Super Stardust
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I like IGNNo one actually likes IGN right?
I like IGNNo one actually likes IGN right?
TITANFALL IS AN RENAISSANCE VIDEOGAME.
THE FIRST TIME I PLAYED TITANFALL I LOST CONTROL OF MY BOWELS.
No one actually likes IGN right?
The decimal arguing is silly, but Joe should have just owned up to using a quote from a preview while talking about reviews. He comes off as pretty dickish
The 8 and 9 have an important difference in connotation as a direct result of the (modern) review scale.
No one actually likes IGN right?
No one actually likes IGN right?
No one actually likes IGN right?
LBTRecords
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(Today, 09:33 PM)
Thanks for the great rebuttal there, dude.
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The decimal arguing is silly, but Joe should have just owned up to using a quote from a preview while talking about reviews. He comes off as pretty dickish
No one actually likes IGN right?
I have no problems with YouTubers. Yahtzee is a brilliant journalist, and I also enjoy the Jimquisition by Jim Sterling.
My problem is douchebags like Joe who act completely unprofessional and then start crying and shouting when they get called out on it. Either get your shit straight or be ready for people to call you a jackass, but I'm sure he's used to being called a jackass.
He voices opinions, commentates news, conducts interviews and reviews games for a large audience. He is fulfilling the role of a journalist whether he claims to be one or not.
I think you masterfully missed the point
People view them the same here because of how low the bar is for video game journalism. The fact that someone from IGN saw Joe's video and tried to hold him up to the same standard of professionalism as the work of him and the company he works for just shows that the line between video game journalist and Youtube entertainer is so razor thin that even the people who are supposed to be professionals don't see the difference.You say that word but you clearly don't know what that means. Howard Stern and Elvis Duran are journalists? No they are radio jocks. Are Oprah or Ellen journalists? No they are talk show hosts. Youtubers are their own breed of media personalities but they aren't journalists.
No one actually likes IGN right?
:lol :lol :lol
Joe is a grown man with the mentality of a child. It has nothing to do with journalists vs. youtubers and everything to do with Joe being an embarrassment.
No one actually likes IGN right?
No one actually likes IGN right?
No one actually likes IGN right?
No one actually likes IGN right?
The normal mission is under 2 hours, The average main story playthrough is 1h41 minute. And if you rush it, it's about an hour yes.
The main mission was speedrunned in 5 minute and 41 sec.If you do all the side missions its 5 hours.
People complain about the lenght. Joe gave a really fair review of the game saying that the game is awesome, but the lenght do not justify the price.
Hell, I waited a sale for Gone Home because 3 hours of "normal" play time for 20$ is way too high for a game like that. Gone home can also be speed runned in under 30 sec. That's why people complain.
That's not even close to fair. Most reviewers/journalist/youtubers are completely unprofessional and some have spats so much worse than this and still get a free pass.
Lets use the earlier Yahtzee as an example. His video review of MH tri is completely misrepresenting the game and filled with hyperbole (to be fair most of the video reviews are just hyperbole) Through his video it's completely obvious he didn't get past the tutorial. People called him out on it and he went back to it with painfully obvious reluctance. In his written review there are things ranging from outright false hoods like a ten hour tutorial to blaming the game for his own incompetence. Now most of this is fine actually beyond the outright lies as I have heard similar stories of giving up and blaming the game elsewhere but when called out on this again for both those things he thought it would be a good idea to pull the "I have a life and job" card. Forgetting for a sec that that's an excuse a petulant 16 year old would use because he is out of talking points and clearly assumes the critics are lacking those things... It literally IS his job to get things right and review games
He is essentially insulting his viewer base there which is something not even Joe has done. He clearly got so much about the game wrong but just didn't care.
:lol :lol :lol
Joe is a grown man with the mentality of a child. It has nothing to do with journalists vs. youtubers and everything to do with Joe being an embarrassment.
The fact that other reviewers are what you call unprofessional is irrelevant to the fact that Angry Joe is indeed a child both in his style and the way he reacted in this twitter spat. Finger pointing is not the correct response.
And you're right about Yahtzee, it's funny seeing Yahtzee completely shit on Demon's Souls.. then later embracing Dark Souls for the very same reason he blasted Demon's Souls. He reluctantly gave Dark Souls another chance then admitted it was a good game. Makes you wonder what other games he pre-maturely shit on in previous reviews. Guys like Yahtzee are cancerous to the game industry, spreading misinformation and giving dishonest reviews under the guise of entertainment.
