SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
I want to know how you got here. I would not describe this show as a noir at all.It's definitely noir, intentional or not.
I want to know how you got here. I would not describe this show as a noir at all.It's definitely noir, intentional or not.
I want to know how you got here. I would not describe this show as a noir at all.
Well, there's an investigation into a dead girl.
And...other stuff.
Yeah, that really doesn't make something a noir lol.Well, there's an investigation into a dead girl.
And...other stuff.
Holy shit the main actor is amazing, so credible and emotional, dude can act, the series is depressing though for its own good... Really love the show overall.
Holy shit the main actor is amazing, so credible and emotional, dude can act, the series is depressing though for its own good... Really love the show overall.
Thought this was some average shitty teen angst drama when it first came on Netflix but my sister-in-law insisted that we watch this.
Just done with episode 6 and although it's slowed down a little I'm gripped.
Something especially positive is seeing the amount inter-race coupling going on. I don't recall seeing that very often in US shows, compared to UK TV anyway.
I think so. Every thing I had seen about it treated the season as the complete package, though Netflix has been gathering writers to see about a new season. Doesn't really sit well with me either--this is pretty definitive.This show is based on a book right? Did the first season cover the entire book? If so, I won't be so excited to watch season 2 because it'll feel like a shitty cash-in
So, finished last night. Very powerful stuff, and unless I'm reading into something that isn't thereI guess everyone in those photos is going to die, which means that every person in the tapes (sans the counselor), is going to end up dead?
So, finished last night. Very powerful stuff, and unless I'm reading into something that isn't thereI guess everyone in those photos is going to die, which means that every person in the tapes (sans the counselor), is going to end up dead?
This show is based on a book right? Did the first season cover the entire book? If so, I won't be so excited to watch season 2 because it'll feel like a shitty cash-in
This show intrigues me. I haven't watched it yet but it was brought up in a group I'm in in college. The topic we were discussing was repetitive self mutilation in teens and how the media has a big impact in behaviors pertaining to suicidal ideation, actually committing suicide, and other self injurious behaviors in adolescents. Even ones who aren't necessarily exposed to risk factors like home abuse, mental illness, or school bullying.
One of the things said by my instructor was how callous and graphic the show seemed to be at times and how bad it represented the process of counselling. Another thing is how the show doesn't have any disclaimers about it's content(which makes sense since its a Netflix show, and those aren't going to deter any teen from watching it anyway right?), on a service so easily accessible.
I know this was a book before it was a show, and done even had to read it in high school. Would any of you care to chime in? Is it something that teenagers should watch for educational purposes, or is its main appeal to the macabre and depressing process leading to self harm.
One of the things said by my instructor was how callous and graphic the show seemed to be at times and how bad it represented the process of counselling. Another thing is how the show doesn't have any disclaimers about it's content(which makes sense since its a Netflix show, and those aren't going to deter any teen from watching it anyway right?), on a service so easily accessible.
First thing, Netflix has added content warnings to all the episodes with rape and suicide in them. They should have been there from the beginning.
Second, I think most of the complaints come from people who haven't watched the show, or are coming at it from an angle that all art should show only things that are good or is basically a morality play. I think 13 Reasons Why is incredibly emotionally honest. It in no way glorifies suicide - the scene itself is the hardest shit I've ever had to watch and I've even been a wreck today because I'm depressed and have suicidal thoughts frequently and it hit me really hard. The entire show is about the total devastation Hannah has left in her wake, from her parents to her peers, and basically the entire community. Yes, the counsellor at her school is terrible at his job. He's clearly not equipped to handle a person like Hannah coming through his door. But he did try. And Hannah did set him up to fail a little bit.
I think teenagers and parents and teachers and most people, really, should watch this show. I recommend watching it with someone if you're sensitive to the subject matter, or the person watching it is. The show isn't without its flaws but it really has it where it counts. It's emotionally honest about grief, depression and trauma, it takes its main characters seriously, and it doesn't play any of the terrible shit that happens for plain shock value or cheap thrills. I honestly think it's important.
There were disclaimers before the episodes with graphic or possibly triggering scenes. It honestly sounds like your instructor may have taken personally the fact that the Counselor.was portrayed negatively, as a character who was seriously bad at his job and made things worse
Might be a good idea to watch it for yourself.
Just finished episode 5 a few minutes ago. Its cold and gloomy here so I'll probably marathon a few more episodes.
I'm sure almost anyone watching can relate to some of the story lines, but as a woman, wow, so much of what Hannah has been going through hits home. Especially the bit about the 'list'. That was painful to watch and reminded me of some nasty high school unpleasantness my friends and I went though. Its tough viewing at times, but I can't help but think it has something valuable to say.
