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Analogue NT ($500 HDMI NES) is real, first gameplay video
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Beer Monkey
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PVMs are perfect as the primary display device for the tiny, tiny mancave.
Here it is in its full glory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5me9olJYGA0&feature=youtu.be
We also put up a very lengthy look back at the "Analogue NT Saga" that people might enjoy reading. This is basically the launch of yet another "Retro gaming blog" but I think we can put up some cool stuff when time permits.
https://retrogamingnr.wordpress.com/2015/07/06/17/
Gamersyde link
http://www.gamersyde.com/thqstream_analogue_nt_full_video_analysis_-DRz0o4M29gZquFqi_en.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5me9olJYGA0&feature=youtu.be
We also put up a very lengthy look back at the "Analogue NT Saga" that people might enjoy reading. This is basically the launch of yet another "Retro gaming blog" but I think we can put up some cool stuff when time permits.
https://retrogamingnr.wordpress.com/2015/07/06/17/
Gamersyde link
http://www.gamersyde.com/thqstream_analogue_nt_full_video_analysis_-DRz0o4M29gZquFqi_en.html
PumpkinSpice
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UncleSporky
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I guess it's a good thing it includes a customizable color palette.
There was no standard accepted NES palette with exact RGB values, every TV displayed the set of colors differently. Stuff like, sometimes the reds were more brown, sometimes some of the greens were more yellow. Many common palettes you find online will differ from each other slightly, and emulators still dispute it.
There was no standard accepted NES palette with exact RGB values, every TV displayed the set of colors differently. Stuff like, sometimes the reds were more brown, sometimes some of the greens were more yellow. Many common palettes you find online will differ from each other slightly, and emulators still dispute it.
Nice.
This is actually the first time I see a s-video/composite comparison. I never played on s-video way back when, I had no idea it was such a a huge upgrade in picture quality.
Interesting that the composite out of the Analogue NT looks cleaner than that of a stock NES. There is far less dot crawl.
Surprised that you didn't post any images of the over-brightness issues, I would want to see an off-screen comparison.
Nice video though.
sixteen-bit
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Yeah that is interesting. Is the same true for a vanilla NES with the viletim RGB installed? Not that it matters, lol.
Ask and you shall receive. I don't have much content recorded using SCART, though, but here's the Mario 3 title screen.
SCART (NES Palette)
SCART (RGB Palette) - Notice how it's SO blown out here that the bushes are missing color detail
Component (NES Palette)
If you mod your system the original composite outs no longer work so you need to wire up an alternative. I'd imagine it would look similar to the NT using Tim's board.
baphomet
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Yes, that's because Tim's board improves the composite video out as well.
Battlesmurf
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Analogue's stance: "there were a handful cables that went out with issues: it is not a system issue, but a cable issue. Anyone who is experience an issue with their SCART cable, please contact us directly for a replacement. In regards to cartridge damage: we have never experienced any issues / heard from customers with any issue"
So hopefully that cable issue is small and isolated. Picture quality looks nice. I'm curious to learn more about the fitment with the cart slot, though. If it shaved any of my carts I'd be a bit peeved.
So hopefully that cable issue is small and isolated. Picture quality looks nice. I'm curious to learn more about the fitment with the cart slot, though. If it shaved any of my carts I'd be a bit peeved.
LordOfChaos
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That is one pretty PCB.
Yikes, thats terrible! Are you getting the same results with the breakout BNC cables?
About the cartridge shaving, every NES/Famicom cartridge is bound to have slight variances in their size due to the plastics used and the nature of the manufacturing process in the 80's.
However, you'd think analogue would've accounted for this.
If it gives me any issues I'll just file down the aluminum so it has a rounded edge.
Easy fix.
baphomet
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Having to file down aluminium on your $500-600 piece of equipment isn't a fix.
Dreamwriter
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Has anyone actually seen it scratch cartridge plastic, or is that just something you were speculating about?
I'm skeptical about this.
There's nothing physically WRONG with the cable, rather, it's simply missing the necessary resistors.
