Y 3DS
X WiiU
It would also fit with the color scheme since Y and the 3DS flame for the smash logo is blue while X and the WiiU flame logo is red.
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Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 3: Ridley's Believe It or Not!
- Thread starter IntelliHeath
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Y 3DS
X WiiU
It would also fit with the color scheme since Y and the 3DS flame for the smash logo is blue while X and the WiiU flame logo is red.
I think "Pikachu-Mewtwo-Trainer" is a perfect representation for the series if we had to keep it to "core" characters. The first are always the most iconic - which is why before now there were no main series Mario characters created after 1985, and Diddy Kong (from '94!) is the newest after that. These characters just have more mindspace than their younger counterparts. Pikachu as the mascot, Trainer as the gameplay/starters, Mewtwo as the "bad guy" - and extras fit in from there.
If possible they should add/keep newer Pokemon, too - if they warrant it - but they shouldn't squeeze them in just for representation's sake. If I were forced to cut one from Brawl it would be Lucario without a second thought (though it probably doesn't help that Lucario is one of the only Pokemon out of over 700 that I actively dislike).
If possible they should add/keep newer Pokemon, too - if they warrant it - but they shouldn't squeeze them in just for representation's sake. If I were forced to cut one from Brawl it would be Lucario without a second thought (though it probably doesn't help that Lucario is one of the only Pokemon out of over 700 that I actively dislike).
also doesn't help he was mainly a Mewtwo 2.0 in Brawl.
I agree with this post. Pikachu, Mewtwo, and Trainer should stay. Sadly I think Jigglypuff is a given since she has been in every game so far.
The Real Napsta
Member
Is Solid Snake going to be in this one?
I'm going to take a guess and say no.
Pokken has to exist before that matters~
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Well, he have good recovery with Side-B. Dat Rocket Ride
It was me but I made mistake with that. I thought it was during Christmas week but it was a week after Christmas week.
Makes sense. Although if I had to choose one it'd be Y, as that one seems to be the "main" one. Was revealed first and appeared in a movie (did any Mega Evos appear in Origins at all?).
Mega Charizard X did.
C.Olimar788
Member
Lucario and Mewtwo had literally zero moves in common. So, um, he really really wasn't a "Mewtwo 2.0".
None of the Pokemon currently in Brawl really warrant being cut. I completely expect the Smash 4 roster to be the Brawl 4 and Mewtwo for a total of five reps, matching Mario's rep count. The only good argument against Lucario was him being less relevant, but... he kinda became relevant again as a piece of an important plot point in XY. In fact, all the Brawl Pokemon (and Mewtwo) became relevant again in XY in some way or another.
It could be a coincidence, but considering the fact that it's likely that SSB4's roster was decided between Game Freak and Sakurai before XY were released...
I'd probably think that Mewtwo would transform into either randomly, with the transformation being the smash and you being able to play as either Mewtwo X or Y, and then like Samus/Zero Suit, you transform back in the next final smash.
Y would play like a speedy version of Mewtwo and X would be a Slower, more powerful heavy.
Y would play like a speedy version of Mewtwo and X would be a Slower, more powerful heavy.
I still don't like PKMN Trainer. It's an interesting concept, and I applaud Sakurai for it, it just doesn't particularly work well with me. And that's too much GEN1 for me, personally. The most popular Pokemon (who happens to be from GEN1) Pikachu, and another supremely popular GEN1 Mewtwo is enough for me.
I'd take Jiggly, Lucario, and PKMN Trainer out. And fill that up with newer Pokemon. I agree that Greninja would be dope. I'd replace Lucario with Zoroark. And I'd stuff one more Legendary and a cute Pokemon in there.
Of course, all on the assumption we don't wan't more than 5-6 Pokemon in the game. If we could have more, I'd go to town. I'd like to see an official game that plays like smash, I could be honest. Now that would be sweet. I've day dreamed about that since Pokemon's inception.
I'd take Jiggly, Lucario, and PKMN Trainer out. And fill that up with newer Pokemon. I agree that Greninja would be dope. I'd replace Lucario with Zoroark. And I'd stuff one more Legendary and a cute Pokemon in there.
Of course, all on the assumption we don't wan't more than 5-6 Pokemon in the game. If we could have more, I'd go to town. I'd like to see an official game that plays like smash, I could be honest. Now that would be sweet. I've day dreamed about that since Pokemon's inception.
Like Pokemon Trainer. Different special variations for each evolution, and different speed/power for each. Maybe use taunts to choose which form to use.
C.Olimar788
Member
Absolutely. And there's really no way Pokemon Trainer is going to be cut - he's the closest Pokemon has to an actual main character and represents a unique gimmick. I can't see Sakurai letting him leave.
