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[iconoclast]

Likely, but at the same time they prevent/limit any growth of their fan base. I'd rather see them thrive as much as possible.

I guess we'll have to wait and see how Guwange does then. Maybe if it sells 60,000 lol) Cave will move towards digital distribution.

 

[danmaku]

Releasing on disc in limited numbers (prints) will keep it niche for sure, but with DD you can bait people with easy access (availability, demos and sales) and the threshold for trying something new would be much lower. You also don't have to invest upfront in physical production of media and its distribution.

Well, printing discs (DVDs) and manuals isn't a big cost, and their games (even region free ones) are distributed only in Japan. Plus, their margin on each copy is higher than your typical AAA 360 game.

It's true that with DD more people are going to try the game and buy it, but as Mandoric said, "more" sales isn't enough. They need 5x/6x more copies than now to make more money; Death Smiles is their biggest hit so far and it sold about 40k copies. Futari and Espgaluda 2 sold less than that (and they were region free). Do you think an XBLA version of DS could sell 250k copies? hard to tell.

 

[ChryZ]

By admitting that they will make less money, you are also admitting that any perceived growth of their "fan base" isn't very significant. If so, what's the point? If by selling a game at 20 bucks they can expand the fan base by 10x, then sure they should most definitely do it. If we're talking about 15k buyers versus 8k buyers, it's not even worth discussing. That's not thriving, that's just being stupid.

Sometimes you have to sell something at a lower price in order to promote growth. The more cows you can lure into your stable, the more milk you can make in the future.

 

[duckroll]

Sometimes you have to sell something at a lower price in order to promote growth. The more cows you can lure into your stable, the more milk you can make in the future.

I'm pretty sure Cave knows more about how well their business model is working than you do. You don't want to pay more than 20 bucks for their games, that's fine. They're not going to sell for less.

 

[sixteen-bit]

I'm just happy gives a shit about the console market at all.

 

[Tain]

I'm pretty sure Cave knows more about how well their business model is working than you do. You don't want to pay more than 20 bucks for their games, that's fine. They're not going to sell for less.

Yeah. Cave knows what they're doing, and they understand that they just might not have to sell these games as second-class titles.

It's totally expected (though still annoying) that most of the thread is talk of a 360 port, but asking for brand fuckin' new Cave games on digital distribution for budget prices is probably the worst kind of port begging. I'd love for all content-rich games that I'll play for a while to be ten bucks on release, but it's nice to want things.

on-topic, what are the chances that this is 2D? That's a mighty small PCB, so here's hoping. I wish the game was vertical; honestly, the fact that it's horizontal makes me worry a tiny bit. Hopefully that isn't their thing now!

 

[NonexistentK]

i remember reading somewhere that Cave actually wanted to put tons of their games on XBLA but MS refused them. iirc they said MS was axing down the faithful arcade ports to XBLA.

 

[LiK]

i remember reading somewhere that Cave actually wanted to put tons of their games on XBLA but MS refused them. They said MS was axing down the faithful arcade ports on XBLA or something.

The DodonPachi XBLA port was denied by MS a few years ago, iirc

 

[Chiaroscuro]

I wish the game was vertical; honestly, the fact that it's horizontal makes me worry a tiny bit. Hopefully that isn't their thing now!

Sadly, I think it is their new thing really. Vertical shmups does not translate well to widescreen consoles, and the console market is now a big source of incoming for Cave, so they cannot ignore it. The fact their new game is a hori means that it is done with console ports in mind.

 

[sixteen-bit]

i remember reading somewhere that Cave actually wanted to put tons of their games on XBLA but MS refused them. iirc they said MS was axing down the faithful arcade ports to XBLA.

Where did you hear that?

Because Guwange is coming, you know.

 

[Chiaroscuro]

i remember reading somewhere that Cave actually wanted to put tons of their games on XBLA but MS refused them. iirc they said MS was axing down the faithful arcade ports to XBLA.

Half true. It was not Cave, it was 5pb which had their license. And so those games ended as full disc releases. The problem was that at the time MS was trying to not allow straight arcade ports with no enhance at all (like a lot of those games were flooding XBLA at the time). 5pb did not submit any enhance (in fact even the disc releases only have a simple filter and not HD sprites or new modes, like other Cave ports that followed it).