Angry Joe is nowhere near as bad as Yahtzee but it's awful seeing members here post defending him with the logic of "Angry Joe rules, his videos are entertaining!" as if that's relevent
It's interesting how much hate you have for Angry Joe. If you want I can show you how every single human being on Earth isn't perfectly accurate. Also, when you play the accusation game, then provide concrete evidence, such as the time on the video that you saw him say that. Since you heard him say it then you should know when he said it, it would save me some time. Thanks.
You...I've read all your comments about Joe. Do you have a chip on your shoulders? Did Joe kill your dog or something?
over one minor mistake and they are creating a second mistake out of thin air. That Dan decided to attack a youtuber without talking things over like adults.
His videos at least give a good idea of what to expect from games and whether they're worth buying.
I wonder if you have watched any of his reviews?
This is why "why is this thread still going" type posts should be bannable. Not just a page ago you were attempting to stunt the conversation and now you're adding to it.Greg Miller and Daemon Hatfield, on video. Infectious energy. If I'm going to IGN, I'll only type ign.com/videos
No. You can't be critical now without there being some hidden agenda? Get real.
That's true, Dan should have handled it more maturely. Angry Joe should still have been called out publicly, but not in the way Dan handled it. My point is this isn't an isolated incident, Angry Joe always plays loose with facts and it's forgiven because he's not a mega corporation (even though he's actually owned by a mega corp)
This is true maybe half the time, though people here bash IGN for having a similar ratio
Plenty
No. You can't be critical now without there being some hidden agenda? Get real.
That's true, Dan should have handled it more maturely. Angry Joe should still have been called out publicly, but not in the way Dan handled it. My point is this isn't an isolated incident, Angry Joe always plays loose with facts and it's forgiven because he's not a mega corporation (even though he's actually owned by a mega corp)
This is true maybe half the time, though people here bash IGN for having a similar ratio
Plenty
Sorry, but the way you word yourself and the way you exaggerate a one sided view, it's hard to think you don't have a grudge against the guy, for whatever reason.
I apologize if that is not the case.
I disagree that Joe should be held the same as IGN.
That's good to know.
Which reviewers at IGN are you grouping into that? Joe is one guy. IGN is more than one individual.
I don't like IGN's site, but I wouldn't go so far as to say I don't like IGN's reviewers. I'd say "I don't like Greg's Infamous review". (just using Greg as an example)
I don't know this Dan guy. That's why I'm focusing on Joe. Every time I'm exposed to him I'm reminded of all the cringeworthy aspects of "gaming culture" that he stands for. Whiny, entitled and immature.
I don't believe in double standards.
You asked.
No one likes ign the same way nobody likes angry Joe. That is to say they both have supporters and detractors. If nobody likes ign it wouldn't exist.No one actually likes IGN right?
I think what Dan is trying to say is that he partly changed his opinion since the preview. Why quote the outdated preview when the more refined review is right there? Also, first showing the quote and then the review score does kind of heavily imply that they're from the same thing.He didn't even make any explicit claim that he was quoting from a review. He was simply saying that he's surprised that the game is so well received in major media outlets and he raised the "Believe the hype" quote as an example of this reception. I don't see anything objectively wrong here - his point would not have changed regardless of what the article was titled. It could be a preview, review, "Musings Of A Reviewer", "Thoughts Of The Day", etc. It doesn't matter.
If Joe really did claim that he was quoting from a review, then he would obviously be in the wrong. But he didn't.
No one actually likes IGN right?
And you're right about Yahtzee, it's funny seeing Yahtzee completely shit on Demon's Souls.. then later embracing Dark Souls for the very same reason he blasted Demon's Souls. He reluctantly gave Dark Souls another chance then admitted it was a good game. Makes you wonder what other games he pre-maturely shit on in previous reviews. Guys like Yahtzee are cancerous to the game industry, spreading misinformation and giving dishonest reviews under the guise of entertainment.
Angry Joe is nowhere near as bad as Yahtzee but it's awful seeing members here post defending him with the logic of "Angry Joe rules, his videos are entertaining!" as if that's relevent
Why are you attempting to stunt a discussion?34 pages over a twitter slap fight.
Bravo gaf, bravo.
I haven't really kept up should I be twitter outraged in some hashtag or liking some facebook post?
Why are you attempting to stunt a discussion?
Thank you.
The angry/annoyed/miffed/upset/moderatelydisconcerted gamer type is deeply problematic. It was funny when AVGN did it, because they were old, obscure, and almost always bad games, as best I remember things. If someone's hunting down Bad Rats to rage at it, cool, I'ma have a good time.
