Sakurai said he included the Ice Climbers because he wanted a character to represent the original NES. He whittled down a list of all the classic NES characters and was left with the Ice Climbers. In that context, they're not such a bizarre inclusion.
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Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments
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I'd much rather see Simon Belmont as the Konami Rep personally or just Bomberman for Hudson(RIP).
I agree with this. Snake gets a pass with me because he is a big gaming icon, and arguably Konami's most popular character. Even without strong ties to Nintendo, he's a better choice than one-off third-party characters that have a bit more significance to Nintendo like Geno or Bayonetta (but, as it has already been corrected, The Wonderful 101 is first-party, not third-party).
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I'm not too happy with the current status of the Castlevania series but nothing I can do about it.
I'm too spoiled with the GBA-DS installments and of course SCIV.
While we're (vaguely) talking about the [_____] Wars series, I'm surprised these guys have never really been talked about:
In Captain Rainbow there's the "Famicom Wars Soldiers" that represent the basic infantry unit for the Wars games, and they strike me as the sort of character that would strike Sakurai's fancy (not unlike Pokemon Trainer, Mr. Game and Watch, Wii Fit Trainer to an extent) to represent the series. A single "Famicom Soldier" or something that can call in little tanks, choppers, and so forth for backup seems very "Smash Bros." to me.
The same "realistic guns" ban that Snake had might effect them, but it'd be no less avoidable here. Or they could just make the weapons super cartoony.
In Captain Rainbow there's the "Famicom Wars Soldiers" that represent the basic infantry unit for the Wars games, and they strike me as the sort of character that would strike Sakurai's fancy (not unlike Pokemon Trainer, Mr. Game and Watch, Wii Fit Trainer to an extent) to represent the series. A single "Famicom Soldier" or something that can call in little tanks, choppers, and so forth for backup seems very "Smash Bros." to me.
The same "realistic guns" ban that Snake had might effect them, but it'd be no less avoidable here. Or they could just make the weapons super cartoony.
I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
Kojima didn't invite Sakurai to his birthday party. Snake is as good as gone.
Linkstrikesback
Member
He's a big gaming icon, but he doesn't belong in for the same reason that Master Chief or Nathan drake don't belong in. He's a big gaming icon... who is known for his games that are specifically not on Nintendo systems. Yeah, they got 1 decent port a long time ago and a really half assed port (seeing as the competing systems got 3 games in a collection for a budget price either before or around the same time), woopdedoo.
Maybe get him in Sony Smash bros 2 where he belongs. But not in smash bros where the 3rd party representation is deliberately very limited to characters who all have a history with Nintendo, except for snake.
A castlevania rep is a good idea. Either a Belmont (Julius or Simon) or Soma would probably make the most sense from castlevania.
ShockingAlberto
Member
While we're (vaguely) talking about the [_____] Wars series, I'm surprised these guys have never really been talked about:
In Captain Rainbow there's the "Famicom Wars Soldiers" that represent the basic infantry unit for the Wars games, and they strike me as the sort of character that would strike Sakurai's fancy (not unlike Pokemon Trainer, Mr. Game and Watch, Wii Fit Trainer to an extent) to represent the series. A single "Famicom Soldier" or something that can call in little tanks, choppers, and so forth for backup seems very "Smash Bros." to me.
The same "realistic guns" ban that Snake had might effect them, but it'd be no less avoidable here. Or they could just make the weapons super cartoony.
Aren't they already represented as an assist trophy?
But he's not only on other systems. He even has one exclusive Game Boy Color game, I believe. Yeah, there are better choices that are much more significant to Nintendo, but Snake got in because his creator approached Sakurai. What's done is done, and he's special because he's the first guest character in Smash Bros. Now, all other guest characters will likely have much stricken conditions for joining the battle.
The Bankslammer
Member
Yup. And it's a damn good game.
Also the NES version of Metal Gear is different than the MSX version. And it's not quite as good a game.
fredrancour
Member
Yeah. But considering a massive part of smash bros is fan service, it's fun to dream about our favorite less-popular Nintendo series getting playable characters.
Linkstrikesback
Member
So was Animal Crossing in brawl. It's not impossible in that regard.
soviet prince
Member
people re against a 3rd party have 2 or 3 reps but I think sonic is imp enough to have 3( tails, and robotnik). not going to happen but I love to see it
also what does it take to become a member?
also what does it take to become a member?
MAtgS
Member
Well there is Dual Strike's tag team mechanic. But do we really need yet another multi-character? SSB is kinda pushing it as it is with Rosaluma, IC, PT, ZSS, Zelda/Shiek & Olimar plus the speculated Diddy/Dixie team. Gotta draw the line somewhere.
