"God's Beard!"
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What use is a guide for an action game? If you're not a collector, of course.
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Augemitbutter
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could be helpful for newcomes to the genre, if the guide is good enough explaining things.
i rather get an artbook from japan instead.
i rather get an artbook from japan instead.
God's Beard said:
Ninja Gaiden Black vs Ninja Gaiden II
Ninja Gaiden II is way more like Bayonetta than Ninja Gaiden Black. It really needed a versatile dodge move like in Bayonetta. Dash was too slow and had a recovery frame where you were a sitting duck and it was only invincible on the starting frames.
iconoclast
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Re: Jeanne
Understanding her quirks is the most important part of pure platinuming her. The safest way to deal with her is to stand about 12-15 feet away, while holding X to keep your combo going and chip away at her health. She will randomly throw out a (nearly instant) Wicked Weave, and if you dodge that you can go into Witch Time and get a free combo on her (YYYBY(hold) with electric durgas is what I use). If you're keeping a safe distance and watching for her Weave, you certainly have enough time to dodge it. Sometimes she'll rush up to you and attack with her katana, which always ends with a "weave" attack which will give Witch Time if you dodge it properly. If you get to close to her she'll usually jump in the air and do a dive kick, so keep your distance. Sometimes she'll use her gun attack which is usually a good opportunity for a free hit (<>P works well here, or YBY if you can get close enough). She does have one move that I find kinda cheap though; she can do a forward+kick attack out of nowhere, and if you're close enough it's almost impossible to react to in time. There might be a tell that I haven't noticed yet.
Of course that's all for Normal and Hard, I haven't started a Pure Platinum Inf. Climax run yet (I'm only about half way through Hard).
whoa man why you gotta bring hentai into this
Understanding her quirks is the most important part of pure platinuming her. The safest way to deal with her is to stand about 12-15 feet away, while holding X to keep your combo going and chip away at her health. She will randomly throw out a (nearly instant) Wicked Weave, and if you dodge that you can go into Witch Time and get a free combo on her (YYYBY(hold) with electric durgas is what I use). If you're keeping a safe distance and watching for her Weave, you certainly have enough time to dodge it. Sometimes she'll rush up to you and attack with her katana, which always ends with a "weave" attack which will give Witch Time if you dodge it properly. If you get to close to her she'll usually jump in the air and do a dive kick, so keep your distance. Sometimes she'll use her gun attack which is usually a good opportunity for a free hit (<>P works well here, or YBY if you can get close enough). She does have one move that I find kinda cheap though; she can do a forward+kick attack out of nowhere, and if you're close enough it's almost impossible to react to in time. There might be a tell that I haven't noticed yet.
Of course that's all for Normal and Hard, I haven't started a Pure Platinum Inf. Climax run yet (I'm only about half way through Hard).
Trojan X said:
whoa man why you gotta bring hentai into this
Dabookerman
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God's Beard said:
I'm getting it for the cool other shit you get with it. I'm a big fan already so I'm just gonna collect the shit out of Bayonetta.
"God's Beard!"
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ultim8p00 said:
I know the difference between the games. NG2 is just a faster version of NGB with worse bosses and an unpolished framerate. It's definitely more aggressive than NGB, but it's not about constantly attacking like Bayonetta. You just have less opportunities to sit back on block.
"God's Beard!"
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Trojan X said:
Your post history seems a bit overhyped, my good man.
Which enemies are Grace & Glory again? Different from Gracious & Glorious I assume? I stopped reading about the enemies after less than half the game :lol Completely forgot about the log book.
Also, does the combo multiplier go beyond 9.9, behind the scenes, or does it stay at 9.9 no matter what you do?
Almost 30 hours now & I still haven't started playing on Hard :lol Haven't even found all Alfhiems yet. Taking it slow I guess :S
Also, does the combo multiplier go beyond 9.9, behind the scenes, or does it stay at 9.9 no matter what you do?
