firehawk12
Subete no aware
What assholes. lol
I guess you gotta hope they do the comic book thing that everyone with a cancelled tv show does nowadays.
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2016-17 TV Cancellations Thread: TNT finds "Nothing can come of nothing."
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I guess you gotta hope they do the comic book thing that everyone with a cancelled tv show does nowadays.
BronsonLee
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Netflix needs to learn how to reign in a goddamn budget after The Crown + The Get Down + Marco Polo
Sense8 ended on a cliffhanger too...why did the Wachowskis do that when they KNEW it barely even got renewed for a 2nd season?
Dedication Through Light
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Does Hulu cancel shows, or are they the lone keep everything company.
RatskyWatsky
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tearsintherain
Member
I wonder if they will ever cancel House of Cards and Orange is the New Black, its petty but I really don't like either show and somehow feel that if both stopped it would give more headroom for better shows on Netflix. Although I think Stranger Things and 13 Reasons is going to open up a whole lot new genres and audiences for them.
I do hope JMS had a great relationship with Netflix and works on something new with them, I'd love a 2017 Bablyon-5 type of idea from him with a fully contained 4-5 season story, just something a bit more accessible than Sense8.
I do hope JMS had a great relationship with Netflix and works on something new with them, I'd love a 2017 Bablyon-5 type of idea from him with a fully contained 4-5 season story, just something a bit more accessible than Sense8.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Orange is the New Black ends up being 10 seasons, or really close to that. Kohan's 'Weeds' went on for 8 seasons. They're using the same sets every year, and characters can be added and removed by virtue of the premise. Piper was the focus early on, but it's definitely more of an ensemble now.
I want more shows like Anne with an E. Things that don't feel like they were specifically written to be binge watched.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Like, I love that Netflix is swinging for the fences with shit like the Dark Crystal series and The Witcher, but they need to actually focus on nurturing their current shows instead of continually ordering a million new ones everyday.
I don't expect them to keep every show going forever, especially if they don't seem to be resonating with their subscriber base, but making sure every show gets a conclusion seems like the only logical model for a content hub like Netflix where people are constantly discovering older shows.
People seek out complete stories (when it comes to serialized shows), and I bet a not insignificant amount of people will avoid Marco Polo and Sense8 in the future, knowing that both shows ended on massive cliffhangers. It doesn't make sense that they'd devalue their own stuff like this.
I don't expect them to keep every show going forever, especially if they don't seem to be resonating with their subscriber base, but making sure every show gets a conclusion seems like the only logical model for a content hub like Netflix where people are constantly discovering older shows.
People seek out complete stories (when it comes to serialized shows), and I bet a not insignificant amount of people will avoid Marco Polo and Sense8 in the future, knowing that both shows ended on massive cliffhangers. It doesn't make sense that they'd devalue their own stuff like this.
Puck Beaverton
Banned
Huh, Looking and Sense8 both get cancelled because nobody watches them.
MAKES YOU THINK
MAKES YOU THINK
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Lilyhammer and The Get Down's cancellations at least made sense since both ended conclusively.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
It's the opposite of closure.
Ragnarsson
Member
At least they could have ordered a special episode or a shorter season to wrap things up... Damn.
Dedication Through Light
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Its also a strange time to cancel it considering there are still ads airing advertising it.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Unlike a conventional network, there's no reason Netflix shouldn't advertise cancelled shows; most of their subscriptions are driven by people watching their catalogue. Hulu advertises Seinfeld.
BattleMonkey
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He shouldn't be cancelling shows that under perform? Sense8 had an insane budget, if the viewers aren't there, hes making the right calls on cancelling these shows. Lot of people were pretty amazed at how liberally Netflix was tossing around money, it wasn't going to last.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
The thing that's so frustrating and disappointing about Sense8's cancellation is that it was wholly unique - sure there are a lot of other shows to watch in #PeakTV, but nothing even remotely close to Sense8. Nothing will fill that hole.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=238836159&postcount=9414
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=238836159&postcount=9414
Is that a joke about the orgies?
