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Massive Gaming YouTube Channels Getting 100s of Flagged Videos Continuously
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Professor Pew
Neo Member
Thanks for posting this, OP. We never claim or block any Let's Play or Walkthrough videos at Deep Silver so I'll look into this "4GamerMovie" who is claiming Metro videos while not being a copyright holder.
TheHollowNight
Member
Erkk, Gaf servers died.
Anyways I watched this video a fellow Gaffer linked earlier & it shows just how tedious it is to deal with even a couple of copyright requests for a content creator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkbktDbEu7Y
This seems like a perfect topic for a Jimquisition episode!
Anyways I watched this video a fellow Gaffer linked earlier & it shows just how tedious it is to deal with even a couple of copyright requests for a content creator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkbktDbEu7Y
This seems like a perfect topic for a Jimquisition episode!
jacksepticeye
Member
Glad to hear it
I think a lot of you guys are misinterpreting this post. The issue we're discussing shouldn't be whether or not uploaders have the right to upload gameplay content because it's not even the real copyright owners claiming these videos. It's scammers taking advantage of the content ID system. Neither the person creating the videos, or the actual game dev/publisher is getting any of the revenue. Only the scammer is getting ad revenue out of this, and they had nothing to do with the creation of the videos, or video games.
It's been a problem in the past as well, where unscrupulous people would make false claims on ANYTHING that was viral/popular like cat videos and then steal all the ad revenue when they had zero affiliation with the content in the videos.
It's been a problem in the past as well, where unscrupulous people would make false claims on ANYTHING that was viral/popular like cat videos and then steal all the ad revenue when they had zero affiliation with the content in the videos.
Hmm, you would think they would want their Polaris channels to post videos there (along with Youtube) to build up a viewer base.
I'm amused by all of these comments that are saying 'we'll just move to Dailymotion/Vimeo/<some other site>!' All that will happen is that the copyright claims now going to Youtube will go to the new site, and that site will either cave and pull down/flag/monetize videos for the claimant, or they'll ignore the complaints, get sued, taken to court and shut down. I'm sure that YouTube would love to have as many LP videos on their site as possible (content is content, and LP viewers are seeing ads). It's the threat of litigation, not some malice on the part of Google, that's to blame here.
In the end, this won't really change things too much for most watchers. There are plenty of people who made gaming videos before partnerships and monetization came about, and there will continue to be plenty after the crackdown. Plenty of (most, actually) publishers are fine with non-monetized LPs. All we'll find out is who's doing it for the 'art' and who's doing it solely for the money.
This is a problem that does lie at the feet of Google. They make it far too easy for non-affected parties to file claim on any video for any reason, and don't punish those entities that do so falsely (or at least not enough). The scammers know that if the video owner counters and loses that they'll receive a copyright strike, and conclude that many video makers won't do so out of fear. I can see how the sheer volume of videos being added to YouTube makes non-automated policing hard, but Google has to make the whole process more friendly for video uploaders, and less so for would-be scammers.
In the end, this won't really change things too much for most watchers. There are plenty of people who made gaming videos before partnerships and monetization came about, and there will continue to be plenty after the crackdown. Plenty of (most, actually) publishers are fine with non-monetized LPs. All we'll find out is who's doing it for the 'art' and who's doing it solely for the money.
This is a problem that does lie at the feet of Google. They make it far too easy for non-affected parties to file claim on any video for any reason, and don't punish those entities that do so falsely (or at least not enough). The scammers know that if the video owner counters and loses that they'll receive a copyright strike, and conclude that many video makers won't do so out of fear. I can see how the sheer volume of videos being added to YouTube makes non-automated policing hard, but Google has to make the whole process more friendly for video uploaders, and less so for would-be scammers.
jacksepticeye
Member
Corronchilejano
Member
Game Grumps and their dedicated "let's fuck up baddly cause we can" wouldn't exist
You rang?
Just saw it...Youtube fucked it up bigtime such a bunch of bull.
The Dutch Slayer
Member
psttt posted that a page back just saying
no problem more people SHOULD see it.The Problem is also how youtube flags videos. Even videos from publishers that are completely fine with monetisation are getting flagged.
It's been an issue for non gaming content as well.
The way the automatic bots on youtube work is completely broken.
jacksepticeye
Member
Well according to the video posted in here a couple times, this applies
I don't know how true this is though I literally copied it word for word, though I guess a Let's Play isn't a Parody or Review as such right? hmmmmm
TheHollowNight
Member
You rang?
Oh my, he really is on the ball with this shit. I know he was in the thread earlier, but thank god for you Jim Sterling!
Jim Sterling
Member
I just want to know when Capcom will let me wank again. It's killin' me here.
is everyone forgetting that the product is a GAME not a movie?
watching a youtube video of a game is not playing the game
The Dutch Slayer
Member
You know no one at capcom knows about your video right?
Its an automated system just computers seeing stuff in other computers nothing more nothing less.
(Sadly because I know some of the capcom folks would love the video)
Marauder Shields
Member
That's a bit greedy since it ignores the benefits that IP holders get from LP videos.
TheHollowNight
Member
psttt posted that a page back just saying
Ahh it was you! Sorry! This thread has been moving so fast, & then the site pooped itself a little and I got too frustrated to scan back through haha.
I think they were threatened by your display of man dominance & naughty words.
Got a box of kleenex going begging? I might be interested.
