintendo's grave after how the supposed 'hardcore' were treated for the past few years, but 3D World and the 3DS library add a level of variety to gaming that compliments the PS4 and Xbox One. As someone who owns a ps4, I can certainly see the need for a shake-up in the Xbone's and PS4's library just as much as there needs to be one with the Wii U.

 

[Alchemy]

So many salty Nintendo fans shitting on Knack. Let's just say the best game won.

I picked up Knack with my PS4, enjoyed it. But 3DS World is definitely the better game. If anything the sales are just an indicator of what the better platform is.

 

[Ashes]

I don't get the fixation on Knack! It is what it is, for better or worse it did alright numbers. What does that have to do with Nintendo's situation is beyond me.

Here you have a platform (WiiU) that will have a hard time clearing the 3 million mark this fiscal year. The third party developers that are left are ready to jump out and Nintendo doesn't have the pipeline into place to release games on a regular basis. Also pretty much every game released this year has tanked on the thing. Dunno, but imo there are better and more urgent things to talk about then frickin Knack!

Knack>Mario (sales wise) makes the same statement you are making more succinctly.
New I.P that reviewed poorly sold better than best selling industry staple that reviwed god tier levels.

 

[B.O.O.M]

bravo

Edit: you know maybe it's just me...Cerny with a beard = Andrew House!!!!


Hats off to the other gifs too Talented bunch here

and I finally caught up with all the posts....I don't need salt for at least two years now

 

[Dragonborn]

5:3 ratio is about what I'm expecting for PS4 vs XB1. The only question is if Sony can continue this stream of good results in face of Titanfall next year. My gut instinct is that's not a problem for them.

A single game won't turn around a consoles fortunes (see Nintendo) especially not one that is also on PC, and 360. Titanfall will move a few consoles, but it won't be the system seller people expect. Keeping it on 360 was a mistake, in my opinion and while there's people that think the 360 version will be radically different, I very much doubt it. It's running on a very flexible engine and hell, if it is 720p on the X1, then the resolution difference won't even be that big. Unless I'm missing something here?

Do people on this board honestly, legitimately believe that Knack is a better game than 3D World? If so... I have lost faith in all mankind.

I very much doubt it. It's just, Knack outselling a main line 3D Mario is pretty telling just how bad Nintendo is doing with the Wii U.

 

[BobTheSpy]

Do people on this board honestly, legitimately believe that Knack is a better game than 3D World? If so... I have lost faith in all mankind.

 

[BGBW]

Opinions are opinions but it's hilarious that people are using these sales to claim that Knack is the better game.

You could say they should knack it off a ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Do people on this board honestly, legitimately believe that Knack is a better game than 3D World? If so... I have lost faith in all mankind.

I often judge the whole of mankind by the posts of a few GAFers.

 

[Uno Venova]

Do people on this board honestly, legitimately believe that Knack is a better game than 3D World? If so... I have lost faith in all mankind.

Heaven forbid it, that's an opinion I just can't handle.

 

[The One and Done™]

Please don't group him with the rest of us. Most of us have managed to retain our common sense, thank you very much.

Apologies, I've gotten too used yo American ignorance.

 

[Nags]

Do you think so? In that tiny screen it has? How?


What has "off-tv" to do with the mobile market? And the controller has buttons, joystics, a resistive screen.... what has that to do with the tablets?
This is a controller with a screen attached to it, which is something Nintendo has been pushing since the old days.


A launch game like ZombiU wouldn't be possible without that controller. At least as it is now.
Nintendo Land was another showcase of gameplay experiences not possible without that gamepad.

On the other hand, yes, it's all a matter of potential and not reality, just like how we all know that the PS4 would have better graphics than the WiiU even before seeing the first PS4 game.

It's all about potential. If PS4 was limited to IOs cheap ports of indie developments then the WiiU could very well end with games more technically impressive, but we all knew this wasn't the case, and since launch the WiiU has demonstrated to be something different and unique.

It's just that innovating the gameplay or the UI is not as important as to improve the graphics to the mainstream public.


Yes, this is why they launched Zelda 4 swords and co-developed FF:CC, because they were running out of ideas and had to copy the DS idea with the GBA and the GC and... oh wait!

1. Okay, so that is what you are saying. I can see that with the DS comparison they are just sort of following suit with their previous ideas. Still hard for me to believe that nothing about it was influenced by tablets.

2. No. I'm not going to resort to lists of indie titles that have been a huge success despite your conjecture that all everyone cares about is graphics in the mainstream. Better graphics or technically more impressive is not the big issue here.