The fact Guwange is comming to XBLA by Cave means that those kind of games are allowed as long as they are improved over the originals.

 

[LiK]

Where did you hear that?

Because Guwange is coming, you know.

That was a few years ago when XBLA had the size limit and MS was more strict with ports.

 

[djdac]

Sounds promising!

 

[Tain]

Sadly, I think it is their new thing really. Vertical shmups does not translate well to widescreen consoles, and the console market is now a big source of incoming for Cave, so they cannot ignore it. The fact their new game is a hori means that it is done with console ports in mind.

Cave slowly shifting focus to consoles is definitely my worry. We'll see, I guess.

 

[danmaku]

The DodonPachi XBLA port was denied by MS a few years ago, iirc

yep, Microsoft canned the DOJ and Ketsui ports on Live Arcade. Either they changed their mind or the real motive had nothing to do with a "no arcade ports" policy (maybe 5PB wasn't up to MS standards for XBLA?).

edit: beaten

 

[NonexistentK]

Where did you hear that?
Because Guwange is coming, you know.

well this was some time ago and it was a 5pb rep who made the statement but here's the quote & the link

Our initial plan was to port lots of good arcade titles to XBLA. We talked to IP holders of these titles, and persuaded them. We secured these licenses, and finally talked with Microsoft. There they rejected all of our proposals saying, 'We are going to cut down faithful arcade ports.' We felt so frustrated. We wanted to show them that their decision was wrong. So we switched our two most promising projects into retail

link

 

[djtiesto]

I hate these kinds of arguments... people implying that because a game is 2D, it must be "low budget" and relegated to the DD libraries. Listen, some people 1) prefer to own a physical copy of games, and 2) a lot of these games have far more depth and replay value than a high-budget $60 retail release that takes 5 hours to plow through.

That said, I'm hoping the game gets either a US 360 release, or a region free Japanese 360 release. Will be buying it if that's the case, as I <3 Cave.

 

[JEKKI]

I am so hype!!

Butterfly in the sky

I can go twice as high

Take a look

It's in a book

A Red Katana

I can go anywhere

Friends to know

And ways to grow

A Red Katana

 

[Narcosis]

All I ask is for a region free release on home consoles when it comes time, or localization. Please, someone do this.

 

[hikarutilmitt]

But look at that skirt! Bet she's not wearing panties. Thank you CAVE :lol

Fixed for Reko's sake.

 

[mjemirzian]

First screenshots of the game spotted! Also a completely awesome excuse to post in this thread. And the price? 198,000 yen, or $2,276.69 USD. Start saving up your pennies!

 

[danmaku]

It totally looks like a Progear sequel (just look at the pattern fired by the green plane!). 2D or 3D? can't tell from such small pics...

 

[Tain]

Looking good from those tiny shots.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Yeah, it looks 2D but that could just be an illusion created by the resolution

 

[Tain]

So there isn't any confirmation that it's 3d? That's good to hear.

PCB is tiny. Hope that's some compact SH3 hardware!

 

[Chiaroscuro]

It does look like 2D judging from the green plane. Cave 3D models are not that detailed (based on DSII).

 

[∀ Narayan]

Love the artwork. Can't wait to see what it's like.

 

[shintoki]

Hold me now!

 

[RavenFox]

well this was some time ago and it was a 5pb rep who made the statement but here's the quote & the link

link

Damn did Sony shit on them to? Or this was a 360 thing only?

 

[sixteen-bit]

Damn did Sony shit on them to? Or this was a 360 thing only?

Yes, Arika was going to port Ketsui to PS3 after they were unable to get it running perfectly on PS2, but Sony shot them down.

I wonder why they never went to 360 after being turned down though. I'd much rather play an Arika Ketsui than a 5pb one

 

[Chiaroscuro]

I wonder why they never went to 360 after being turned down though. I'd much rather play an Arika Ketsui than a 5pb one

After DonDonPachi fisco, wasn´t Ketsui 360 port supervised by Akira anyway?

 

[sixteen-bit]

After DonDonPachi fisco, wasn´t Ketsui 360 port supervised by Akira anyway?

