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[Roto13]

Words can't express how much I want her to prove all her critics wrong. Nobody deserves the shitstorm she went through.

Knock 'em dead, Anita.

I would love for her to provide thoughtful, sensible commentary on how women are portrayed in video games, but I don't think she's capable of it, based on her other YouTube videos.

This is a topic that deserves to be taken seriously, and her initial idea is a good one. For someone else.

 

[Delusibeta]

No, most people made the donation to make a point. Even if she sucks at the video a significant majority won't do anything of the sort.

It'll make some people laugh tho.

Nah, I think there will be a large number of people who bought into this because they want to see good videos on the subject, and frankly I expect TvWiG to be terrible, bad enough to get aforementioned group of people demanding refunds. Let's be honest here: the concept seems half baked, studying any media in terms of "tropes" is an idea that frankly deserves mockery and Anita Sarkeesian's track record is frankly poor. I'd far rather see Extra Credits' take on the subject.

 

[BosSin]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I'll watch one episode... If it just turns out to be picking out minor details in a game and projecting them in a massive light to serve her own opinion. I will go no further.

I feel that there are much bigger problems with video games. Such as using the same old tired story of the hero American vanquishing his foes. In the process killing dozens of Muslims, Russians, Germans or Zombies.

 

[Platy]

So does she ever give examples of good female characterization?

She will post good examples of each troope in each video and the last video will be ALL about good examples

 

[Samurai-Don]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbihPTgAql4

Wow not only did she not do her research but also manage to insult every male gamer who actually likes the game.


Yeah I don't think that she is the right person to talk about women in video game or in media at all.

 

[Platy]

I would love for her to provide thoughtful, sensible commentary on how women are portrayed in video games, but I don't think she's capable of it, based on her other YouTube videos.

This is a topic that deserves to be taken seriously, and her initial idea is a good one. For someone else.

Her other youtube videos were not made with DAT BUDGET

 

[rvy]

Wow not only did she not do her research but also manage to insult every male gamer who actually likes the game.


Yeah I don't think that she is the right person to talk about women in video game or in media at all.

That French lady is right. But posting that French lady will get me banned for the 5th or 6th time.

God bless you, French Lady.

 

[Delusibeta]

She will post good examples of each troope in each video and the last video will be ALL about good examples

£5 Steam game of your choice says she won't.

 

[Strife91]

She will post good examples of each troope in each video and the last video will be ALL about good examples

So shes been doing these videos for what? Two years? And she haven't even done that yet. Jesus Christ...

 

[Nert]

According to her twitter she isn't enjoying video games at all.

you know, all the most popular blockbusters from the last decade

that she bought with the donations

because she never played them before

Knowing how these threads go, I should have provided something to back up my claim. My mistake. From an interview that she had with Gamespot a while back:

I included those sequences from Mirror's Edge and Portal for a few reasons. On one level they are there because I love those games. On another level, both characters are women of color, and both serve as the protagonists of their own games without being overly sexualized or objectified, which may be partially due to the first-person perspective, but still it's something to celebrate. It's also worth noting that in addition to the female protagonists, both games worked to creatively expand the first-person/shooter genre--a genre overflowing with lackluster clones. Both employed interesting underdog plots, innovative gameplay mechanics, and emphasized less violent creative problem solving instead of brute force.

This quote is also relevant for the people who think that she's saying you should feel guilty for playing video games:

It's also really important to me that my viewers understand that engaging with media is not always an all-or-nothing situation. We can play and enjoy many games while simultaneously being critical of some of their harmful aspects. We can recognize and point out the more problematic representations without necessarily throwing the whole game out, though god knows there have been a handful of occasions when I've been tempted to use a particularly sexist game as a mini Frisbee out my window.

 

[Avallon]

So shes been doing these videos for what? Two years? And she haven't even done that yet. Jesus Christ...

As far as I know, not-a-one.

 

[Margalis]

Her other youtube videos were not made with DAT BUDGET

How much budget do you need to play a game and think about it?

Again, I just don't understand what I am supposed to take away from these videos.

 

[Nert]

I feel that there are much bigger problems with video games. Such as using the same old tired story of the hero American vanquishing his foes. In the process killing dozens of Muslims, Russians, Germans or Zombies.

Luckily, this isn't an either-or proposition. You don't have to choose just one problem to address if several things are important to you. Somebody being more passionate about a particular issue also doesn't invalidate other issues. Writing and characterization in video games can be less shitty across the board if enough people cared!

How much budget do you need to play a game and think about it?

She set her original Kickstarter goal at $6000 (obviously, people decided to pledge more than that). If you still think that she asked for too much, that's your opinion and that's fine, but this process entails a lot more than "playing a game and thinking about it."