 

[PaulloDEC]

Spoiler

That credits sequence is a treasure-trove.

 

[SwiftDeath]

2. No. I'm not going to resort to lists of indie titles that have been a huge success despite your conjecture that all everyone cares about is graphics in the mainstream. Better graphics or technically more impressive is not the big issue here.

I would suggest looking at Payday 2 sales and graphics

People bought that game for gameplay, shocking in this day and age...

 

[Americanmushroom]

bwahahaha skylars face omg this is so funny!

 

[Steroyd]

Do you think so? In that tiny screen it has? How?

Put it this way, you can do movements on the touchpad without needing to look at another screen, Escape Plan is a game that uses the Vita's touchscreen and it's available as a PS4 game. So it's not impossible.

 

[Ashes]

Do people on this board honestly, legitimately believe that Knack is a better game than 3D World? If so... I have lost faith in all mankind.

Note poor sales tends to suggest lesser people having played the game. But opinions are subjective. And judging humanity by the games they think are better is more silly than thinking knack>Mario.

/trying to show being serious is silly in it self in this case.

 

[SpinningBirdKick]

The news isn't surprising in the slightest.

The Wii U launched with a very mediocre software line up with no compelling reason for any one to buy.

The XBone still leaves a nasty taste in many peoples' mouths due to the anti-consumer reveal policies and Microsoft's PR machines talking down to potential customers as if they were village idiots.

Almost seven years of pent up demand and hunger for new technology.

If anything the only surprise is that the PS4 didn't sell more but it was always going to be supply chain constrained.

 

[soapypanda]

Does the big Knack character give anyone else the creeps? It's like a spiky, sexual nightmare.

 

[Succinct Verbosity]

What I'm interested in is how many games are getting green-lit at the moment. I have to imagine these numbers have re-ignited the games industry and given them the confidence to green light a lot more next-gen only experiences.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Does the big Knack character give anyone else the creeps? It's like a spiky, sexual nightmare.

Man, that's my new go-to phrase for everything now. Thank you.

 

[Steroyd]

I can appreciate many gamers wanting to dance on Nintendo's grave after how the supposed 'hardcore' were treated for the past few years, but 3D World and the 3DS library add a level of variety to gaming that compliments the PS4 and Xbox One. As someone who owns a ps4, I can certainly see the need for a shake-up in the Xbone's and PS4's library just as much as there needs to be one with the Wii U.

The key problem is that Nintendo's library of games is in shit quantity compared to PS4One, and when I say that I include 3rd party, as much as I think EA and COD are shitty there's no denying that's what the bulk of gamers play, they're a necessary evil of sorts.

Nintendo's output alone can't fill out the release schedule 12 out of 12 months in a year.

 

[DarkFlow]

the NA number was a lot more impressive. 250k = meh

guess not many gamers in the UK

Population of the United States: 317,104,210 Sold 1 million = 0.003155 of you population getting one.

Population of the United Kingdom: 63,705,000 Sold 250K = 0.3924 of the population getting one.

Now do you see the difference?

 

[Corto]

the NA number was a lot more impressive. 250k = meh

guess not many gamers in the UK

UK is still recovering from the 150 years War with Japan. They have heavy import taxations on japanese products and a PS4 price is £1000 or $30.000 usd at current rates. This is huge!

 

[TheKastorian]

Well....Sony fully deserves this success but I do hope this is a wake-up call for Nintendo. They are clearly doing something wrong.

 

[batigolalone]

Population of the United States: 317,104,210 Sold 1 million = 0.003155 of you population getting one.

Population of the United Kingdom: 63,705,000 Sold 250K = 0.3924 of the population getting one.

Now do you see the difference?

Check math on second one bro.

 

[dEvAnGeL]

Well....Sony fully deserves this success but I do hope this is a wake-up call for Nintendo. They are clearly doing something wrong.

not doing, DID instead, the Wii U shouldn't exist, at least with the specs it has, third party support has become crucial to sustain a console for many years on the market, as good as Nintendo exclusives are they're not enough this days, sad but true

 

[Nozem]

Population of the United States: 317,104,210 Sold 1 million = 0.003155 of you population getting one.

Population of the United Kingdom: 63,705,000 Sold 250K = 0.3924 of the population getting one.

Now do you see the difference?

You mean 0.003924 for UK.

 

[DarkFlow]

Check math on second one bro.

I used wolfram, blame them!
http://www.wolframalpha.com/share/clip?f=d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e5s6bhn4p5o

 

[Omnistalgic]

TOo early to say the King is back...but I like the trends...

 

[Y2Kev]

I'm so excited to see what will happen with vita when it launches in the UK.