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[Alx]

Shouldn't protesting this event, from the standpoint of the world press, mean the republication of the Charile Hedbo cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed by media outlets worldwide? An actual "we're not afraid, we stand united, and we won't be censored by terror, your attacks must fail" message?

I admit to not having followed closely enough to know if republication has happened anywhere, but I think I would have noticed if it occurred in the NY Times, WSJ, LA Times, the major papers in Europe, or hell, the cover of the Economist, etc.

No I don't think so. The reaction is about rejection of violence and the right to offend people. It doesn't mean that everybody should be offensive as a reaction.
For example, I'm sure many muslims are offended by the caricatures, but still join the general solidarity because they don't think people should be killed for that, or even silenced. Their message isn't "we want more Mohammed caricatures !" and there's no reason to offend them more.
Publishing caricatures of Mohammed was the trigger/symbol of the events, but we shouldn't make it our goal. I think it's quite respectful of the NYT to decide to censor the caricatures in some photographs for its muslim readership. They have the right to publish them, but they also have the freedom to hide them.

 

[BaronLundi]

Well I have to say I felt sad when I saw the pre-recorded post-mortem video of Coulibali trying to speak arab and speaking about dead civilians in Iraq and Palestine. It doesn't justify what he did, but the waste of lives everywhere is sad. Maybe Dieudonné felt compassion for both sides in this war that doesn't say its name.

Both sides? The victims in Iraq and Palestine and the victims of terrorism are on opposing sides? Or do you mean that he felt compassion for the killer as much as for the victims? Or the west against the muslim world?

What on earth are you talking about?

Dieudonné is a racist scumbab who only seeks attention (and money). Prosecuting him for him taunting the dead jewish victims, however tempting it might be, is probably a mistake.

 

[Dilly]

Well I have to say I felt sad when I saw the pre-recorded post-mortem video of Coulibali trying to speak arab and speaking about dead civilians in Iraq and Palestine. It doesn't justify what he did, but the waste of lives everywhere is sad. Maybe Dieudonné felt compassion for both sides in this war that doesn't say its name.

Please.

 

[Mimosa97]

Both sides? The victims in Iraq and Palestine and the victims of terrorism are on opposing sides? Or do you mean that he felt compassion for the killer as much as for the victims? Or the west against the muslim world?

What on earth are you talking about?

Dieudonné is a racist scumbab who only seeks attention (and money). Prosecuting him for him taunting the dead jewish victims, however tempting it might be, is probably a mistake.

True. This will only help him victimize himself. Freedom of Speech is for everyone after all.

Censoring his show was already a big big mistake that has set a very very dangerous precedent. I bet that his ambiguous statement " I am Charlie Coulibaly " isn't even about supporting the dead terrorist, it's only to shock and so that the press keep talking about him. If you looked at the reactions he got from his own fans on facebook, most of them rejected what he said and told him that he went too far and that it was a horrible thing to say.

Let the idiot be. I won't deny the fact that he used to be one of the best comedians France ever had. His old shows are pure comedy genius. In a world of political correctness where our comedians only joke about stupid stuff like going to Ikea, finding a girlfriend and adding new friends on Facebook, He was the only one talking about sensible subjects.
Sadly he went full retard years and years ago, became friends with a whole bunch of antisemites and now he's just an old antisemite obsessed with Jews whose only goal is to keep on making more and more money.

 

[Jisgsaw]

I hope it will also be available outside France.

Well, according to this:
"La une sera définie ce soir (lundi), et mercredi les auditeurs pourront trouver leur Charlie dans les kiosques en France et dans le monde".

"The front page will be decided upon today (Monday), and Wednesday the readers will find Charlie in their newsstand in France and in the whole World".