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Is this animegaf??NO
maybe
I thought I remembered that Vulture had called it:
As did Ratsky (earning that Hunky Nostradamus tag):
As did Ratsky (earning that Hunky Nostradamus tag):
Looking like it more and more.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Boyle from Brooklyn 99 is my Husbando~
Oh yeah, I just heard of this podcast: http://www.mydadwroteaporno.com/podcast/
What are the chances this becomes a TV show, if it hasn't already?
Good chances, though it'll probably get downgraded like Zack and Miri Make A Porno was, where they called it Zack and Miri in some markets. So watch out for My Dad Wrote An Adult Film, starring William Shatner!
That article misses the one major factor that led to Bloodline's cancellation (alongside an order for one more season to end it): Florida decided to end its tax credits significantly changing the cost of the show. That was what ultimately did it in.
are you really going to be that intellectually dishonest? The first 4 eps were up on streaming 4/21. Every Showtime member already watched them before 4/28. Moving forward it'll be weekly, one ep.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
PHOENIXZERO
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One would think Netflix would at least want to end their own productions with a proper ending since IDK how many people are interested in watching something if they know it ends without closure.
xrnzaaas
Member
Netflix starting to cancel their shows was bound to happen. They were throwing money left and right and renewing everything (remember that House of Cards was planned to have 2 seasons?), but now they got too many of them and they got burned with the more expensive ones. But yeah, I also think that since they don't operate in the same way as traditional tv networks they should have plans in place to give fans of each show a closure if it has to end prematurely.
Yeah I haven't seen season 2 yet but hearing it ends on a cliffhanger makes me not want to watch at all.
Given Netflix's model you would think they would give them an extra episode or 2 to the or everything up. It's not like they need to go and order another full season
If they want to save money they could start by cutting the marvel shows down to 8 episodes each
I don't necessarily think she's wrong as such. But nor do I think she's right.
The continued existence of OITNB, Empire, Insecure, The Fosters, etc. makes a fairly compelling case that exclusivity isn't the deciding factor for whether or not a show gets cancelled.
Making a case that there is a trend with not much data to back it up is wobbly at best, and one of the shows she uses as an example (East Los High) ran for 4 seasons and got a movie finale to finish its storylines. Not exactly a compelling data point.
The fall lineup from traditional broadcast networks is admittedly fairly anaemic (and not just in melanin), but I do think it is a bit early to call it a trend.
I fear for it too. I fear we will be getting more episodes of it.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Yeah, I have always thought that getting into the own content business was the right move by Netflix as it allows them to expand their range of content without being beholden to the content providers. But shows that end on major cliffhangers are next to useless for this. Even a one off special that just ties a bow on it it would seem to make financial sense. They have so many shows on the service that became cult hits after a truncated wrap up final season, that it seems strange that they don't get this.
dead souls
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Lol. I mentioned in the comment you quoted that it was up for a week before it aired. But let's get real here for a minute. Showtime frequently puts up season premieres or episodes that are going to air on holiday weekends online/on demand a week early and yet when they air the live numbers are nowhere near as bad as Twin Peaks 3&4. They've even aired shows where every single episode for a season was up on demand a week early and the live ratings weren't as bad as the laughable numbers Twin Peaks pulled last Sunday.
So what does this mean? Occam's Razor says to me it's a flop and I'm not sure how anyone can really argue otherwise. Showtime is probably horrified that they have 13 more weeks of this to air.
KonradLaw
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It's sure going to be interesting to see the ratings for the episodes they didn't put up early on their app.
dead souls
Member
I'm really interested to see as well. I assume it will bounce back a bit next week.
Wellll, not every Showtime member
they all had access. most of them. if not, that's on them.
do you read?
http://www.avclub.com/article/twin-peaks-came-through-streaming-numbers-expected-255990
"Twin Peaks has been extremely good for the network's streaming services; Showtime has seen its biggest uptick in subscriptions to Showtime Anytime and Showtime On Demand ever. "
Oh yeah. Horrified.......
"TV critic discovers tv shows are a business"
Except Sense8 seemed to be very popular and drew viewers and subscriptions. Which helps business.
I haven't seen it. But it drew way more than other shows that are still around.
I knew 4-5 people who watched it and I'd never seen it. And I watch a SHITLOAD of TV. Meaning it was so popular that people that don't even watch that many shows had seen it.
seems like they could have tried to cut costs.
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