 

[QaaQer]

How much budget do you need to play a game and think about it?

?

 

[jooey]

I wish he got more exposure. He's excellent, without a kickstarter...

oh whoops here I was typing in 5electivejournalism

 

[Funchameleon]

ctrl+f "white knight"

Jesus Christ, GAF.

 

[Jawmuncher]

People seriously kick started this?

 

[cj_iwakura]

How much budget do you need to play a game and think about it?

How much budget do you need to produce a filmed report? I have no idea what she's doing with that excess money, but that doesn't mean the base effort will come cheap.

 

[Platy]

£5 Steam game of your choice says she won't.

Thanks ! =D

Any game I don't game I don't have it is good ...
http://steamcommunity.com/id/platynews/games

McPixel, Hero Academy and others all are all £3 ... so if you want to save money ...

=P
Don't worry about it

 

[sleepykyo]

As far as I know, not-a-one.

To be fair, unless it is an ironic thing, she has 5 shows on the left side of her twitter. I recognize Buffy, Veronica Mars and Voyager. Not sure about the last 2.

 

[-PXG-]

The trolling and white knighting will be glorious.

ctrl+f "white knight"

Jesus Christ, GAF.

I got you covered

 

[toastyToast]

Even the Mechnomancer can't catch a break

She's basically a meme-dispenser

edit: might be someone else actually

 

[Avallon]

Thanks ! =D

Any game I don't game I don't have it is good ...
http://steamcommunity.com/id/platynews/games

McPixel, Hero Academy and others all are all £3 ... so if you want to save money ...

=P
Don't worry about it

Any game I don't game I don't have it is good ... what???

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

I didn't know there was one.

No wonder, she deleted it after it was found all the mistakes....

 

[Funchameleon]

You didn't see her Bayonetta video, huh?

She has great points in the Bayonetta video. I think it deserves a little more exploration but I would be a little dismissive too if I was made aware of that sub-way ad campaign before making the video. Bayonetta walks this line between being an empowered female Dante and the disproportioned realization of a creepy man's sexual fantasy.

 

[Platy]

Any game I don't game I don't have it is good ... what???

By the 100th time ... this don't mean the games are bad.

The problem is the AMOUNT of games witht he trope, not the trope itself


And is that whiteboard X12

 

[faceless007]

ctrl+f "white knight"

Jesus Christ, GAF.

Yeah, I'm impressed more haven't tried that idiotic retort too.

 

[Delusibeta]

Thanks ! =D

Any game I don't game I don't have it is good ...
http://steamcommunity.com/id/platynews/games

McPixel, Hero Academy and others all are all £3 ... so if you want to save money ...

=P
Don't worry about it

The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. And I'm fairly sure that's "problematic", not "positive".

Right, time to formalise the bet: I bet one Steam game to the value of £5 sterling that there will be at least one episode of TvWiG which does not have any positive examples. Deal?

 

[faceless007]

Any game I don't game I don't have it is good ... what???

I think he's referring to Delusibeta's 5-pound bet, saying any game he doesn't already have is fine, since he provided evidence she plans to post good examples as well.

Edit: that

 

[Roto13]

Her other youtube videos were not made with DAT BUDGET

Budget doesn't make someone smarter or less of a martyr.

 

[Mileena]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbihPTgAql4

Well that was a waste of time.

 

[Platy]

The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. And I'm fairly sure that's "problematic", not "positive".

Right, time to formalise the bet: I bet one Steam game to the value of £5 sterling that there will be at least one episode of TvWiG which does not have any positive examples. Deal?

Deal

That is one bet that will take a GOOD while to end .... please remind me when you see a video that you don't think it shows a good example

Budget doesn't make someone smarter or less of a martyr.

She had to work while doing those videos ... she have all time in the world to research now

 

[kittens]

Sweet.

 

[sleepykyo]

Deal

That is one bet that will take a GOOD while to end .... please remind me when you see a video that you don't think it shows a good example



She had to work while doing those videos ... she have all time in the world to research now

Isn't she doing the guest speaker circuit right now?

 

[Delusibeta]

Deal

That is one bet that will take a GOOD while to end .... please remind me when you see a video that you don't think it shows a good example

The contract is sealed.

 

[Vamphuntr]

How about she talks about RE2 too if she wants to talk about escort missions. In RE2 Claire takes good care of Sherry and it is an escort mission where a female character is doing the escorting and she's actually strong and resourceful.

I fear she will take a stab at RE4 for the wrong reason and blame the whole series as a whole when you have a series with strong women (Jill, Ada, Rebecca, Claire, Sheva, Sherry).

 

[computers putin']

The videos are probably going to be underwhelming, but the shitstorm that accompanies it will be magnificent, can't wait for the fuckery.