Also, one limite Charlie apparently draws on their caricatures:
"Une pancarte +Je suis Charlie+, veut dire +vous avez le droit de critiquer ma religion, parce que ce n'est pas grave. On n'a jamais le droit de critiquer un juif parce qu'il est juif, un musulman parce qu'il est musulman, un chrétien parce qu'il est chrétien. Mais vous pouvez dire tout ce que vous voulez, et les pires horreurs, et on les dit, sur le christianisme, le judaïsme et l'islam"

"A +I am Charlie+ sign means +you can criticise my religion, because it's not important. You can't criticize a jew because he is jew, a muslim because he is muslim, a christian because he is christian. But you can say what you want, how horrible it may be, and we do it, about christianism, judaism and islam"

 

[Mimosa97]

Right-wing french journalist on Twitter

(CRIF = Representative council of the french jewish organisations)


" Proud to have participated to the Republican march against the Islamization of France, side by side with my friends from the CRIF and the french jewish community "


" We were marching to pay tribute to the victims, for the attacked Republic and against jihadism. Nothing else. "

 

[Alx]

Lol, "pan dans ta gueule".

 

[Messofanego]

Right-wing french journalist on Twitter

(CRIF = Representative council of the french jewish organisations)


" Proud to have participated to the Republican march against the Islamization of France, side by side with my friends from the CRIF and the french jewish community "


" We were marching to pay tribute to the victims, for the attacked Republic and against jihadism. Nothing else. "

Did he give a prediction for Islamization of France like WraithBringer so graciously provided us?

You think that's unrealistic? France will be an Islamic country by 2020. Britain by 2050 they said, if we're lucky. Neighbouring towns around me are already Islamic towns. It's well within the grounds of reality

 

[G.O.O.]

Did he give a prediction for Islamization of France like WraithBringer so graciously provided us?

You can judge by yourself by googling "valeurs actuelles couverture islam" and search images. You won't even need a translation.

 

[KooopaKid]

Both sides? The victims in Iraq and Palestine and the victims of terrorism are on opposing sides? Or do you mean that he felt compassion for the killer as much as for the victims? Or the west against the muslim world?

I'm talking about "collateral damages" the West has made over the years. Drone attacks, the Iraqi embargo, Gaza and so on. When innocents are killed, it fuels revenge.

 

[BaronLundi]

I'm talking about "collateral damages" the West has made over the years. Drone attacks, the Iraqi embargo, Gaza and so on. When innocents are killed, it fuels revenge.

Yeah right. So if the parents, wives, sons, or sibling of the 4 victims were to somehow go and murder a few Palestinians or Iraqis, then it would be ok to feel compasionate for their acts seeing as they were just fueled by revenge?

Sigh...

 

[KooopaKid]

Yeah right. So if the parents, wives, sons, or sibling of the 4 victims were to somehow go and murder a few Palestinians or Iraqis, then it would be ok to feel compasionate for their acts seeing as they were just fueled by revenge?

Sigh...

Yeah because I'll understand part of their motives and their hopelessness even if I disagree with their actions. Anyway, they were fools. I disagree calling them barbarians. If they are, we are too.

 

[KingSnake]

Yeah because I'll understand part of their motives and their hopelessness even if I disagree with their actions. Anyway, they were fools. I disagree calling them barbarians. If they are, we are too.

The terrorists were born and raised in France and nothing atrocious happened to them to make them become radicalized. They have nothing personal to revenge. They killed in the name of what they understood from the Islamic religion. They are barbarians without any excuse.

 

[Khalifa Jayy]

What does a march like this accomplish in tangible ways?

(Note: I'm not saying this shouldn't happen. I'm honestly curious what society can "get" out of something like this. I want that ah-ha moment.)

 

[BaronLundi]

What does a march like this accomplish in tangible ways?

(Note: I'm not saying this shouldn't happen. I'm honestly curious what society can "get" out of something like this. I want that ah-ha moment.)

Well outside of many symbolic images, like this one (you might not think it's a big deal but I'd never thought I'd see that in France)

It's a statement: we want to live together despite the threats, we reject obscurantism, we are not afraid, you can't kill us all.

Of course it'll hardly have an effect on the terrorist themselves but it's a pretty strong statement made by people and society as a whole. Also it helps with the mourning and to heal the wounds after a very very difficult week.

Or, as another poster said it better:

For the people who are for terrorism: We're not afraid.

To people who are at risk: Our way of freedom and tolerance is better.

