Adventures in trying to install Ryse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rwoqfhw_6Y
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Kotaku: Installing Xbox One games takes way too long; comparison
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Killing_Joke
Member
No one should be okay with these crappy installs.
inpHilltr8r
Member
Same person worked on both pieces of tech.
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Why? Do it once and never again. Been playing games for years. I remember the days of some pc games taking even longer.
Honestly this issue is WAY overblown. Yes it could be a lot faster like ps4 but it's one time. It's the same reason I never complained about ps3 installs. Who cares? I certainly don't.
BoboBrazil
Member
When installs take up 30+ GB on a 500gb hard drive that isn't replaceable taking that long to install is not acceptable. You are going to have to keep deleting and reinstalling games.
I agree that 500GB is too small. For me, installs aren't the problem. Downloads would be. Going mostly digital this gen. The bigger problem is lack of external storage support right now. Considering there aren't enough games to fill up the hdd right now, I'll give them a pass.
wow I had to stop watching after 20 min.
good to see the gaming press not report on this type of stuff.... wow...
Killing_Joke
Member
Next gen = better improved features. PS3 install/load times were very very bad. Play an old game and you will be bombarded with updates that will sometimes take you 20+min just to start the damn thing. And the "never again" isn't very true. For people who aren't going to buy external HDD's (whenever the hell that becomes available) you're going to be stuck with a small HDD and delete/install games constantly.
Zombie James
Banned
What a horrible user experience this is.
You missed the
Someone who gets it....next gen is supposed to be taking steps forwards, not backwards.
TheKastorian
Member
This.
I wonder if people didn't kick up much of a fuss about installing 360 games AS AN OPTION so they didn't think it'd matter too much here? I've been tolerant of installs within reason (what the hell at GT5's) but I'm more than happy to have it happen very fast if it's necessary, doubly so on consoles, and it sounds like Microsoft sort of forgot about this.
Bad screenshot, but after watching the video.. Damn. She is cute.
Anyway, that UI is awful. Gah. Back to cute girl.
AstroNut325
Member
I refuse to believe this is true. Has to be BS. I remember installing 10+ floppy disc games faster than that! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
Because it installs in a different way.
This is my understanding of it, I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong.
Xbox is simply copying the data as letting you play the game once it's reached a minimum % that varies between games.
It's also downloading any updates before it lets you play (which is invisibly incorporated into the disc loading %)
PS4 is essentially running the disc as a game normally would, once those files have been read they are then cached on the HDD. So level 1 is never actually installed until you have played level 1.
It also downloads any patches as you play, but those patches won't take effect until you've next restarted the game.
That Ryse video would obviously vary from person to person. Depends on your local network capability and what your ISP offers. Sounds like those "games are awesome" guys are all canadian and well, if you are even a little bit outside of an urban area the internet sucks hardcore. Even in urban areas speeds can vary considerably.
My personal internet speed is 50 megabits/second and I've had steam downloads hit that , going 5-6 megabytes a second so something like a 1 GB patch right from the get go would still take at least 3 minutes plus patching/installation time. A basic high speed internet package runs about 10-20% as fast so it would indeed take 5-10 times as long to download or 15-30 minutes. That video was also recorded on launch day when xbox' servers were likely a bit clogged and running slower then usual so even a fast connection to their server might not mean you get a good download speed.
All that said, 30 minutes is a fairly absurd amount of time to wait for a single player campaign to load up, if there's one part of a game that shouldn't require such a lengthy wait time it ought to be the single player portion.
My personal internet speed is 50 megabits/second and I've had steam downloads hit that , going 5-6 megabytes a second so something like a 1 GB patch right from the get go would still take at least 3 minutes plus patching/installation time. A basic high speed internet package runs about 10-20% as fast so it would indeed take 5-10 times as long to download or 15-30 minutes. That video was also recorded on launch day when xbox' servers were likely a bit clogged and running slower then usual so even a fast connection to their server might not mean you get a good download speed.
All that said, 30 minutes is a fairly absurd amount of time to wait for a single player campaign to load up, if there's one part of a game that shouldn't require such a lengthy wait time it ought to be the single player portion.
Mr. Waffle
Member
Did they report on the terrible PS3 download and install, forced installs, patching, etc?
boredandlazy
Member
Sort of irrelevant. This is hardware designed in 2013, it should be held to higher standards.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Sony approach to installation is pretty damn effective, but I didn't realize One would be that long from disc to play, yeesh.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Umm yes, like the entire generation.