That would be surprisingly amiable of them working together considering 5pb stole Arika code for DDPDOJBLEX

 

[depths20XX]

I'd much rather play an Arika Ketsui than a 5pb one

Luckily 5pb did a fantastic job on it. Took their time though.

 

[Chiaroscuro]

That would be surprisingly amiable of them working together considering 5pb stole Arika code for DDPDOJBLEX

It was not 5pb, but the company they hired to do the port (Aqua Systems). 5pb managing issued apologies for that and if I remember well, worked with Akira to fix the game by patch.

See http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2009/06/19/dodonpachi_controversy/
and http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/02/03/dodonpachi_patch_delay/

So, Mihara (Akira) was supervising DDPDOJBLEX patch fix.

 

[Shadow Red]

Man, I can't stop looking at the art. Hopefully, we'll see more screens when their website is updated.

 

[sixteen-bit]

It was not 5pb, but the company they hired to do the port (Aqua Systems). 5pb managing issued apologies for that and if I remember well, worked with Akira to fix the game by patch.

See http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2009/06/19/dodonpachi_controversy/
and http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/02/03/dodonpachi_patch_delay/

So, Mihara (Akira) was supervising DDPDOJBLEX patch fix.

Well, thanks for the clarification

 

[Daigoro]

Those games should be on PSN or XBLA, gah >_<

ugh. every fucking shmup thread...

It totally looks like a Progear sequel (just look at the pattern fired by the green plane!). 2D or 3D? can't tell from such small pics...

yeah that pattern does look pretty Progearesque. cool!

i love hori's so im really looking forward to hopefully being able to play this one day. loving the concept and bullet points for the game.

cant wait to see some real screens.

 

[luka]

I was kind of hoping for 16:9 this time. Hard to tell from the screens but it looks nice enough.

Spoiler

ps3 please

 

[DCharlie]

I'd much rather play an Arika Ketsui than a 5pb one

well, there really isn't much lacking from the final released version other than more expansive display options. Really is a fantastic effort.

The DDP patch - it's like my massive 14 inch willy: there's a lot of talk about it but no one ever gets to see it and chances are that it doesn't really exist.

 

[InfiniteNine]

Will buy the PCB if it is 2D. SOMEONE CLARIFY, and how do I go about using the PCB board there?

I was kind of hoping for 16:9 this time. Hard to tell from the screens but it looks nice enough.

Spoiler

ps3 please

Definitely 4:3.

Those games should be on PSN or XBLA, gah >_<

I hope you get eaten by bears.

 

[Mandoric]

Will buy the PCB if it is 2D. SOMEONE CLARIFY, and how do I go about using the PCB board there?

It plugs into an old-style JAMMA chassis with 15k monitor or SuperGun adapted for 4 buttons, and you'll want the attached stick to be 8-way.

 

[Tain]

placing bets:

goty 2010 bitches

 

[InfiniteNine]

It plugs into an old-style JAMMA chassis with 15k monitor or SuperGun adapted for 4 buttons, and you'll want the attached stick to be 8-way.

Good to know. Thank you kind sir!

placing bets:

goty 2010 bitches

I'm with you on this.

 

[CaseyTappy]

Its going to be expensive on PCB for the first couple of years , I would kill for a full kit if its anything like Progear though .

 

[shuri]

2000$!

 

[CaseyTappy]

Probably more , DAIFUKKATSU BL is 2250,- at Fujita .

I still have Progear to keep me warm though :

 

[danmaku]

placing bets:

goty 2011 bitches

fixed for us filthy gaijin and console users

 

[InfiniteNine]

Got $3500 coming in next month so good timing on their part. Need to do some research on the JAMMA cab and everything though. This will be a lot of work since this will be my first time doing something like this.

 

[CaseyTappy]

Got $3500 coming in next month so good timing on their part. Need to do some research on the JAMMA cab and everything though. This will be a lot of work since this will be my first time doing something like this.

You can get lots of info here :

http://forum.arcadeotaku.com/

Read the Wiki !

 

[InfiniteNine]

You can get lots of info here :

http://forum.arcadeotaku.com/

Read the Wiki !

Would that place happen to have a guide to set up something like this? (Can't find it myself ATM)

Had a talk about this with someone before on an image board and he posted what he used.