To everyone else: We are strong, we are proud, we are unbeatable.

 

[sonikokaruto]

is it dumb to say that this kind of marches are the most dangerous thing to do?

i mean, let's get a bunch of world leaders on the same spot, cuz, you know, less ammo/bombs spent on trying to down them

 

[cwmartin]

is it dumb to say that this kind of marches are the most dangerous thing to do?

i mean, let's get a bunch of world leaders on the same spot, cuz, you know, less ammo/bombs spent on trying to down them

The whole point is to prove we are not afraid.

 

[Beaulieu]

Don't know if it's been posted
Israeli newspaper photoshops women out of the leaders picture...

http://rue89.nouvelobs.com/2015/01/12/sont-les-femmes-merkel-hidalgo-effacees-photo-manif-257053

cray

 

[BaronLundi]

Don't know if it's been posted
Israeli newspaper photoshops women out of the leaders picture...

http://rue89.nouvelobs.com/2015/01/12/sont-les-femmes-merkel-hidalgo-effacees-photo-manif-257053


cray

It's not just some israeli newspaper it's Hamevasser, an hassidic paper so I'm not surprised (you know the guys who refuse to sit next to women in planes, yeah those idiots).

cray indeed.

 

[CadetMahoney]

Israeli newspaper photoshops women out of the leaders picture...

omfg

 

[Chariot]

Don't know if it's been posted
Israeli newspaper photoshops women out of the leaders picture...

cray

The hell. We should immediately stop supporting a country that tries to deny Mutti

Spoiler

and does a lot of fucked up stuff.

.

 

[ComputerMKII]

Don't know if it's been posted
Israeli newspaper photoshops women out of the leaders picture...

http://rue89.nouvelobs.com/2015/01/12/sont-les-femmes-merkel-hidalgo-effacees-photo-manif-257053

cray

But they left Mahmoud Abbas

 

[Palette Swap]

Prosecuting Dieudonné is pretty stupid. Don't get me wrong, I think Dieudonné is a despicable, utter asshole who's going out of his way to promote antisemitism. But I also think we shouldn't give him so much publicity.
Then again, that's coming from someone as tasteless and illiterate as Valls, who had to go out of his way to mention Houellebecq in a speech about hate and terrorism. Great way to show his support to freedom of speech.
Textbook definition of "idiot utile".

Right-wing french journalist on Twitter

(CRIF = Representative council of the french jewish organisations)


" Proud to have participated to the Republican march against the Islamization of France, side by side with my friends from the CRIF and the french jewish community "


" We were marching to pay tribute to the victims, for the attacked Republic and against jihadism. Nothing else. "

That's amazing.

 

[KimiNewt]

Don't know if it's been posted
Israeli newspaper photoshops women out of the leaders picture...

http://rue89.nouvelobs.com/2015/01/12/sont-les-femmes-merkel-hidalgo-effacees-photo-manif-257053

cray

Note that the paper is a ultra-religious paper with a tiny minority distribution. It's awful but they always do this. Photographs with women are either photoshopped or blurred (like you're watching asian porn).

Also, from that article, apparently another paper (much more mainstream, mainly due to the fact that it's given away freely and pretty much everywhere while the other papers aren't) photoshopped the picture so Bibi is at the centre of it (as did a Jordanian paper, of which I don't know the popularity level of, to their King).

 

[Mimosa97]

God damn this image might even top in my book that incredible photo of La statue de la République with the French flag and a guy holding an oversized pen.

Juste magnifique.

I love how the Le Pen supporters are already pouring their hate in the comments about the fact that there were foreign flags during the march and that it was a disgrace and those people should be kicked out of France blablabla.
Fucking idiots can't even start to grasp what we were marching for.

 

[gutter_trash]

Don't know if it's been posted
Israeli newspaper photoshops women out of the leaders picture...

http://rue89.nouvelobs.com/2015/01/12/sont-les-femmes-merkel-hidalgo-effacees-photo-manif-257053

cray

wow, that is misogynists.

