You are comparing an AMD chip with a totaly different chip that has a different architecture and a different purpose. Stop parroting "glofo is crap" around when you dont even grasp the basics.
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AMD announced Radeon RX460 and RX470 (June 29)
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TheLegendOfMart
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Wow.
Thought it was supposed to be comparable to 980 not the 970.
I can get 2nd hand 980 still in warranty for £200 or 970 for £160.
Hell I can get a brand new 970 for £214 or 8GB 390 for £210, the RX480 is gonna be £220 at the cheapest.
I didn't even have high expectations but they still managed to come under par.
Do you even know how cpus / gpus work?
not only are you comparing completely different processor architectures, performance and power targets. Clockspeed isn't even the be all end all of processor performance. AMD's older Athlon line from the 2000's outperformed the Pentium 4 at lower clock speeds and now intels cpu's outperform AMD's despite AMD pushing for 4ghz chips.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Someone better tell that guy whose friend was offering him a 970 for $160 to take that deal.
Sure, prove to me that GloFo aren't crap then. What have they ever done that was good compared to other foundries?
Don't bother tbh, as far as I can tell Unknown Soldier's entire schtick in this thread is concern trolling.
SomedayTheFire
Member
You're doing this again, really?
An overclocked 970 performs like a stock 980
Unknown Soldier
Member
The classic fallback for someone who has no argument is to attack the person.
Putting him on ignore now. So yeah, don't bother.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Ad Hominem was the phrase you were looking for.
Apparently these are fake/troll. These guys also say 5% overclock is max, '7% causes a crash'.
There's an argument happening? Certainly not one I've been involved in!
Unknown Soldier
Member
Yeah. Thanks for the help <3
I really wonder sometimes, now I have people taking it personally that I'm criticizing some mediocre multinational semiconductor foundry that hasn't ever done a single notable thing in terms of process innovation.
They're not even remotely close, a 970 is about 30% faster. The 380X wasn't even supposed to compete with the 970, it was released at a much lower price.
icecold1983
Member
Aztechnology
Member
I agree it's odd, I'm not really sure why they did that from a purely base comparison. Shouldn't they compare it with reference models of each card?
ethomaz
Banned
It is a less than 10% over... no GTX 980 level... propõe are hating over the magazine and the Guru3D guy needed to explain that... you need about 1500MHz on GTX 970 to reach GTX 980.
BTW seems like the magazine has a GTX 1060 in hands already.
Maybe the didn't have reference in hands... buy one just for the review???
BTW the Guru3D update...
"THE 970 USED IS AMP OMEGA
MANY PEOPLE CLAIMING THIS IS UNFAIR BECAUSE "HIGHLY OC'D 970". IT'S AT 1304 MHZ. NOT EVEN 10% OC COMPARED TO REFERENCE
HELLO! I am Ieldra from [H] and Guru3D, I am now taking over the thread from my cousin because it has gotten out of hand, please direct your anger at me on the top level comment I just made. Thank you"
Locuza
Member
The Mali GPU reaches over 2 Ghz?
Oh no, it doesn't.
Sadly for AMD because the 960 was smaller, way more efficient and got better Media-Features.
Just to drop a gif, take it with humour guys:
SneakyStephan
Banned
I think unknown soldier is very biased towards nvidia, but just calling him a fanboy or shitposting by using the 'concern troll' ad hominem is not productive
If his arguments are bad then counter them, don't just start getting mad and calling names.
And if you don't know enough to counter the arguments then you definitely shouldn't be getting mad or calling names.
That's just console wars and is not productive, it's also what got the last thread closed (rightfully)
If his arguments are bad then counter them, don't just start getting mad and calling names.
And if you don't know enough to counter the arguments then you definitely shouldn't be getting mad or calling names.
That's just console wars and is not productive, it's also what got the last thread closed (rightfully)
Aztechnology
Member
Oh so we know that's what it was running at? (1304mhz?) I didn't see any info on it so I didn't know. I thought it was strange that would be a heavily OC'd 970 when my reference 970 OC with 5820k @4.4ghz at 1350hz gets 58fps-65 FPS on Witcher 3 at highest settings aside from Hairworks at 1080p. Although to know exactly what settings they used etc. Theres very little info there.
As for your comment on references models. I personally can ask around and find people who have those reference cards and probably borrow them for the purpose of reviews. It couldn't be that hard for a gaming magazine to ask people or suppliers to supply cards for comparison right? Maybe I'm just oversimplifying it though. Are they a well known magazine or very tiny?
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I am a tad bit disappointed at the moment. I was expecting scores to be between 970 and a 980. These scores indicate a 970 level of performance, which is still OK given the pricepoint.