I don't think this is much of a spoiler, but Jessica makes a comment in the last episode (or maybe second to last) about how things happen to girls all the time, that no one talks about or does anything about. It's sad and it's true and I appreciated having a character say it out loud.
Last episodeThe counselor was comically incompetent. My roommates and I got to the point where we were pausing after every sentence he said to question why the fuck he has the job he has. After seeing what him and Bryce did, no one else even remotely belongs on those tapes.
This show intrigues me. I haven't watched it yet but it was brought up in a group I'm in in college. The topic we were discussing was repetitive self mutilation in teens and how the media has a big impact in behaviors pertaining to suicidal ideation, actually committing suicide, and other self injurious behaviors in adolescents. Even ones who aren't necessarily exposed to risk factors like home abuse, mental illness, or school bullying.
One of the things said by my instructor was how callous and graphic the show seemed to be at times and how bad it represented the process of counselling. Another thing is how the show doesn't have any disclaimers about it's content(which makes sense since its a Netflix show, and those aren't going to deter any teen from watching it anyway right?), on a service so easily accessible.
I know this was a book before it was a show, and done even had to read it in high school. Would any of you care to chime in? Is it something that teenagers should watch for educational purposes, or is its main appeal to the macabre and depressing process leading to self harm.
my instructor was how callous and graphic the show seemed to be at times and how bad it represented the process of counselling.
I just finished it and I had to fast forward through that part as soon as it started. It was so uncomfortable to watch (as it should be) even just for that one second before I hit that fast forward button. It was the only part of the show I had to do that for. I wasn't ready to see it. I've heard people criticize the show for "romanticizing suicide" but I just don't see how you could possibly think that after watching that scene.The part from the last episode wherewas sooo hard to watch.it shows her slitting her wrists
I spit my drink out.Them planning a second season of this is going to retroactively make the first season worse by sucking out all of the nuance.
Wow. You see, I could have maybe agreed to a couple more episodes, but a whole season leaves me kinda sour.
. What happens in episode 12 is like a sledgehammer to the face. I don't think I've done a 180 so quickly watching an episode.
It's too bad because the final episode is so powerful in spite of all those misgivings, and the message the show tries to convey is equally powerful, and the performances are stellar, but the show's structure crumbles the more it tries to add on.
I really don't see what there is to be gained from a second season with these same characters. If they wanted to make it an anthology show I'd get it, but going back to this well... idk man. Seems like it's kind of missing the point. I want to give it the benefit of the doubt, but I think it's a bad idea.
That would be perfect, but I don't think that'd work with how popular this show got. Everyone's attached to these characters. The audience wants more of them, regardless of what tragedy they have to go through. This needs to be a very solid season.
That's the thing, it's in very real danger of just becoming tragedy porn. Season 1 skirted that deftly, but it's a fine line to walk, and there's only so much that that can reasonably happen at 1 school. For all of its plot contrivances, season 1 was not a melodrama. It was about honestly exploring the emotional and communal fallout of Hannah's suicide. That's done, it's over. But you know audiences will expect new crazy shit, so rather than just continuing with these characters' day-to-day life and regular teen drama, I think there's a good chance it will lean harder into its worst impulses and just double down on the tragedy. That's the easy trap to fall into, and without the original novel to guide them, I don't know that they'll avoid it.
Also let's be real - none of these characters are THAT interesting without Hannah and the show's framing device hanging over them.
I want this to be good. If it explores similar issues as season 1 in a way that is as sensitive and humane, I'm all for it. I just see so many ways for this to go bad.
Dolla dolla bill y'all....why
Like, isn't that the point? All the other things were annoying and small but perhaps not enough to drive someone to commit suicide on their own, then that tipped the boat over. You're watching as someone literally loses the will to live, not random high school drama
Watched this this weekend.
What a load of horse shit. This is probably one of the worst shows I've watched. So much navel gazing.
I respect the unreliable narrator stuff... but the fake out stuff was bad
That's the thing, it's in very real danger of just becoming tragedy porn. Season 1 skirted that deftly, but it's a fine line to walk, and there's only so much that that can reasonably happen at 1 school. For all of its plot contrivances, season 1 was not a melodrama. It was about honestly exploring the emotional and communal fallout of Hannah's suicide. That's done, it's over. But you know audiences will expect new crazy shit, so rather than just continuing with these characters' day-to-day life and regular teen drama, I think there's a good chance it will lean harder into its worst impulses and just double down on the tragedy. That's the easy trap to fall into, and without the original novel to guide them, I don't know that they'll avoid it.
Also let's be real - none of these characters are THAT interesting without Hannah and the show's framing device hanging over them.
I want this to be good. If it explores similar issues as season 1 in a way that is as sensitive and humane, I'm all for it. I just see so many ways for this to go bad.