Religions... eh

 

[Mimosa97]

Next Charlie Hebdo cover revealed

" All is forgiven "

" I am Charlie "

 

[Naked Snake]

Next Charlie Hebdo cover revealed

" All is forgiven "

" I am Charlie "

Source? Edit: nevermind.

 

[CadetMahoney]

love it.

Will they sell these outside France?

 

[DiipuSurotu]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=969869

New thread in case people haven't seen it

 

[dosh]

What does a march like this accomplish in tangible ways?

(Note: I'm not saying this shouldn't happen. I'm honestly curious what society can "get" out of something like this. I want that ah-ha moment.)

It was a pretty fucked up week here, and everybody was feeling miserable. Until people started gathering spontaneously in the streets during the first evening after the killings. And then the next evening, and then the next.

Of course, this march doesn't really accomplish anything, but the people needed this. Because it felt good.

I've witnessed things I honestly believed I would never see in my lifetime: muslims and jews falling in each other arms crying, people cheering policemen, millions of citizens marching together in the cold without complaining (we're French, complaining is kind of our thing), and not a single incident... It was fucking fantastic and cathartic.

 

[Alx]

It was a pretty fucked up week here, and everybody was feeling miserable. Until people started gathering spontaneously in the streets during the first evening after the killings. And then the next evening, and then the next.

Of course, this march doesn't really accomplish anything, but the people needed this. Because it felt good.

I've witnessed things I honestly believed I would never see in my lifetime: muslims and jews falling in each other arms crying, people cheering policemen, millions of citizens marching together in the cold without complaining (we're French, complaining is kind of our thing), and not a single incident... It was fucking fantastic and cathartic.

Hear hear. I'm glad we all did that march. It was beautiful.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

It was a pretty fucked up week here, and everybody was feeling miserable. Until people started gathering spontaneously in the streets during the first evening after the killings. And then the next evening, and then the next.

Of course, this march doesn't really accomplish anything, but the people needed this. Because it felt good.

I've witnessed things I honestly believed I would never see in my lifetime: muslims and jews falling in each other arms crying, people cheering policemen, millions of citizens marching together in the cold without complaining (we're French, complaining is kind of our thing), and not a single incident... It was fucking fantastic and cathartic.

Dunno if it's just a random coincidence but someone SMILED to me when I sat near them in the subway this morning. I've never seen that before, lol.

 

[ComputerMKII]

President Barack Obama's administration admitted it erred by failing to send a higher-ranking representative of the United States to the Paris unity march on Sunday.

 

[astroturfing]

It was a pretty fucked up week here, and everybody was feeling miserable. Until people started gathering spontaneously in the streets during the first evening after the killings. And then the next evening, and then the next.

Of course, this march doesn't really accomplish anything, but the people needed this. Because it felt good.

I've witnessed things I honestly believed I would never see in my lifetime: muslims and jews falling in each other arms crying, people cheering policemen, millions of citizens marching together in the cold without complaining (we're French, complaining is kind of our thing), and not a single incident... It was fucking fantastic and cathartic.

that sounds awesome. after all something good HAS to come out of this. maybe most people of all stripes in France are now even less tolerant of violence? i hope so.

keep showing the way forward.

 

[Mimosa97]

It was a pretty fucked up week here, and everybody was feeling miserable. Until people started gathering spontaneously in the streets during the first evening after the killings. And then the next evening, and then the next.

Of course, this march doesn't really accomplish anything, but the people needed this. Because it felt good.

I've witnessed things I honestly believed I would never see in my lifetime: muslims and jews falling in each other arms crying, people cheering policemen, millions of citizens marching together in the cold without complaining (we're French, complaining is kind of our thing), and not a single incident... It was fucking fantastic and cathartic.

Hear hear. My uncle who used to be a police officer cried like a baby when he saw people cheering policemen and claping when police vehicules passed them. He told my mom that he thought he would never see that in his lifetime. Made him so proud to be French.

 

[Chariot]

President Barack Obama's administration admitted it erred by failing to send a higher-ranking representative of the United States to the Paris unity march on Sunday.

What, Biden and Obama were at home all day?
And Holder was already in Paris, but somehow didn't show up to the march?
This is... really weak.