What we have here are a lot of people just going "hey, that's popular, I should lambaste it."
Oh, can't have people universally praising Skyrim, a game most people put hundreds of hours into it (because they enjoy it!), gotta bash it for being "dumbed-down," even though it's actually just making things more sim, less-abstract, and better criticisms could be found elsewhere.
What's this? People think a MP-only shooter is really good? HOW DARE THEY. Everyone's in on a conspiracy! There's no way Titanfall could actually be everything it was promised!
Blah blah blah. All we're getting are shallow, rarely funny videos.
To be angry, you have to find fault. So you either limit yourself to stuff that's faulty, or--like most people do--you find faults where there are none, under the guise of protecting the 'consumer,' who isn't generally your audience for the videos.
I actually go to IGN for all my gaming "news" though I never look at gaming reviews. I did not know IGN held a bad taste in most gaffers' mouths. Are there any other site you all recommend? I enjoy being able to see gaming news and TV and movies all in one location.
I actually go to IGN for all my gaming "news" though I never look at gaming reviews. I did not know IGN held a bad taste in most gaffers' mouths. Are there any other site you all recommend? I enjoy being able to see gaming news and TV and movies all in one location.
Are you actually watching Angry Joe's videos? He is nowhere close to AVGN. And that's a positive thing. He is rarely angry, and it's usually only because he's playing a shitty game. He gives detailed information about games that most "reviewers" don't bother with.
And he actually knows how to play them. And this is the main point. Joe is an Xbox and PC player, and PC games have higher skill levels. Some random game juicebox is gonna talk at most about the story and how pretty it looks, or maybe that there was something hard to do, but they won't break it down like this:
http://a.pomf.se/zvbdsy.webm
Can you show me a single other reviewer who asks for MGR to be harder? Some couldn't even handle the parry.
Joe is a corny dude, but he's honest about who is. That's why people like him, especially when the other side is manufactured posers trying to out scoop each other by selling us reheated franchises so they can say they're friends with developers.
Just follow Wario64 on twitter.
We're not even on the same page, I'm not talking about the primary mission. My point of contention was that that he claimed all the side op missions could be cumulatively finished in an hour. Total nonsense, he plays loose with the facts so I'm not surprised he misrepresented IGN in his Titanfall review.
And don't get it twisted, most people are not going to speed run through games, speed runs are not the way games are typically played.. and factoring in speed run times into what you consider the average length of a game is a precedent you shouldn't be setting.
The fact that other reviewers are what you call unprofessional is irrelevant to the fact that Angry Joe is indeed a child both in his style and the way he reacted in this twitter spat. Finger pointing is not the correct response.
And you're right about Yahtzee, it's funny seeing Yahtzee completely shit on Demon's Souls.. then later embracing Dark Souls for the very same reason he blasted Demon's Souls. He reluctantly gave Dark Souls another chance then admitted it was a good game. Makes you wonder what other games he pre-maturely shit on in previous reviews. Guys like Yahtzee are cancerous to the game industry, spreading misinformation and giving dishonest reviews under the guise of entertainment.
Angry Joe is nowhere near as bad as Yahtzee but it's awful seeing members here post defending him with the logic of "Angry Joe rules, his videos are entertaining!" as if that's relevent
He didn't even make any explicit claim that he was quoting from a review. He was simply saying that he's surprised that the game is so well received in major media outlets and he raised the "Believe the hype" quote as an example of this reception. I don't see anything objectively wrong here - his point would not have changed regardless of what the article was titled. It could be a preview, review, "Musings Of A Reviewer", "Thoughts Of The Day", etc. It doesn't matter.
If Joe really did claim that he was quoting from a review, then he would obviously be in the wrong. But he didn't.
This is why "why is this thread still going" type posts should be bannable. Not just a page ago you were attempting to stunt the conversation and now you're adding to it.
Weird.
And you're right about Yahtzee, it's funny seeing Yahtzee completely shit on Demon's Souls.. then later embracing Dark Souls for the very same reason he blasted Demon's Souls. He reluctantly gave Dark Souls another chance then admitted it was a good game. Makes you wonder what other games he pre-maturely shit on in previous reviews. Guys like Yahtzee are cancerous to the game industry, spreading misinformation and giving dishonest reviews under the guise of entertainment.
Angry Joe is nowhere near as bad as Yahtzee but it's awful seeing members here post defending him with the logic of "Angry Joe rules, his videos are entertaining!" as if that's relevent