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GamesRadar: Its time for Nintendo to admit defeat and make a true next-gen console
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Pulling a Saturn is lauching 3 different systems whithout any kind of compatability.
I THOUGHT WE AGREED ON THAT DAMMIT
MaverickHunterAsh
Member
The touch screen works fine. It does what it needs to do. It doesn't need a multi-touch interface like the iPhone.
Besides that, I was talking more about off-TV play, which is something no one else offers and is actually a very compelling feature for many of us. It's an excellent, very forward-thinking idea and it's amazing there is literally zero latency between the TV and GamePad. The same can't be said for remote play between the PS4 and Vita, though I don't hold that against their focus lied elsewhere.
And yeah, the unified account thing sucks, no doubt. Nowhere in my post did I say Nintendo is perfect or has no problems. But Nintendo has typically been very good abotu restoring lost purchases, especially recently if anecdotal evidence is to be trusted (and it is). It's certainly not an ideal, but it doesn't come even close to breaking the Wii U or making it a terrible console either. Anti-Nintendo hyperbole at its finest!
LiveFromKyoto
Member
You left out:
4-6 FPS fluctuation? UNACCEPTABLE. Company X is incompetent and really fucked up by using hardware doodad Y.
Also:
1080p IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE WORLD AFTER WATER AND OXYGEN.
Interceptor
Banned
I can´t remember the iPad2 getting laughed at.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
You would think games journalists would focus more on... I dunno, the games?
I'm talking about Skyward Sword, which sold 3.7 million units.
Windwaker HD obviously sold well under 4M units as there aren't even 4M Wii Us in the world right now.
Well, so long as it was fully, perfectly BC with Wii U and perhaps Wii it'd be better than just making a Game Pad-less SKU...
But I think it's too messy to do that, at most maybe do something big in another two or three years, kind of pull an Xbox 360. That Wii HD idea of Pachter's was a terrible idea half because they were going really strong with the Wii as it was and didn't want to derail that, but that sort of quicker jump in this context may well be justified.
But I think it's too messy to do that, at most maybe do something big in another two or three years, kind of pull an Xbox 360. That Wii HD idea of Pachter's was a terrible idea half because they were going really strong with the Wii as it was and didn't want to derail that, but that sort of quicker jump in this context may well be justified.
I don't understand how anyone defends the touch screen on the WiiU. It's worse quality than shit that came out in 2007. Why did people not complain about this plastic piece of shit touch screen when it came out last year?
If any company released a tablet with that screen it would have gotten slaughtered by the press and industry would call it the biggest joke since the Optimums Keyboard.
gregor7777
Banned
Use your money to:
- Enhance your 1st party studios.
- Ditch the gamepad
- Start moneyhatting 3rd parties
cyberheater
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iPad2 resolution is 1024x768. And a much higher quality screen with better colours.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
At this point Nintendo needs to maximize the console they are putting out to appeal to their core demography that buys their games. They need to expand the types of games they make to appeal to more gamers
The hardware power race is sort of lost on them now and they will always be behind after the wii set them behind.
Third parties aren't going to really support Nintendo anymore in any substantial way.
The hardware power race is sort of lost on them now and they will always be behind after the wii set them behind.
Third parties aren't going to really support Nintendo anymore in any substantial way.
They don't need a next-gen console - the Wii U is already a next-gen console. What they need is a next-gen account system and online environment. WHAT ARE YOU DOING NINTENDO WHY IS THIS TAKING SOOOOOOOOOOO LONG???!!?!?!??!?!?
Also get next-gen with the region locking. Wii U and 3DS's practice of region locking is more last-gen than the SNES because at least with the SNES you could just cut the two little plastic tabs.
Also get next-gen with the region locking. Wii U and 3DS's practice of region locking is more last-gen than the SNES because at least with the SNES you could just cut the two little plastic tabs.
dream
Member
iPad 2 had almost twice as many pixels as the Wii U controller.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
No, the thing not going for the Wii U is consumers know it's not the console that will give them the option to play all of the latest hit games they enjoy.