It should also be noted that the BNC cables produce identical results to the RGB cable but it is not possible to include resistors in such a cable (it would have to be handled on the board itself).
If they are adding resistors to their SCART cables now then it really would solve the issue but, if not, I suspect it will continue to look incorrect. We'll see. They offered a new cable to us so we'll try it and see but I'm not expecting any differences. Would love to be proven wrong, though.
It happened to our system with several carts. Some were just basic scratches while one of them actually had a piece shaved off. Yet others came away unscathed. For the moment, I suggest being very cautious when inserting games.
Dem differences, love this comparison!!!
El Pescado
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I ordered my Analogue NT within the first few hours of it going up. Who are all these people that are getting them? Are actual consumers getting them or just blogs?
Did you order the HDMI upgrade?
It's suspected that there is some kind of delay with the HDMI orders.
I contacted them today to try and get an answer.
But to answer your question, it looks like regular consumers have been getting the non-HDMI ones.
El Pescado
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I did. Maybe I'll try contacting them myself. :/
Tim makes his Composite out from his rgb and his own encoder: it´s obvious when comparing the palettes. I think the board has a composite pass-through, though tbf I think I'll just take it from the original pin when I'll mod mine. I'm not sure I like tim´s composite better: it has less dot crawl but the overal screen is much blurrier. Maybe the artefacts are overemphasised with the xrgb too.
Regarding the palettes, this video shows that tim´s original palette is slightly wrong (he took it from an emulator I reckon), compared to the original composite. The component output however is almost spot on. The HD mod is better than the NESRGB for colour accuracy? It seems so.
Great video, and, redundant though it might be, it's amazing to see how much cleaner the composite is on the Analogue NT. A shame about potentially damaging carts. I'm sure they'll improve on that somehow in later batches, but it's a pretty big oversight nonetheless.
BTW, isn't it possible to add scanlines to this? Or is that just the HDMI out?
BTW, isn't it possible to add scanlines to this? Or is that just the HDMI out?
baphomet
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No, Tim's palette is absolutely the correct palette.
Yeah, it's a poor decision on their part.
A year ago, when it was first announced, the HDMI add-on was labeled as a $50 external option. Now it's an $80 internal option instead.
That's just with the HDMI out. We could have included scanlines in the video using the XRGB, of course, but I don't think scanlines work well in a video (due to variation in scaling between viewers) and aren't inherent to the analog output from the system.
What's odd about Analogue's video demonstration of the NT is that it seems to default to square pixels.
Then what accounts for the colour variations between original composite, NESRGB Scart, and NES HD Component? The green/teal carpet in TMNT in this clip made it obvious to me that something was fishy.
tomwhite2004
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Yep, good old CRT scanlines, just like I remember them.
Yessiree
Thats looks off, the scanlines alternate between a thin line and a thick line when they should be even, is that at 1080p?
Yeah, that's definitely not right. Uneven scanlines are just awful looking.
Yep, good old CRT scanlines, just like I remember them.
Yessiree
So, are these the scanlines the Analogue NT adds? Any way to tweak them?
They are only available using the HDMI output and it's unclear to what degree they are tweakable. I would hope that it's just a bad setting or capture as that's pretty awful.
The XRGB Mini FINALLY has the ability to do good scanlines in 1080p, though (only as of version 2.00).
Hope to get my hands on an HDMI unit at some point soon but we'll see.
Hmm, so someone on this forum...
http://www.retromods.net/viewtopic.php?t=437&p=5769
Seems to think the video was "paid off" by Analogue? It's both funny and sad to see such an accusation. Yeah, buddy, we were paid off after already dropping more than $2000 on RGB modded NES systems aside from the NT.
Yep, 80 extra bucks is pretty insane.
baphomet
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Yep, good old CRT scanlines, just like I remember them.
Yessiree
Was this screen capped from YouTube? If so that would explain the broken scanlines.
Yep, good old CRT scanlines, just like I remember them.
Yessiree
Lol. I feel the sarcasm pretty much dripping off the screen.