Chet Rippo
Member
Like 3 months and 300 posts I think.
theprodigy
Member
you forgot the "you must have received at least one ban part"
I'm just kidding, most junior bans are permabans
I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
Pac-Man will be taking Snake's moveset.
I'm okay with this
Because girl in fatigues and combat boots with a machine gun. Search your heart you know it's true.
Sakurai's on a female character binge right now. It's inevitable.
fredrancour
Member
She's the infantry commander and the one drawn holding guns, and people wanted to invent a snake-clone to still have a character with that moveset if he gets removed. That's to my knowledge the only reason Sami's ever been mentioned in smash conversations.
If Andy got in I feel like he'd rep the franchise's actual gameplay closer for his B attacks- summoning tiny units to fight. Like up-b T copter, down-b artillery, side-b a rushing attack where he clings to an APC, neutral B tank.
Don't think this'll happen though. I'll have to settle for s&p, advance wars, and golden sun only being repped by assist trophies forever.
TheRedSnifit
Member
I'd expect it to be someone from DoR, since that's the most recent entry.
But I'd honestly prefer to have one of the little generic soldier guys.
It's still representative of the game he comes from even if it's not a perfect match, just like Zelda using the goddess magic and virtually all of Shiek's moveset. It's certainly possible that it's to mask the Mii, but Villager having some loosely related moves like those wouldn't be too much of a stretch. Plus it has to go both ways at that point. Those moves might not be too odd for both of them, but Mii having using the tree and axe would be weird.
fredrancour
Member
Sami the Snake clone
Andy the Olimar Clone
Would be dreams come true.
Instead, we will get Eagle as a Fox clone and Max the Donkey Kong clone.
I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
Castlevania is fun and historically significant to Nintendo platforms.
Weird, right?
Weird, right?
fredrancour
Member
I think the point is that Konami as a company doesn't really have a unified brand as distinct as Nintendo's or Sega's in the eyes of the public. Snake and Simon represent their own franchises, not the company as a whole. If they are notable it will be because of their own games and not because of the company that owns them. Snake isn't a Konami rep, he's a Metal Gear Rep. If Simon gets in, he's not repping Konami either, but representing Castlevania.
Edit: Orrrr it could just be snake fandom. OK. Well, the argument above is how I see the situation anyway.
Aside from this new lord of shadow business, I dont think castlevania was ever.. super big . So i would understand why some people may not even give a shit about a castlevania rep, never matter to them. They had metriod or maybe even don't even care about that type of game.
Yeah, not sure why people expect him when we already have Mega Man...
Classic Castlevania is nothing like Metroid and feature very different styles of platforming. Two was something of an experiment toward that end, but was the odd game out at the time.
SenorArdilla
Member
I can just imagine the character trailer. Pit, Luigi, and Kirby see a castle and decided to explore it. After they enter, the door shuts behind them. A swarm of bats attacks them and the three are momentarily blinded. Then all the bats get blown up. The screen moves over to the shadowy figure that helped them.
"Kept you waiting, huh?"
The Bankslammer
Member
Simon's inclusion would probably get me more excited than Mega Man's.
But I believe I've heard that Castlevania isn't considered as iconic to the NES in Japan as it was in America. Or something like that. So his chances seem pretty slim for various reasons.
vvv maybe as pachislot hehehehehehe
But actually, there's just never been that same level of demand for a Castlevania rep as there was for Mega Man. Statements about whether or not it's considered as integral a part of the NES library in Japan are just based off of various rumblings I've heard.
But I believe I've heard that Castlevania isn't considered as iconic to the NES in Japan as it was in America. Or something like that. So his chances seem pretty slim for various reasons.
vvv maybe as pachislot hehehehehehe
But actually, there's just never been that same level of demand for a Castlevania rep as there was for Mega Man. Statements about whether or not it's considered as integral a part of the NES library in Japan are just based off of various rumblings I've heard.
Red Arremer
Member
Dunno about "iconic to the NES", but CV generally is pretty popular in Japan.
That is a good point.
My go to point for castlevania is symphony of the night forward. Since that is the part of the series that i give most of a crap about. My points still stands though, castlevania has never really been that big
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Troubled Bat
Member
I'm watching you.
I thought it was just a low powered version of the grapple beam that act as a whip.
SenorArdilla
Member
Only if the art is by Ayami Kojima.
Well, it is a grapple beam, but I'm curious as to whether or not there's some kind of deeper inspiration behind it since it was invented for Smash Bros. and constitutes a majority of her move set.