Going back through the entire history of this industry the winner has always been the console that housed all of the biggest hits. Atari 2600, NES, Playstation, GBA,PS2, SNES etc all won because they were the systems that got all the big name games. They were the systems that weren't a gamble. You knew if a big new game came out you could play it on that system.
Wii was the only console ever to buck that trend. It caught fire for the motion control idea that brought in not only Nintendo fans, but droves of nongamers who propelled it to the top spot. If not for this expanded audience of curiosity seekers there's NO doubt in my mind the PS3 and 360 would've clobbered it. It's why they're still selling, and the Wii has faded away. The consoles that consumers trust to deliver the goods will find success. It's why the PS4 and Xbone exploded out of the gate. Because these are the brands and systems consumers can trust.
Until Nintendo gets the third parties back on board, and changes their image to a "go to" console to play all of the hottest new games they will continue to lag behind everyone else. Not unless they manage to get lucky again and bring in droves of consumers that aren't interested in sticking around.
It's been said 10 times already but yeah, silly article.
The problem is not about nintendo console power right now. They are simply out of the market, at least "that" market. More power will eventually give them more third party games, even if that's not even sure. I mean look at the WiiU. It should have every big PS360 games then.. And the problem is they won't do anything with that graphical power.
Look at Mario 3d World. You can be sure it was a pain in the ass to create those graphics for them. Now imagine they have something like a PS4, or even more. What do they do now.. Honestly there is nothing to change for the models. You can run all that at 1080p with perfect IQ, maybe add a modern light system ala Drive Club... That's it, the graphical style is there. And do you know what ? People outside Nintendo fans won't even really care for the update.
This is always a problem of people buying nintendo consoles for nintendo games. So you won't have every third parties. The only actual way, for Nintendo, to take back the crown, is to set its own new standard for videogames. That means to release a Metroid that makes every high profile FPS and TPS look like an old piece of shit (gameplay wise). That means making a Mario that is so progressive and revolutionary that dudebro will want to try it just for the sake of tasting the new age of videogame.
And all that means having some balls back, and putting the money in the right place. And it won't be done in a week.
But that's not their strategy. Their strategy will probably be to find an alternative funny way to play to catch the attention of the mainstream, over and over.. Of course we already see the limits of that.
The problem is not about nintendo console power right now. They are simply out of the market, at least "that" market. More power will eventually give them more third party games, even if that's not even sure. I mean look at the WiiU. It should have every big PS360 games then.. And the problem is they won't do anything with that graphical power.
Look at Mario 3d World. You can be sure it was a pain in the ass to create those graphics for them. Now imagine they have something like a PS4, or even more. What do they do now.. Honestly there is nothing to change for the models. You can run all that at 1080p with perfect IQ, maybe add a modern light system ala Drive Club... That's it, the graphical style is there. And do you know what ? People outside Nintendo fans won't even really care for the update.
This is always a problem of people buying nintendo consoles for nintendo games. So you won't have every third parties. The only actual way, for Nintendo, to take back the crown, is to set its own new standard for videogames. That means to release a Metroid that makes every high profile FPS and TPS look like an old piece of shit (gameplay wise). That means making a Mario that is so progressive and revolutionary that dudebro will want to try it just for the sake of tasting the new age of videogame.
And all that means having some balls back, and putting the money in the right place. And it won't be done in a week.
But that's not their strategy. Their strategy will probably be to find an alternative funny way to play to catch the attention of the mainstream, over and over.. Of course we already see the limits of that.
MisterHero
Super Member
Aside from hosting a late port of GTA V, Wii U (and Wii) were more than capable of hosting GTAIII-San Andreas. The latter is arguably still superior. I'm sure a lot of users would've bought them.
My point was that Wii U wouldn't have magically limited that game or added more flaws than what it already had. Wii U wouldn't make GTA V Online any worse. The real barrier is probably porting the RAGE engine and not having Red Dead Redemption to help pay for it.