 

[Khalifa Jayy]

It was a pretty fucked up week here, and everybody was feeling miserable. Until people started gathering spontaneously in the streets during the first evening after the killings. And then the next evening, and then the next.

Of course, this march doesn't really accomplish anything, but the people needed this. Because it felt good.

I've witnessed things I honestly believed I would never see in my lifetime: muslims and jews falling in each other arms crying, people cheering policemen, millions of citizens marching together in the cold without complaining (we're French, complaining is kind of our thing), and not a single incident... It was fucking fantastic and cathartic.

Good stuff.

 

[Messofanego]

It was a pretty fucked up week here, and everybody was feeling miserable. Until people started gathering spontaneously in the streets during the first evening after the killings. And then the next evening, and then the next.

Of course, this march doesn't really accomplish anything, but the people needed this. Because it felt good.

I've witnessed things I honestly believed I would never see in my lifetime: muslims and jews falling in each other arms crying, people cheering policemen, millions of citizens marching together in the cold without complaining (we're French, complaining is kind of our thing), and not a single incident... It was fucking fantastic and cathartic.

Fantastic, thank you for relaying this.

 

[ComputerMKII]

Mind = Blown

 

[Naked Snake]

Mind = Blown

A photographer composed his photo to a popular and well-regarded photo composition tool? You don't say

I guarantee there are dozens and dozens of frames of that scene from the same camera before and after this shot was taken, and from different angles. But this is the one that was chosen and published because it's "the best" one.

But yeah, it's neat to see it like that

 

[ComputerMKII]

A photographer composed his photo to a popular and well-regarded photo composition tool? You don't say

I guarantee there are dozens and dozens of frames of that scene from the same camera before and after this shot was taken, and from different angles. But this is the one that was chosen and published because it's "the best" one.

But yeah, it's neat to see it like that

Actually, in this article, the photographer said he just came home, had a drink with his friends, then shared the picture on Twitter without trying to know if it was the best one. The next day, he realized thousand of people had shared it and French and foreign media wanted to contact him.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Another angle from someone else earlier that day:

Source: http://www.messynessychic.com/2015/01/12/a-day-with-charlie-in-paris/

 

[Naked Snake]

Actually, in this article, the photographer said he just came home, had a drink with his friends, then shared the picture on Twitter without trying to know if it was the best one. The next day, he realized thousand of people had shared it and French and foreign media wanted to contact him.

He might have not tried to know which was the best photo (which is not exactly an objective thing anyway), but it's entirely likely that his brain unconsciously made him pick one, because it has certain characteristics that humans evolved to focus on. I am a hobbyist photographer and whenever I import a new shoot into Lightroom I often catch my brain "automatically" taking my gaze towards certain shots after a quick glance at rows of thumbnails. And those shots often turn out to be "the best" ones after I carefully compare them all.

Anyway, it's a neat story.

 

[Joni]

Dieudonné - the stand-up 'comedian' that said 'JeSuisCoulibaly' - has been arrested.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2...n-garde-a-vue-pour-apologie-du-terrorisme.php

 

[Kurtofan]

Dieudonné - the stand-up 'comedian' that said 'JeSuisCoulibaly' - has been arrested.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2...n-garde-a-vue-pour-apologie-du-terrorisme.php

I remember people defending him saying he was against Islamist terrorism as well as Zionism, doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Probably old, but haven't seen it here:

Yeah those world leaders surely marched with the people. At least they were in the same city, I guess.

 

[ComputerMKII]

Probably old, but haven't seen it here:



Yeah those world leaders surely marched with the people. At least they were in the same city, I guess.

Who said the world leaders would be in the same group as the rest of the people?

 

[Kurtofan]

Eh, I can understand not having very important people right next to a big crowd after a terrorist attack, you can see the rest of the crowd behind them on the picture anyway.

 

[KingSnake]

It's obvious for security reasons. It was anyhow like an open invitation for the terrorists. Plus it's quite difficult to control a crowd of a million people. Just a little scare somewhere could have resulted in some of the leaders to be literally crushed.