Jack Random
Member
Someone ought to remind these companies about the fable of the golden goose, because they're cutting theirs open as we speak...
Jim Sterling
Member
You have to go with what I'm doing, otherwise it's not going to work.
jacksepticeye
Member
One of the disputes I sent in about 30 minutes ago has been released with no penalties and back to being monetised. Thank God for that but seriously the fact that everyone now has to do this for multiple videos is such a pain in the ass, it makes being a partner as a moderately smaller channel almost pointless
Antilurker77
Member
Am I the only one who doesn't care? Probably because almost every monetized LP is crap. Are they taking down independent reviewers/critics also?
This is a terrible idea - on the surface it sounds great, but consider the wider ramifications. Who would ever sue a large company, knowing they'd be on the hook for thousands of (padded) hours worth of billed legal representation from that giant company when they (inevitably) lose due to being pounded into the ground by that same (very expensive) army of corporate attorneys? Nobody. And that's the point of 'tort reform' as espoused by the 'loser pays' supporters - to scare the little guy away from seeking justice against the big guy (even if the stated goal is to do the opposite).
There's definitely change needed, but tort reform isn't it. The main thing that we need is for Google to stop allowing absolutely anyone to file an infringement claim for any reason. Such claims should have to be made by the actual holder, after establishing beforehand (under penalty of perjury) that they are actually legally allowed to make such a claim. The claims should also need to be human-verified. That would need some legislative assistance to happen, but not anything as awful as 'loser pays'.
NoirVisage
Banned
The point isn't that they're losing money, but that there is money to be made that they are seeing none of. When Pew Die pie became web rich off it, the suits scratched their collective chins and are probably enacting defcon 2 as we speak.
They're not taking down anyone for the time being.
jacksepticeye
Member
Then this shit should be written down properly or labelled for everyone to see rather than people left wondering "Am I ok? is this fair use?"
I'm not very good with that legal stuff so I'd like to know a bit more on where I stand
As said above "not taking down anyone" but yes no one is safe. Someone like AngryJoeShow apparently got hit pretty hard with it
Whether you like the material or not though should not be in contention, it's whether it's right or wrong to do so
simplythebest
Banned
This blows ... all my favorite youtube channels are gaming channels.
I reckon it would happen if Google didn't change their stupid policies and remove that stupid Google+ sync on YT accounts.
I reckon it would happen if Google didn't change their stupid policies and remove that stupid Google+ sync on YT accounts.
The Dutch Slayer
Member
<3You have to go with what I'm doing, otherwise it's not going to work.
jacksepticeye
Member
Thanks, gonna read through it
So let's plays aren't fair use but reviews or critiquing of games and educational or informative videos on games like tips and tricks ARE?
Never again.
The Dutch Slayer
Member
THAT, THAT is 100% the problem with the new system you sign up with a partner so that you can focus on the content and not distribution and copyright etc.
For "small %" free your partner will handle all that while you "work".
But if now you still have to do all the copyright work and focus on the content but STILL "pay a %" to your partner WHY DO YOU EVEN HAVE THE PARTNER........
same, I'm actually glad it's happening. Don't stone me!
Increased visibility, potentially. But yeah, this removes a lot of incentive for people to seek out partner networks, since only a tiny fraction of people working under them will be granted "managed" status while everyone else is left out in the cold.
TheHollowNight
Member
Uh sorry? I think you missed the whole point of my reply.
Yes, a video of a game is not the same as playing it, which is exactly why this shouldnt' be an issue. But Mistle's comparison was that this is the same as uploading the entirety of a copyrighted track onto Youtube. Essentially giving out 100% access to the content. Just like if you uploaded a film onto Youtube. You are providing the full content.
Which all of this shit would be understandable if these Youtubers were providing free downloads to the games on their page - i.e. offering the complete content to their subscribers, but they aren't, they are doing a non-interactive video about an interactive media, which simply isn't the same. A lot of these are transformative pieces, parodies, snippets for review shows etc etc & they are still getting penalized.
jacksepticeye
Member
Smaller channels rarely get "increased visibility" when partnered unless you're doing something really informative or something like that for Machinima
But the problem is now the bigger channels on the bigger networks are gonna dominate more where as the up and coming smaller channels have a MUCH harder time than ever before
Add me to that list. Let's play/walkthroughs videos as crap as most of them are, are free to exist, but should not be monetized.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Is it only people who monetize videos?
Because none of my videos are monetized, and I've not had any problems.
Because none of my videos are monetized, and I've not had any problems.
Is it so hard to understand this affects all gaming content, not just let's plays? It's the same no matter what you do. The bots flag everything they find.
heh sorry, wasnt meant as a reply TO you but agreeing
NoirVisage
Banned
Youtube videos, especially games being monetized by a third party is a hustle that's been going on for a hot minute, the stars have already been made and they'll move on to other things now that the eye's they have on them will watch them do pretty much anything, if they're really clamping down completely on monetization, this means its the end of an era. No more gaming stars on youtube, unless sanctioned by the companies that own the games they play.
On the other hand, it does mean a more "level" playing field in a twisted sort of way. Now everyone has to go through the same crappy process!
Marauder Shields
Member
I do find it funny seeing people rooting for this in the hope that it will mark the end of channels like pewdiepie when really if anything it will help to maintain the status quo.
GalacticaN7
Banned
I'm probably in the minority here, but I don't have a problem with Youtube cracking down on people using the works of others for monetary game (without permission of course).