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AMD Mantle Thread - Time to shake some things up!
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Inspectah_Deck
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Videocardz has updated their Mantle list and it contains a lot of heavy hitters.
Really, really glad, that GTAV is among them (at least in their beta program).
That hopefully means, that this title will be pretty optimized for PC.
http://videocardz.com/51018/exclusive-upcoming-games-support-mantle
Really, really glad, that GTAV is among them (at least in their beta program).
That hopefully means, that this title will be pretty optimized for PC.
http://videocardz.com/51018/exclusive-upcoming-games-support-mantle
Turin Turambar
Member
The last third is pure speculation. From the news
Inspectah_Deck
Member
games that are not yet confirmed to support Mantle, however developers have signed for private AMD beta program
Thats at least a pretty good sign.
Turin Turambar
Member
It's a good sign yeah, but one thing is in the "gaming evolved program" and another very different is the developers doing a new renderer path for their game.
michaelius
Banned
More or less yes considering they added Plants versus Zombies
Inspectah_Deck
Member
Ok, it´s not really clear from the article, but i thought the private beta program refers to Mantle and not Gaming Evolved.
hooijdonk17
Member
Is there full Mantle support in the drivers yet? For GCN and up (7770+)? Any impressions using BF4 to show how much the framerate improves?
They always had it. Its just DICE [in their infinite wisdom] decided to focus BF4 Mantle support to 290 cards.
Yes, yes, and Yes. It improves a lot, especially for users with slower CPUs.
Nostremitus
Member
So... Mantle is ready for my R9 270 (overclocked to be a 270X) and Phenom II X6 1045T? BF4?
Nostremitus
Member
Sorry for the DP, but after a day I figure that's ok.
I ran Starswarm on my R9 270 (OC'd to 270X) and Phenom II X6 1045T 2.7GHz...
DX11
Mantle
It went from no way in hell to ok.
I ran Starswarm on my R9 270 (OC'd to 270X) and Phenom II X6 1045T 2.7GHz...
DX11
Mantle
It went from no way in hell to ok.
Nostremitus
Member
7950 has GCN cores, so yes it should. Download the free Starswarm benchmark from Steam and test it out. Post your results.
14.1 were the first with Mantle. I have 14.4. 14.6 are the current beta drivers. (unless a new one's out that i missed.)
Intel wants access to Mantle, but AMD said that they will very soon open the gates for public testing.
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Editorial/Intel-Shows-Interest-Mantle
This is a good move by Intel and their GPU driver team [all four of them
], not only because of their desktop CPUs, but also their laptops where Mantle can give significant performance boost.
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Editorial/Intel-Shows-Interest-Mantle
This is a good move by Intel and their GPU driver team [all four of them
], not only because of their desktop CPUs, but also their laptops where Mantle can give significant performance boost.Nostremitus
Member
Intel wants access to Mantle, but AMD said that they will very soon open the gates for public testing.
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Editorial/Intel-Shows-Interest-Mantle
This is a good move by Intel and their GPU driver team [all four of them
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RazorbackDB
Member
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Nice.
Netherscourge
Banned
Mantle really sticks it to Direct X.
It basically outs DirectDraw as a total freaking bottleneck.
Why would anyone go back to that after Mantle goes open?
It basically outs DirectDraw as a total freaking bottleneck.
Why would anyone go back to that after Mantle goes open?
Videocardz has updated their Mantle list and it contains a lot of heavy hitters.
Really, really glad, that GTAV is among them (at least in their beta program).
That hopefully means, that this title will be pretty optimized for PC.
http://videocardz.com/51018/exclusive-upcoming-games-support-mantle
Hey, I didn't know Elite: Dangerous supported Mantle. No wonder this game looks so good.
I don't see it in the option screen though. Does a game ususally tell if its playig in Mantle mode?
Nostremitus
Member
(Mantle support pending)
I see. Thanks for clarifying.
Speaking of which, how does one activate Mantle renderer? Is it an option that becomes available like DirectX/OpenGL selector? Does it automatically kick in the moment it detects you have a compatible AMD card and the latest drivers?
RazorbackDB
Member
you select between directx and mantle in options, atleast in BF Hardline it was that way.
OH I see.