I would buy it too
You noob. It's all about 4K/120fps and mega super antialiasing now.LiveFromKyoto said:
Bluemercury
Member
Thing is iphone screen is not designed for gaming...how many times did you thought you hadnt touched the screen but it still activated some move set? Happens to me all thew time on most android games ive played. Capacitive screens are horrible for games...at any slighr touch it will register....so yeah android tablets dont have better touch screens for GAMING...not my nexus 7 at least....
Boss Man
Member
I see, then maybe Nintendo is in more trouble than I assumed.
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
Like a new console would save Nintendo...
But yet 99% of the population has played more iphone and android games than they have Wii U games.
Don't forget a viable online experience and a unified account system. The Wii U might be stuck in 2005 but Nintendo is stuck in 2001
High-res touch screen? Wut
Um.....
But then I don't see your point : at first you're saying that power is not the issue....and after, that is totally is.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
You can be profitable off of a 12-15M userbase. Nintendo is just awful at pushing out software and services. When they do eventually push out what they can, it turns out great, though.
JordanN
Banned
I heard the same thing about how Wii games wouldn't benefit from 360 hardware. They obviously need to create a game that centers around better hardware. Not the other way around.
Senor Kami
Banned
Even if they did this... you've got to go back to the SNES to find a time when their technical superiority didn't result in anything other than a total clobbering. It's not like going high tech is the key to success.
High tech or low tech, I think what would be the key to their success is admitting they are the only ones who will support their system. If there will be good games, we'll have to make them. If they bought into that and did game production and business decisions reflecting it, I think they'd have a shot of being relevant whether they stuck with Wii U or made a new one. They've got so many great game game creators and have been grooming others for years upon years now. It's time to start putting some of these guys in the big game.
Nintendo has enough money to bring people in, put all their franchises on the table, and ask who wants to work on what for home consoles.
High tech or low tech, I think what would be the key to their success is admitting they are the only ones who will support their system. If there will be good games, we'll have to make them. If they bought into that and did game production and business decisions reflecting it, I think they'd have a shot of being relevant whether they stuck with Wii U or made a new one. They've got so many great game game creators and have been grooming others for years upon years now. It's time to start putting some of these guys in the big game.
Nintendo has enough money to bring people in, put all their franchises on the table, and ask who wants to work on what for home consoles.
Sakura
Member
What's wrong with that? That's more than WW or MM, even though they are better games.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Ok, Wonderful 101 is certainly unique, there's no argument there.
ZombiU, I don't see as being unique. Nothing being done there that couldn't and hasn't been done before without a gamepad. Pikmin 3 and MH3U I don't see what makes them unique over previous versions.
Haven't played Game and Wario so I can't comment on it. Can't see there being much unique on U considering the franchise has done some really great stuff with Touch and Twisted.
MagnetoWned
Member
lol. Once SSB comes out...the Wii U won't have any trouble with sales. I'll be buying one next year for SSB/SMT x FE/DKC etc
I remember when Wii U was launching and we saw tons of threads and mods were like "well it's cool to have bunch of threads for a console that's just launching". If only did we know back then that this would continue and continue to a point where it almost still overshadows the other two consoles (talking about amount of threads here) launching a year later.
cyberheater
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Or they're finally seeing Nintendo for what they've become. A company that releases ill thought out weak hardware with minimum game support with a joke of a CEO who's only defence is to constantly apologies for their piss poor performance.
If it was any other company, they would have got crucified a long time ago.
Sega Saturn and Dreamcast came to mind reading that article.
Imo I don't think the market can properly sustain 3 high powered consoles that are similar to each other, like it or not Nintendo are doing the right thing in offering a product totally different from Sony/MS (and in some regard PC).
The only problem is that they fucked up bad with the WiiU in every possible way. Just set your memory back a couple of years to when everybody was looking forward to Nintendos next console (minus fanboys buthurt over the wii). It was only when we found out the details that everybody turned their back on it, especially when it's sluggish CPU was made known.
If Nintendo had given us the console we were expecting, eg, A cheap machine with a CPU power of somewhere inbetween a 360 and XB1 we wouldn't even be in this mess.
