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All Uber self-driving cars ordered off roads by California DMV due to multiple errors
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Uber could very easily release the car's logs to prove that a human driver was in control, but hasn't. Until they provide that proof there's not much reason to believe them.
show me your skeleton
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did they say "people could die, this obviously not ready for primetime" about the traditional car? or the horse and carriage?
did they say "people could die, this obviously not ready for primetime" about the traditional car? or the horse and carriage?
old manatee
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It would be so terrifying to be in a crosswalk and see a driverless car bearing down on you.
This is why the software solution is so stupid.
I'd feel much safer if the Executives of these companies were the ones who will get done when they go wrong. Their the dangerous driver. I highly doubt it.
To be honest, I'll take their assertion that a human was at the wheel at the time of these accidents at face value. It doesn't matter. Unless the human is at the wheel 100% of the time they shouldn't be running these vehicles in California without a license. If one of their vehicles is involved in an accident, whether their fault or not, and they don't have the appropriate license the blowback will be enormous.
Uber needs to release the records and they should have gotten a license. They are morons and are potentially ruining this for everyone. That being said the two sightings i'm mostly seeing are from Lyft and a standard cab driver...of course they are going to report on Uber and of course Uber is going to say it was the drivers fault. Again they need to be transparent.
killer rin
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We really just need all self-driving car companies to come together under a single consortium/association already. We have companies like Uber who are far behind making Self-Driving cars look bad, we have companies like Google so far ahead they should be in the hands of the public next week and we have everybody in between.
Get a consortium going, share the tech, develop a standard so all the cars can speak to one another and when it comes to the all important money, just divvy it out based on the percentage of components that get implemented.
Get a consortium going, share the tech, develop a standard so all the cars can speak to one another and when it comes to the all important money, just divvy it out based on the percentage of components that get implemented.
Azure Dream
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I totally believe we both need self-driving cars as soon as they're viable, and they're bound to make mistakes early on, but I did get the feeling Uber had them out there a little too fast, considering the other companies working on it.
Again: Don't screw it up for everybody.
Again: Don't screw it up for everybody.
Agent_ShortBus
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I must be the only one completely against self driving cars. I love driving, it's a fun hobby of mine, I guess I'd be cool with it as an optional feature.
Pagusas
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Why are you COMPLETEY against it? You do realize some people dont like driving, right? You also realize that anything that reduces accidents is welcome. So are you really COMPLETELY against it? No one is saying "make it a mandatory thing for all", though eventually insurance rates would move us in that direction, but not for an extremely long time.
Hari Seldon
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Something tells me Uber is pushing this out because they need hype for investors even though it is years away from being ready.
The problem comparing with Google isn't just that Google is obeying laws, it's that Google is significantly further ahead than competitors. If we look at their monthly reports and their 'disengagement' frequency, it's incomparable. Like, depending on how you measure, Google is something like 1 disengagement per 800-1200 miles. Uber and many other competitors are like... 1 disengagement per mile, maybe some are up to 1 per 10.
And it's not an apples to apples comparison, as some of these cars are driving on very easy roads with very few edge cases, and some (like Google) are in some cases, competing with pedestrians.
Maybe Tesla is a close second to Google, but they aren't as open with sharing their numbers.
And it's not an apples to apples comparison, as some of these cars are driving on very easy roads with very few edge cases, and some (like Google) are in some cases, competing with pedestrians.
Maybe Tesla is a close second to Google, but they aren't as open with sharing their numbers.
Hari Seldon
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Blaming this on the human is complete horseshit. If the car operates for two weeks straight without making a mistake it is definitely going to lull the driver into a false sense of security, especially if it is something as simple as a red light that it is probably stopped at hundreds if not thousands of times.
So their entire argument is "but but other states..."?
Septimus Prime
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Uber must be running that Geohot tech.
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It should absolutely be mandated on public road as soon as autonomous cars significantly outperform humans in safety and accident avoidance
This is exactly why the concept of moving into full autonomy in "stages," where humans give up more and more control over time, is an absolutely terrible idea. This is what the federal government is pushing for.
Full autonomy or no autonomy.
PandaShake
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Conspiracy hat: Charles, taxi employee, colludes with uber driver by filming him manually running red light to damage uber, their competition.
Probably not.
Probably not.
Lyft driver catches an Uber car fuckin' up, talks to the press.
This battle has just begun.
Some Lyft Drivers are also Uber Drivers are also Taxi Drivers.
Rode in one Uber who had all kinds of fucking stickers on the outside of her car and like, 4 different apps running at once.
You will have the option to drive on a closed track, but the minute this technology is perfected, human drivers should be illegal for new cars and expensive insurance for old cars.
True, true. They're all in the same sinking boat, I suppose.
Crayon
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That's worse than telling Americans to hand over all their guns.
I like driving too, but less deaths/injuries because of cars > my enjoyment
I'm guessing you have never been to Pittsburgh. The streets there are ridiculous due to terrain. Its also a pedestrian busy city with downtown arenas and multiple universities. Plus there are GPS black holes in various spots due to long tunnels. There are also lots of areas with 2 or more roads stacked on top of each other twisting to entirely different areas. This is due to the limited space for roads in an old city on multiple rivers and several mountainside of a sort.
Agent_ShortBus
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I guess I just don't like the idea of losing control over something like driving, I don't think I'd be able to completely trust a machine like a car with my life as crazy as that sounds. There's also the one story where the self driving car would put the life of the passengers first before anyone else including pedestrians. I'd like to think in that situation I'd rather crash and possibly die than to survive and kill some one else on the street. It's certainly for the best for all cars be self driving with the amount of bad drivers out there but I'd hate for insurance or any other kind of permits to keep driving older cars come into place or be able to only drive on a track. I guess I'm just too attached to my car. I treat it as an extension of myself, I fix every little problem myself and love working on it and not gonna lie I love showing off all the work I put into it by driving it around. I feel like an old man afraid of change lol.
The chance that you cause an incident would be way higher than the chance a selfdriving car ever gets over that position by the time this is really mass market.
It is like banning guns by stopping the production of bullets. They can do shit. Insurance companies will lose users so they are forced rip become more expensive while car makers will not want to put expensive shit like outside mirrors and steering wheels on their cars.
Pagusas
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Ha. good luck, and you think taking peoples guns away would be hard! The best way to cause a mass switch will be from slowly rising insurance rates. Eventually it will be too expensive to drive your own car.
I guess the poor citizens of this nation who can neither afford a new car or "expensive insurance" will just not be able to drive to work. Shame but I guess they were not making that much anyways amiright?
The Technomancer
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It obviously won't be illegal to drive manually until auto cars are as cheap or cheaper than regular cars
andthebeatgoeson
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No problems or no one has been watching?
Poisoning the well
hipsterpants
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Rushing this shit is just going to get someone killed. Then RIP automated cars for the foreseeable future.
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You don't have to take away people's cars. Just stop allowing the sale of manual cars and eventually stop licenses and insurance for them. there's plenty of ways they'll shift to autonomy
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Uber has no choice. They need to be able to drop their drivers asap.
This will not be an instant process, but I doubt insurance companies will care about poor people. And aside from that, things like Uber are working on cars as a service so you don't buy a car, you share.
shira
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With the amount of drug/drunk, flat out terrible, sleepy and texting/surfing drivers - it can't come soon enough
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