I just tested the Star Swarm stress test app thing, and here are the results:
Code:
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Oxide Games
Star Swarm Stress Test - ©2013
*Output_14_07_16_2237.txt
Version 1.10
07/16/2014 22:37
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== Hardware Configuration =================================
GPU: AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series
CPU: AuthenticAMD
AMD FX(tm)-4350 Quad-Core Processor
Physical Cores: 2
Logical Cores: 4
Physical Memory: 8572346368
Allocatable Memory: 140737488224256
===========================================================
== Configuration ==========================================
API: Mantle
Scenario: ScenarioFollow.csv
User Input: Disabled
Resolution: 1920x1080
Fullscreen: True
GameCore Update: 16.6 ms
Bloom Quality: High
PointLight Quality: High
ToneCurve Quality: High
Glare Overdraw: 16
Shading Samples: 64
Shade Quality: Mid
Deferred Contexts (D3D11): Disabled
Small Batch Optimized (Mantle): Enabled
Temporal AA Duration: 16
Temporal AA Time Slice: 2
Detailed Frame Info: Off
===========================================================
== Results ================================================
Test Duration: 360 Seconds
Total Frames: 12538
Average FPS: 34.83
Average Unit Count: 4226
Maximum Unit Count: 5447
Average Batches/MS: 771.24
Maximum Batches/MS: 2647.36
Average Batch Count: 23407
Maximum Batch Count: 121911
===========================================================
Code:
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Oxide Games
Star Swarm Stress Test - ©2013
*Output_14_07_16_2247.txt
Version 1.10
07/16/2014 22:47
===========================================================
== Hardware Configuration =================================
GPU: AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series
CPU: AuthenticAMD
AMD FX(tm)-4350 Quad-Core Processor
Physical Cores: 2
Logical Cores: 4
Physical Memory: 8572346368
Allocatable Memory: 140737488224256
===========================================================
== Configuration ==========================================
API: DirectX
Scenario: ScenarioFollow.csv
User Input: Disabled
Resolution: 1920x1080
Fullscreen: True
GameCore Update: 16.6 ms
Bloom Quality: High
PointLight Quality: High
ToneCurve Quality: High
Glare Overdraw: 16
Shading Samples: 64
Shade Quality: Mid
Deferred Contexts (D3D11): Disabled
Small Batch Optimized (Mantle): Enabled
Temporal AA Duration: 16
Temporal AA Time Slice: 2
Detailed Frame Info: Off
===========================================================
== Results ================================================
Test Duration: 360 Seconds
Total Frames: 6544
Average FPS: 18.17
Average Unit Count: 4133
Maximum Unit Count: 5660
Average Batches/MS: 369.10
Maximum Batches/MS: 824.46
Average Batch Count: 22646
Maximum Batch Count: 98613
===========================================================RazorbackDB
Member
this is interesting
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc2Mzc
so we might just call OpenGL5 Mantle 2.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc2Mzc
so we might just call OpenGL5 Mantle 2.
I guess this will be of interest to many in this thread : Ryse Son of Rome will support Mantle on PC.
http://www.dsogaming.com/news/ryse-son-of-rome-will-support-amds-mantle-api/
I hope GTA 5 is next but I find this a bit hard to believe.
http://www.dsogaming.com/news/ryse-son-of-rome-will-support-amds-mantle-api/
I hope GTA 5 is next but I find this a bit hard to believe.
Mantle would be great for any open world game, which are all CPU heavy and much more populated with individual objects [more drawcalls with larger LOD distances]. I'm looking at your Ubisoft.
As for Ryse [very linear game with smaller levels], I expect similar gains as we saw in Thief. Modest, but noticeable, especially for configurations with older CPUs.
abracadaver
Member
there is no evidence of upcoming mantle support in the elite dangerous forums
wouldn't it be a lot easier to just update to DX12?
wouldn't it be a lot easier to just update to DX12?
Thief does not exactly fit into your description of a game benefiting from lower submission cost but it was surprisingly CPU heavy and showed good results with Mantle.
However, as Durante highlighted, AMD's DX11 drivers made the Mantle path less impressive than I thought it was.
Ryse most certainly has situations where lower overhead on draw commands will yield excellent results but they should be weighed against Nvidia and their superior DX11 performance.
Regardless, more support for Mantle can't be anything but good news in my book and this is coming from a (100% satisfied) Geforce owner.
Elite Dangerous uses its own engine, I dont think they ever announced Mantle support.
Star Citizen devs however have confirmed they will use Mantle.
DX12 won't be available to consumers until late 2015.
I expect pretty high gains on CPU from:
Tons of grass, tons of cloth and armor physics, 50-60 units on screen, face joint tech and geomcache tech. Grass simulation was very expensive on PC.