Imo I don't think the market can properly sustain 3 high powered consoles that are similar to each other, like it or not Nintendo are doing the right thing in offering a product totally different from Sony/MS (and in some regard PC).
The only problem is that they fucked up bad with the WiiU in every possible way. Just set your memory back a couple of years to when everybody was looking forward to Nintendos next console (minus fanboys buthurt over the wii). It was only when we found out the details that everybody turned their back on it, especially when it's sluggish CPU was made known.
If Nintendo had given us the console we were expecting, eg, A cheap machine with a CPU power of somewhere inbetween a 360 and XB1 we wouldn't even be in this mess.
Bluemercury
Member
And? Playing candy crush and other type of games that play mostlly by themselves doesnt exactly disprove what ive said....sometimes i press one area and it seems another is affected....same with pressing virtual keys on my nexuw7....see that last "w"...
you realize that a resistive touch screen is a much better fit for what they're trying to pull off than a capacitive touch screen right?
They'd be struggling like other third party publishers if they went 3rd party. Nintendo benefit from making their own hardware.
Look at Sega they haven't had a hit in a long time and the quality of their output suffered when they went third party. I doubt they make nearly as much money as they did back in their heydays.
On the record I was talking about this thread from yesterday: Is the gaming press pushing a Wii U, dark horse agenda?
Just thought it was something funny.
TouchMyBox
Member
So if Nintendo had battlefield and call of duty with sick graphics, people will drop their Xbox controllers for a Wii 3?
Yeah, I don't think so.
Yeah, I don't think so.
Vestal
Gold Member
difference is that Sony and MS both have strong third party support and have announced console exclusives well into 2015
That's true in the short term, and of course the GameCube was profitable at 22M.
But game development costs continue to rise and if Nintendo home console sales are stuck at <20M, at some point you squeeze out all the profit. And we know game development costs have risen for Nintendo, Miyamoto commented on it and it's been cited as a reason for game delays.
Edit:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-07-05-miyamoto-we-underestimated-cost-of-hd-development
Mango The Magician
Banned
I'd imagine pushing out a new more powerful system is the worst idea right now. The first problem arises from the fact that Nintendo themselves are struggling from the transition to HD, they'ed struggle even more-so with a stronger one. The second problem extends from the fact that releasing a new console right now would piss off all the people who invested in a Wii U in the first place (the 3 or 4 million), in fact releasing a new console so soon may even instill the idea with people that it's unwise to purchase a Nintendo system as it'll just be replace soon, thus by releasing one so soon they'ed be tarnishing their brand.
A new console would do squat for them right now. They need an entire culture change like Sony had when they let a bunch of westerners take over key roles, only Nintendo is far worse here than Sony was. They need to drastically repair relations with 3rd parties too since we're going on 20 years since 3rd parties mostly abandoned Nintendo. They've let themselves dig into such a deep hole by ignoring the trends of the industry for so long that I'm not sure they can ever really climb back out.
DisenLedZep
Member
This... I... I can't... dude... wtf!?
Seriously.
W-T-F.
I'd dare to argue that Nintendo has never been as worse off as Sony is right now as a company.
That's a funny thing to write, hehe.
I don't disagree that the gamepad screen is far from ideal, but keep in mind that the ppi on the gamepad is actually slightly better than the iPad 2. The iPad 2 ppi is 132, while the gamepad's is 158. While I would have preferred a better res screen or just no gamepad at all, I doubt increasing their costs with a more expensive display would have benefited Nintendo at all.
Sakura
Member
Nintendo doesn't spend so much money on development that they need to sell 7 million copies or whatever to be a success, like Tomb Raider or whatever. How much do you think a game like NSMBU costs to develop? It's not difficult for Nintendo to be profitable off of 15~20 million install base.
Muppet of a Man
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Better for Nintendo to admit defeat and create the ultimate console/portable hybrid since obviously portable (in terms of accessibility, gameplay fun factor, scope of games, and form factor) is where their strength lies.
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