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Prob get a bunch of cool web series this time around
do writers make money on steamed shows?
Is it bad that I'm scared we will get another year of half finished tv shows? The last one killed Heroes and a few other shows badly. They should be compensated and I hope the big bosses give in to their reasonable demands.
Yeah curious how royalty structure is figured (if at all) for streaming content. If it applies I bet those working on Netflix and Amazon originals make bank since those licenses don't expire. Well, the successful shows anyhow.
Are writers being paid less because Hollywood isn't making as much as it used to? Or are studios still raking in money, underpaying writers, and pocketing the difference?
While the average income of the guild members has gone done, I can't imagine that this is because of an actual decrease in the rate they receive. Others have mentioned that many shows have gone to shorter 10-12 episode seasons. Are the writers being paid less for their work than they were before, or are they simply doing less work (i.e., writing fewer scripts) than they were?From the article:
So, the latter.
You're talking to someone who has been working in post-production sound, we don't get residuals or any of that other stuff writers get. Last time around the strike hurt a lot of people in the industry like myself that aren't writers, as well as younger writers whose careers were in the budding period. They got their new agreement, and I'm not too enthused to see the industry get upended again because of them.
Sound budgets have gone way the fuck down since the last writer's strike, and the desperation that said strike inflicted upon us was used as leverage for the producers to pay us less.
That's kind of just how it works. Supply and demand, the more skills you have in Hollywood the more valuable you are, unless you're famous. Writers are more difficult to replace than post production people. A strike is justified.
While the average income of the guild members has gone done, I can't imagine that this is because of an actual decrease in the rate they receive. Others have mentioned that many shows have gone to shorter 10-12 episode seasons. Are the writers being paid less for their work than they were before, or are they simply doing less work (i.e., writing fewer scripts) than they were?
Does anyone have a link to some strike-era Conan stuff? sounds really interesting.
You're talking to someone who has been working in post-production sound, we don't get residuals or any of that other stuff writers get. Last time around the strike hurt a lot of people in the industry like myself that aren't writers, as well as younger writers whose careers were in the budding period. They got their new agreement, and I'm not too enthused to see the industry get upended again because of them.
Sound budgets have gone way the fuck down since the last writer's strike, and the desperation that said strike inflicted upon us was used as leverage for the producers to pay us less.
Out of curiosity, what were you doing when the last strike hit?I'm in vfx. It's not their fault they are getting fucked. They've got actual power and organization. I admire that. It's definitely going to suck if it goes long. But someone will always need sound and vfx in the downtime. It's the price paid for being part of "Hollywood." Lol. If I had a time machine...
We should be blaming our representation for lower wages. Not writers. Imo.
I thought that tv shows usually treated writers/showrunners pretty well.
I always assumed film was the worst as that's where most scripts/screenplays usually get butchered.
Damn it. I just want to write for tv. (My dream would be to get a job on a show like Supernatural, but I doubt I'd finish my degree in time anyhow)
I thought that tv shows usually treated writers/showrunners pretty well.
I always assumed film was the worst as that's where most scripts/screenplays usually get butchered.
I had a professor who was a TV writer and she told us it was ridiculous how well it paid. She really made it sound like a fantastic job.
You're talking to someone who has been working in post-production sound, we don't get residuals or any of that other stuff writers get. Last time around the strike hurt a lot of people in the industry like myself that aren't writers, as well as younger writers whose careers were in the budding period. They got their new agreement, and I'm not too enthused to see the industry get upended again because of them.
Sound budgets have gone way the fuck down since the last writer's strike, and the desperation that said strike inflicted upon us was used as leverage for the producers to pay us less.
This thread is fascinating. What else did the last strike ruin?
Last writers strike also gave us Jesse Pinkman in Breaking Bad. They were going to kill him off but somehow the writer's strike prevented that from happening.
It sucks work wise and will definitely have an effect on my own career, but I respect the decision of the writers and understand where they're coming from. I hope everything can be resolved without the need of a strike happening.
That's not original, Xena did that when Lucy Lawless broke her hip or something. They had an episode where Xena and her enemy Callisto switched bodies, they changed the ending so that they didn't switch back and had Hudson Leick play Xena for the next episode to give Lucy Lawless time off.Just have a body swap episode for every show during the strike, and have it be an arc where they don't swap back
There, an original idea for free Hollywood
I think just like anything else in this industry, you just need to put in the work, be highly motivated, have some luck and don't ever give up. It's highly competitive with many, many others wanting exactly what you want. So what makes you better than those others? That's what you need to show and prove. Set yourself apart from everyone else.
First of all, your degree has basically nothing to do with you breaking into any screenwriting. You could be screenwriting and honing your craft right now. Then start submitting for the various things there are, see: Screenwriting OT.
Second, Supernatural will never die. It survived the last Writer's Strike, and it'll survive this one, and the next one, and the one after that.
In the nineties it was a TV writing boom. Big, big money. Pick a legendary sitcom, it probably paid very well.
And film, yeah your script gets butchered but you still get paid. Creative control for writers is in TV.
That's not original, Xena did that when Lucy Lawless broke her hip or something. They had an episode where Xena and her enemy Callisto switched bodies, they changed the ending so that they didn't switch back and had Hudson Leick play Xena for the next episode to give Lucy Lawless time off.
do writers make money on steamed shows?
I hope it gets resolved quickly or that at least ABC and the CW give in quickly to the writers so I don't miss my shows.
Hell, it might be a good thing!Well at least we know what we can expect of a Writer Strike Arrow...
Supergirl on the other handcan't be worse... can it?
Oh fuck the fuck off. The last writer's strike ruined my career trajectory in the picture editing side of things and I spent years to get into the sound side of post-production, and am finally hitting something of a stride after a few major setbacks. If writers strike again, fuck them.
Out of curiosity, what were you doing when the last strike hit?
I'm actually studying (at 34 mind, so it's unlikely I'll find work, but wtf right?) to be a screenwriter. So I'm very interested in this.
They should have killed him off. He didn't evolve at all as a character after the third season.
A famous gaffer became a successful screenwriter well into his thirties in his second career.
And that's all well and good. It sucks how the writer's strike would affect you. But putting the blame on the writers like they're self-entitled assholes for not wanting to get fucked over at every single turn isn't the answer.
Yes, but if I remember it's far, far less generous than physical sales. I would compare it from CDs to streaming music. Lots more people listening to that music, not as much money coming back per unit. And the same old problems with company accountability on projections and tracking. I knew someone who was working for a company who didn't (or forgot) to account for tens of thousands of sales of a movie that was only revealed after nearly years (and it was from an unrelated lawsuit), it can be hard to keep the companies honest, they aren't obligated to give you sales data on demand.
The last strike gave birth to reality tv.
The last strike gave birth to reality tv.
That's not true at all. The big name reality shows all started far before the strike.
Really? I seem recall reality TV being a thing way before then. Am I misremembering?
The story goes that Aaron Paul's character on Breaking Bad was destined to meet a grisly end in the ninth episode of the first season. But the 2007 WGA strike got in the wayMan last strike ruined a lot of our shows and films for a good while. Granted it also opened up opportunities for new talent to enter the industry.
Its a real lose-win-lose situation.
Are writers being paid less because Hollywood isn't making as much as it used to? Or are studios still raking in money, underpaying writers, and pocketing the difference?
Could you give an example?Well guys if you got shows you currently like hang on to your butts.
Last one ruined hundreds of shows and the effects lasted years.
Could you give an example?
Yup. Again, in the OP.
HeroesCould you give an example?
Looking forward to the shitty James Bond reboot.