Levels arent that small, they are narrow, but quite long.
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They were also on DX 12 presentation, as was Crytek. I'm pretty sure that Crytek will adopt DX 12 as soon as it launch, why wouldnt they?
Adopting Mantel at this point is likely like preparation for DX12 and possibly OpenGL5 or whatever (Metal too). In the end the change in approach should apply similarly to all.They were also on DX 12 presentation, as was Crytek. I'm pretty sure that Crytek will adopt DX 12 as soon as it launch, why wouldnt they?
Richard Huddy claimed 1/3 of developpers having signed for Mantle beta program are using it as a "stepping stone" for DX12.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uoD8YKwtww&list=UUtKh7t3br1obEQL6EyiAq0w
Makes sense. Was there already any mention whether Microsoft got similar access to Mantle for DX12 like Khronos is getting for "OpenGL-Next"? Otherwise this would be kind of an odd statement coming from an AMD employee.
AMD shared what they learned in the process of developping Mantle with Microsoft. At least this is what they claimed in the podcast linked above.
Does that mean Microsoft know eveything on anything regarding Mantle ? Probably not, AMD is keeping a few cards close to their chest as they're entitled to.
Conceptually Mantle and D3D12 should be pretty close but the latter will have to be abstracted to a different degree because it's supposed to be compatible with a wide range of GPUs, this is why I'm expecting Mantle to be faster than D3D12. And let's not forget that Mantle will have been updated by the time Microsoft's new API is released.
This is a very fertile ground for innovation and performance. Microsoft won't be able to sit idle for years this time around.
The only missing piece of information regarding D3D12 is...What OSes are going to be supported ?
Who knows, in a way with Mantle, DX12 and OpenGL-Next we will be witnessing three separate tries at balancing abstraction and performance. Mantle is like the prototype that for a long time nobody dared to try to realize, it's not unthinkable that even being rather hardware specific it still erred toward abstraction in the wrong areas. Maybe we now will see more approaches not taken yet. So I agree, it's an exciting time compared to the relative stalemate before.
Credits to DerExperte, Mantle support has been added to Sniper Elite 3.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132593099&postcount=12284
http://www.rebellion.co.uk/blog/2014/10/2/mantle-comes-to-sniper-elite-3
Pretty good results, especially considering they have barely scratched the surface. I'd like to see how a 780ti runs the game on Nvidia drivers which are less brutal on the CPU.
This CPU bottleneck worries me a little as I'm not interested in AMD hardware.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132593099&postcount=12284
http://www.rebellion.co.uk/blog/2014/10/2/mantle-comes-to-sniper-elite-3
Pretty good results, especially considering they have barely scratched the surface. I'd like to see how a 780ti runs the game on Nvidia drivers which are less brutal on the CPU.
This CPU bottleneck worries me a little as I'm not interested in AMD hardware.
Objectively Bad Opinion
Member
Credits to DerExperte, Mantle support has been added to Sniper Elite 3.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132593099&postcount=12284
http://www.rebellion.co.uk/blog/2014/10/2/mantle-comes-to-sniper-elite-3
Pretty good results, especially considering they have barely scratched the surface. I'd like to see how a 780ti runs the game on Nvidia drivers which are less brutal on the CPU.
This CPU bottleneck worries me a little as I'm not interested in AMD hardware.
Some really nice gains there. A little disappointed that they mention async compute but don't end up using it, as that would have been a huge boost in performance like we saw in the console game The Tomorrow Children (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=128257532&postcount=57). Definitely something to look forward to as devs get more time to work with Mantle in their engines.
Even without it though, that's still that's quite the gain, and as a bonus Mantle gets better textures too? Baller.
Denton
Member
Just tested my first Mantle game on my good old 280X.
THIEF, tested the integrated benchmark. Average fps is higher by 24 on Mantle compared to DX11. minimum is higher by 10. This is at maximum graphical settings without SSAA, at 1080p. I like this, really wish Mantle was in every game, or that DX12 wasnt so far away.
THIEF, tested the integrated benchmark. Average fps is higher by 24 on Mantle compared to DX11. minimum is higher by 10. This is at maximum graphical settings without SSAA, at 1080p. I like this, really wish Mantle was in every game, or that DX12 wasnt so far away.
Eclectic Jabber Monkey
Member
Sounds like its dead, but if it helped poke Microsoft into getting DirectX 12 "closer to the metal" I guess it was worth it in the end. I wonder how much $ ATI sank into Mantle, its not like they are rolling in it.