For those who don't want the roster to be flooded by Gen I, and I definitely understand that, your best hope is probably that PT comes back with a different trio (maybe Gen III since the remakes are all but inevitable?). Though, with XY having the Kanto trio on the forefront again I can't really see that as likely, either...
If it were up to me PT would have a roster with one Pokemon from three different Gens (let's say Mudkip/Bayleef/Delphox), but I can't see Sakurai or Game Freak doing that.
It's not about the trainer. Not in Pokemon, or Smash Bros. That's why you don't actually control Trainer. He's just in the back, like always.
You do realize that there are people who are fans of how Jigglypuff and Lucario play, right? Jigglypuff was in three games and was a unique top-tier in Melee. There is no other character in the cast who plays like her. Hell, there are even fans of Pokemon trainer, whether because they like the individual Pokemon or they like the concept.
I'm not a fan of excessive "GEEWUN!" at all (Fuck all of you asking for RBY remakes. I played in Kanto for four fucking generations. Learn to like something new.), but I don't think that we should remove beloved characters to fill some arbitrary generational quota.
I still think Deoxys would be dope.
Depends if you can jump from it or not.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
Wow there were a lot more things I missed than I thought
Oh, without a doubt good sir. I myself am I Lucario {Brawl] player. I'd actually find a Pokemon that could retain Jiggly's characteristics and mechanics. A cute, puffy surprisingly good character. There's quite a few that come to mind.
You realize Jigglypuff is one of the Original 12. She isn't going anywhere.
I could see Sylveon being the Gen VI rep, its "A" smash moves attacks being done with the ribbons and fairy dust, and the "B" Specials being various Fairy Type moves. Grappling could also be done with the ribbons.
Specials
Neutral: Moonblast
Side: Fairy Wind
Up: Draining Kiss
Down: Light Screen
Smash
Side: Dazzling Gleam
Up: Body Smash
Down: Sweeping with Ribbons
Specials
Neutral: Moonblast
Side: Fairy Wind
Up: Draining Kiss
Down: Light Screen
Smash
Side: Dazzling Gleam
Up: Body Smash
Down: Sweeping with Ribbons
Shall watch it shortly.
I hate that I can't make out a list of what I would like to see, without people saying "Well, that ain't happenin! Stop dreaming, Uh oh gurlfriend!".
Can't I wishlist, brah?
Pokeballz.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Diggersby tho
Trainer however can be altered (and I disagree on the starter thing - only Charizard seems to be the more prominent, whereas the other starters have become popular too). And Mewtwo only fits as the "final boss" if you look merely within the early games. Considering how many games deviate from that, Mewtwo can't be "the" final boss.
Also I want to slap people saying Lucario, the only non-gen 1 representative so far, is a Mewtwo clone.
Trainer however can be altered (and I disagree on the starter thing - only Charizard seems to be the more prominent, whereas the other starters have become popular too). And Mewtwo only fits as the "final boss" if you look merely within the early games. Considering how many games deviate from that, Mewtwo can't be "the" final boss.
Also I want to slap people saying Lucario, the only non-gen 1 representative so far, is a Mewtwo clone.
I agree with the sentiment that Pikachu-Trainer-Mewtwo represent the series best and should be in. Lucario was pretty significant in XY so him returning seems likely as well. Jigglypuff is a bit of an outsider where it isn't really all that relevant in the main series, but I think she should stay as one of the original 12 Smash characters.
That leaves Pichu who nobody will miss, and at that point Pokemon is at 5 reps. Add in Megas and the roster will feel fresh, but Sakurai could end up giving us a 6th character. Not sure who that would be although I think N could be interesting.
That leaves Pichu who nobody will miss, and at that point Pokemon is at 5 reps. Add in Megas and the roster will feel fresh, but Sakurai could end up giving us a 6th character. Not sure who that would be although I think N could be interesting.
Thank you. You'd have to wonder why so many people ask for Mewtwo back. If Lucario was a clone, why the huge desire to have M2 back, then?
The only superficial similarity between the two is the "energy ball" attack. Other than they they are night and day.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
People say Chespin-Braixen-Greninja, I say Froakie-Braixen-Chesnaught. I dunno why but I see Froakie being more agile than Greninja and foam bubbles could be more shenanigans than foam "pustules". Also Chesnaught animation.
Jiggs can sort of become relevant again due to Fairy type, and can change some of her attacks with Fairy moves!
Jiggs can sort of become relevant again due to Fairy type, and can change some of her attacks with Fairy moves!
If Mario were saturated with hundreds of new characters every installment I think you'd see much less enthusiasm for Rosalina. A better comparison for Lucario is Blaze the Cat or some other shitty Sonic friend that we can all do without.