However, it remains to be seen once more benchmarks enter the wild, as some mentioned there is a decent chance these benchmarks were done with older drivers.
Nevertheless, the 480 is still my card of choice unless nvidia drops a bombshell and gets the 1060 out sooner than expected.
"Oh, a thread!"
Walks in
"Oh for the love of- Where are the mods when you need them?"
Walks in
"Oh for the love of- Where are the mods when you need them?"
coughlanio
Member
From article comments:
From Reddit:
From Reddit:
Caayn
Member
Newegg has several RX 480 models up: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...=1&N=100007709 601203818&Tpk=rx480&ignorear=1
No prices as of yet.
No prices as of yet.
Caayn
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https://twitter.com/Mindfactory_de/status/747841427275718656
Rough translation for the non German speaking gaffers: We are prepared for the AMD Radeon RX480.
Rough translation for the non German speaking gaffers: We are prepared for the AMD Radeon RX480.
Goddamn. This is the least paper launch I've ever seen.
RazorbackDB
Member
Damm, all those cards and I'm probably going to have to wait about 2 weeks for local stores to bring some.
☺️☺️☺️😍😍😍
Lol this is so awesome, hopefully it means we don't have to deal with long ass waits, and scalpers.
So looking forward to tomorrow.
that's a lot of graphics cards
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I doubt scalpers will be a serious issue. The main reason people are buying these is price. Without price people will likely buy a 970 or just wait until the Foundes Edition gouging of the 1070 ends.
Oh... so the review is FUD then. 7% OC causing a crash is absurdly unrealistic.
I hope so. Maybe I'm being paranoid.
icecold1983
Member
The Mali GPU reaches over 2 Ghz?
Oh no, it doesn't.
Sadly for AMD because the 960 was smaller, way more efficient and got better Media-Features.
Just to drop a gif, take it with humour guys:
id much rather have a 380x than a 960. the performance different is huge
Aztechnology
Member
The Mali GPU reaches over 2 Ghz?
Oh no, it doesn't.
Sadly for AMD because the 960 was smaller, way more efficient and got better Media-Features.
Just to drop a gif, take it with humour guys:
That Gif always gets me, can't help but crack a smile.
I usually ended up recommending the 960 for the $400-$450 range budget builds because it often went on sale between the $120-150 range. For the $500-600 level builds it was the R9 380x.
Goddamn, AMD is going hard with the inventory. The 4GB variant is feeling like a myth atm.
Some useful slides showing GCN improvements and the configuration of the RX 480.
There is a ton of info in those slides and a lot of improvements over how my old 290X handled things. I'm excited to pick up my card tomorrow afternoon.
Also, this thread is lacking Raja so...
There is a ton of info in those slides and a lot of improvements over how my old 290X handled things. I'm excited to pick up my card tomorrow afternoon.
Also, this thread is lacking Raja so...
comshoplesce
Member
any updates on RX 460/470? thanks.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Why are people assuming ALL 480s draw 10+ watts more from the PCIE slot?
opticalmace
Member
Wrong thread? Who said all anyway?
Cow Mengde
Banned
But the scores are between 970 and 980. There are some weak spots here and there, but that's basically what they delivered. It's only crazy people that thought it was competing with the 1070.
opticalmace
Member
The post you quoted is from before the NDA lifted, so it was based on some leaked benchmarks.
Cow Mengde
Banned
The perfect example of "wait for the benchmarks." I can't wait to see what it can do a few months down the line with even more mature drivers and more DX12/Vulkan games. Not to mention the 1060 is coming. Gotta see how that stacks up.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Seems Polaris is a good overclocker as rumoured:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1604421/various-amd-rx-480-review-thread/1900_20#post_25309169
1425Mhz overclock puts it near Fury X.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1604421/various-amd-rx-480-review-thread/1900_20#post_25309169
1425Mhz overclock puts it near Fury X.
vanguardian1
poor, homeless and tasteless
I think Nvidia would have to focus on offering a low power card that's overclockable more than "default performance", if it's significantly faster than the 480, it could start to draw attention from their 1070. If the 1060 is $249 for 3gb and $299 for 6gb, then it's stepping out of the same market segment as the 480's.
Cow Mengde
Banned
For that price, I am more than likely going RX 480.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
If the 1060 was 256-bit and was at 8GB, I would so buy it without hesitation.
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Same. I'm closely watching the 480 and 1060 and price is going to be the big factor. The rumored performance and power draw has me looking at the 1060 over the 480, but if they price it like that, I'd either go 480 or just bite the bullet and add 490 and 1070 to my GPU consideration list.