The 360 always did it better. While you have a point you ignored the one I just gave.
We are talking about gaming press reporting it, not about people mentioning it on message boards.
First of all they are installing off a disc so I don't see how Internet speeds are even relevant unless you're talking about patches (which hopefully don't have to be installed for the game to boot because that would be a disaster). Secondly they have an insane connection speed so even if Internet was relevant it shouldn't be a factor.
Tbh the commutation to the user during the situation is atrocious.
Mr. Waffle
Member
Go read reviews, and news about MGS4 the media pitched a huge fit over that games mandatory instal... If I remember that was the first one that was really blown up. Really the media used the PS3 as a punching bag all generation. Some of it deserved... but carried too far most of the time. Just like the XBO will be treated this generation.
I just searched google and found numerous hits for this news. Point is it seems to be garnering adequate attention. I don't think the conspiracy the person I originally quoted exists.
I believe the PS3/x360 can do that to. He's talking about playing a game while a disk based game is installing.
Mr. Waffle
Member
I don't remember the media giving props to the Sony first party games that used similar streaming on the PS3. None of the uncharted games had long installs... I don't remember day one patches for them either... but it's been awhile... I might be a bit foggy on that last one... lol
Mr. Waffle
Member
His was a bit of a blanket statement... but it did happen.
They actually had special articles just on ps3 installation
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-gt5-installation-blog-entry
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-masseffect2-install-blog-entry
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-gt5-installation-blog-entry
http://kotaku.com/5955384/minor-console-aggravation-those-darn-ps3-installations
http://www.techhelpfox.com/3474565/...-Video-Feed-Of-The-Dmc4-Ps3-Mandatory-Install
This is evidence of bias?
It was an issue to have articles dedicated to it. You can also manually look at face offs were installation was talked about. Yet none were mention in any face off for ps4/xb1 by DF that I recall. You don't find it unique that after writing those articles about ps3 install time , they failed to mention time of 45 min to hour for ryse? Hell , they wrote a love letter to ryse on its technical achievements but forgot to mention anything about this record breaking installation time.
Edit: not that I care. But posting since you asked
IHaveCandy
Banned
Yeah that and doors needing to be mashed open. It's still a far better experience.
you are right... it is crazy.
And it does not matter for forum wars really. But if you are media, you are supposed to inform perspective buyers of the differences between products they are looking to purchase...
boredandlazy
Member
Yes the 360 did it better. The PS3 sucked at it. Everyone knew it.
What's the point in bringing up the media backlash for last gen? Almost every game comparison mentioned the install size etc. of the PS3 version. There were countless articles every time new info about a games' install size came out.
The fact the XBOne has gone backwards deserves to be derided.
I never argued that the Xbox One doesn't deserve any shit it gets on this point. It obviously does as the quoted times are terrible.
The point is that I personally don't see that there is a conspiracy, not to mention that it is way too early in the game to draw comparisons between how the One is being treated now and how the PS3 got treated over its 7+ year lifetime.
KnockOneOff
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It really isn't reported on enough, it's truly despicable for a next gen console to have these long ass install times.
Has Eurogamer said anything about the long XB1 install times yet?
boredandlazy
Member
Apologies then. I misinterpreted the intent of your original post.
No worries.
Not much point in saying what I was saying anyway. A slow day at work is to blame!
PS3 was murdered for missing 2 lines of resolution or averaging 2fps less than 360 or even having to mandatory install some games. I swear if it was PS4 the one with this horrible installs, media would've burned it alive.
so basically for Xbone:
- voice chat is huge step backward.
- Cannot see if your friends are online whilst in game (without using the snap feature)
- Cannot see if your controller is running out of battery
- Cannot see how much harddrive space you have left
- Voice controls which need you to say the thing you want twice most of the time
- Lots of games with microtransactions
- Longer install times
- Worse graphics
- Less powerful machine
- Juddery UK TV picture
and to top it all off.....
- MORE expensive!!!!!
Cboat have hinted on those miserable OS functions, I'm really surprised by how media never mentioned those shortfalls.
and about Voice Chat, and install times I would say "Karma is a bitch!"
How long has either console been out?
I expect that as we move forward the One will get pooped on a whole bunch by press, people on message boards and basically all over the place.
A bunch of people have been complaining on podcasts, too, if that is of any relevance. The general consensus seems to be disappointment in the UI and functionality.
The PS4 is itself a sandwich so you don't have to spend time making one!