SAVED.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Except you know, Lucario isn't Blaze the Cat. Lucario is a popular Pokemon that remained relevant to this day even without movies to prove it. And that slippery-slope argument - you're assuming they would saturate the game with many Pokemon, when in fact the ones represented actually hold water in relevance and popularity. Or are you thinking they'd add Ratatta much like how they'd add Goomba as a playable character?
Seems like you're only seeing Lucario as some sort of "furry Sonic character" than a Pokemon, given your post.
I see no appreciable difference. Sonic's shitty friends have admirers too. Doesn't mean I have to like 'em.
Lucario isn't just another Pokemon, he's probably the most popular Pokemon of the last few generations combined.
That upgrades him from Blaze the Cat tier to Shadow the Hedgehog tier.
It's a better comparison than Mario and Pokemon.
6th Pokemon character should be this dude.
Unlike Pokemon Trainer, the Rocket Grunt doesn't play by the rules: He fights on the battlefield with his whip and stun prod and gangs up on you with his Pokemon, which are his special moves. He is rather weak, but he can control the area well with his ranged normals and various special moves which release Pokemon as traps or projectiles. The only restriction is that he can't have two of the same Pokemon out at the same time, and if a Pokemon is knocked out by damage, he has to wait for 10 seconds before he can release another one of that kind.
B-Neutral: Houndour is released behind the Rocket Grunt and shoots a short stream of fire breath for 10 seconds. Great way to control the field.
B-Forward: Scraggy leaps out of the Pokeball in an arc for a powerful High-Jump Kick. If the Pokemon misses, it falls on its face and the Rocket Grunt will facepalm, opening himself up for a free hit.
B-Up: The Rocket Grunt releases Zubat and squeals, "Save me!" He grabs onto its tails as it flies up before letting go; the Zubat itself keeps flying up as a projectile.
B-Down: He releases a Gulpin in front of him. The Gulpin acts like the Gulpin from Brawl.
Unlike Pokemon Trainer, the Rocket Grunt doesn't play by the rules: He fights on the battlefield with his whip and stun prod and gangs up on you with his Pokemon, which are his special moves. He is rather weak, but he can control the area well with his ranged normals and various special moves which release Pokemon as traps or projectiles. The only restriction is that he can't have two of the same Pokemon out at the same time, and if a Pokemon is knocked out by damage, he has to wait for 10 seconds before he can release another one of that kind.
B-Neutral: Houndour is released behind the Rocket Grunt and shoots a short stream of fire breath for 10 seconds. Great way to control the field.
B-Forward: Scraggy leaps out of the Pokeball in an arc for a powerful High-Jump Kick. If the Pokemon misses, it falls on its face and the Rocket Grunt will facepalm, opening himself up for a free hit.
B-Up: The Rocket Grunt releases Zubat and squeals, "Save me!" He grabs onto its tails as it flies up before letting go; the Zubat itself keeps flying up as a projectile.
B-Down: He releases a Gulpin in front of him. The Gulpin acts like the Gulpin from Brawl.
theprodigy
Member
wow I didn't even realize that was the periodic table until you mentioned it
not this shit again, they share exactly one move (sort of) in common
confirmed
Zero lightning loops the competition!
6th Pokemon character should be this dude.
Unlike Pokemon Trainer, the Rocket Grunt doesn't play by the rules: He fights on the battlefield with his whip and stun prod and gangs up on you with his Pokemon, which are his special moves. He is rather weak, but he can control the area well with his ranged normals and various special moves which release Pokemon as traps or projectiles. The only restriction is that he can't have two of the same Pokemon out at the same time, and if a Pokemon is knocked out by damage, he has to wait for 10 seconds before he can release another one of that kind.
B-Neutral: Houndour is released behind the Rocket Grunt and shoots a short stream of fire breath for 10 seconds. Great way to control the field.
B-Forward: Scraggy leaps out of the Pokeball in an arc for a powerful High-Jump Kick. If the Pokemon misses, it falls on its face and the Rocket Grunt will facepalm, opening himself up for a free hit.
B-Up: The Rocket Grunt releases Zubat and squeals, "Save me!" He grabs onto its tails as it flies up before letting go; the Zubat itself keeps flying up as a projectile.
B-Down: He releases a Gulpin in front of him. The Gulpin acts like the Gulpin from Brawl.
I love this.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
...and we're done. Yeah, he seems to be hell bent on comparing Lucario as a "sonic furry" or something.
Really all that's needed is someone to say "Lucario is GameFreak's Lightning" and it will become full circle.
Personal bias is a terrible way of forming an argument.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I hope so. I don't really see how good that balloon recovery is after seeing it twice in trailer.