 

[Strife91]

Great lesson. Know we know that the next time a woman in a game is in distress we shouldn't save her. Because that would be sexist.

 

[GrizzNKev]

Deal

That is one bet that will take a GOOD while to end .... please remind me when you see a video that you don't think it shows a good example



She had to work while doing those videos ... she have all time in the world to research now

Clearly.

That's about how long it takes to catch up on an entire generation of gaming.

 

[SolidSnakex]

The videos are probably going to be underwhelming, but the shitstorm that accompanies it will be magnificent, can't wait for the fuckery.

Well, even if they're underwhelming i'm looking forward to hearing her explain how ICO is one of the most sexist games that she's ever played.

 

[Coffee Dog]

She had to work while doing those videos ... she have all time in the world to research now

That entirely wasn't their point though. The problem is with how she constructs her arguments.

No amount of money is going to help you construct a better argument.

 

[lockebelmont]

So, girl that does no work on her own, asks pubic, mostly males (thus making her portray the damsel in distress) for money for her to bring to light the issues of the same things she's fighting against.

Let's see how this works out.

 

[OrlanisWorks]

Bayonetta walks this line between being an empowered female Dante and the disproportioned realization of a creepy man's sexual fantasy.

That's a pretty damn good description, imo.

 

[toastyToast]

Well, even if they're underwhelming i'm looking forward to hearing her explain how ICO is one of the most sexist games that she's ever played.

As Project Pat once said, "Don't her, she don't wanna be saved"

 

[Lambtron]

Right, time to formalise the bet: I bet one Steam game to the value of £5 sterling that there will be at least one episode of TvWiG which does not have any positive examples. Deal?

Well, given there are a hell of a lot more negative tropes about women in games than positive tropes about women in games, why should she mention something positive in every episode?

The refrain of "oh this is an important topic, but she's not up to the task" is extremely shitty. No one else is doing it. Many of the people who are against this project IMMEDIATELY started threatening her with violence or trying to rip her character. They didn't give her a chance to do it. They're all just waiting for her to fail. It's pretty gross.

If you think the videos will be bad, I assume you didn't contribute. But how about you let her put something out, and then we have an intelligent discussion about it?

So, girl that does no work on her own, asks pubic, mostly males (thus making her portray the damsel in distress) for money for her to bring to light the issues of the same things she's fighting against.

That's a pretty fine straw man you have there. This is not, at all, how this happened. The Kickstarter was initially sent through the feminist blogosphere. Eventually someone found it and had their poor little man feelings hurt, and she was almost immediately villified at that point. Most of the donations came in as support well after it had reached its funding goals because she was being treated like shit.

 

[kaioshade]

Well, given there are a hell of a lot more negative tropes about women in games than positive tropes about women in games, why should she mention something positive in every episode?

The refrain of "oh this is an important topic, but she's not up to the task" is extremely shitty. No one else is doing it. Many of the people who are against this project IMMEDIATELY started threatening her with violence or trying to rip her character. They didn't give her a chance to do it. They're all just waiting for her to fail. It's pretty gross.

If you think the videos will be bad, I assume you didn't contribute. But how about you let her put something out, and then we have an intelligent discussion about it?

No one else can do it.

They didnt get 150k

 

[Balphon]

You're right, she should've spent that money on some 60" touch screens to outline her videos. Whiteboards clearly demonstrate corruption and incompetence.

 

[Coffee Dog]

Well, given there are a hell of a lot more negative tropes about women in games than positive tropes about women in games, why should she mention something positive in every episode?

The refrain of "oh this is an important topic, but she's not up to the task" is extremely shitty. No one else is doing it. Many of the people who are against this project IMMEDIATELY started threatening her with violence or trying to rip her character. They didn't give her a chance to do it. They're all just waiting for her to fail. It's pretty gross.

If you think the videos will be bad, I assume you didn't contribute. But how about you let her put something out, and then we have an intelligent discussion about it?

Bullshit. Every other feminism activist is doing it, they just aren't limiting their scope to video games because these tropes are not exclusive to them.

Edit: And to expound on one thing, I wish the money had gone to any of them. They would probably have criticism beyond simply pointing out tropes.

 

[iammeiam]

No one else can do it.

They didnt get 150k

But according to many of the morally outraged posts about the sheer ridiculousness of the 150K number, somebody should easily be able to do a better job for free! They're just YouTube videos, they shouldn't cost much to make! Ever asking for money in the first place was her first mistake!

Seriously would be interested to see somebody actually step up and do it better, for free, since apparently that should be easy.

 

[cj_iwakura]

The biggest irony is that the people who made a big fuss over it were pretty much the reason she made so much money.