Almost 30 hours now & I still haven't started playing on Hard :lol Haven't even found all Alfhiems yet. Taking it slow I guess :S
iconoclast
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When Cereza gets damaged during the escort missions, that damage counts against your score at the end of the verse, right? I'm not sure, but I don't want to risk it.
Everything involving her is so poorly designed, I can't stand this trash.
Everything involving her is so poorly designed, I can't stand this trash.
ConcealedBlaze
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NIN90 said:
I've wondered this myself
iconoclast
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MiniDitka said:
Well,
you can play as her for a little while if you get hit with the blue disc attack from the final boss.
Close enough, right?
mjemirzian
Banned
iconoclast said:
Maybe you should take a look at that little guide I am working on. No it doesn't count against your score if she gets hurt.
iconoclast
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mjemirzian said:
Oh, well that's good. I guess my last 5 restarts were for nothing then!
Did anyone manage to Platinum chapter 8 yet? Or hell, PURE platinum it? I really suck at this level and would like an actual stategy next time because it's the only chapter I don't like. Fighting Joy on the highway is annoying as hell because of the camera and the extremely fast cars that give little to no audio ques. I know you can stand on the sides but when there's 3 joys they seem to fight back at a range where you need to go out there for a little bit. Then the actual motorcycle part, where random shit seems to hurt me. Should I just go the default speed or something?
She got hit for me in that tunnel where you get chased and I still managed to get a Pure Platinum before, so it doesn't seem like it. Not to mention it's nearly impossible in some cases(like the fight that starts with fearless basically drilling towards you that always seems to hit her).
They seem like scarborough fair clones that can't do wicked weaves. Basically weak guns that gain a lot of magic, so you can do a lot of high combos/torture attacks on enemies before killing them.
iconoclast said:
She got hit for me in that tunnel where you get chased and I still managed to get a Pure Platinum before, so it doesn't seem like it. Not to mention it's nearly impossible in some cases(like the fight that starts with fearless basically drilling towards you that always seems to hit her).
Tokubetsu said:
They seem like scarborough fair clones that can't do wicked weaves. Basically weak guns that gain a lot of magic, so you can do a lot of high combos/torture attacks on enemies before killing them.
Tokubetsu said:
The guns are basically just a nerfed "Scarborough Fair".
For all sakes and purposes, you can definitely think of them as Scar Fair, minus the fact that you won't get any Wicked Weaves with these weapons.
It's actually not as bad as you may think. No knockback from the weaves means that enemies won't get cleared away so easily, and you can get them back in the combos faster. Plus, it may be me, but I think they even help restore your magic meter faster per hit (which is something I would appreciate when I'm rocking the Bangle of Time with Eternal Testimony).
Fimbulvetr
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TreIII said:
They also help with Torture Attack Alfheims and the second part of The Vestiblue.
Minamu said:
Grace & Glory are Blue and Orange claws and Witch Time works when dodging.
Gracious and Glorious have White and Black claws and you don't get Witch Time dodging them. they're uber annoying, esp when you fight a group in Infinite Climax mode...
i didn't know about the log book until after i beat Hard :lol
iconoclast
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Papercuts said:
There's a couple ways to do that fight. Since you're on Normal you can just try to rush through it as soon as it starts. Get close enough to the first Joy and wait for her to do an attack that's easily dodge-able for witch time (like her forward+punch), then kill her as quick as possible. Rush toward the other Joys and do the same - just activate Witch Time ASAP and take them out. Another (safer) way is to stay in the breakdown lane and aim the camera toward the wall. They won't START an attack unless they are on-screen, so they will come to you eventually and you'll be out of the way of traffic.
Finally ready to start this. Just finished Valkyria Chronicles and wanted more Valkyria Chronicles, but I saw the launch trailer for this last night and it pumped me up for the game.
mjemirzian
Banned
>Did anyone manage to Platinum chapter 8 yet? Or hell, PURE platinum it? I really suck at this level and would like an actual stategy next time because it's the only chapter I don't like.
Check the Xbox 360 scoreboards. There are playthroughs on all difficulties with all Pure Platinums in every verse. However most of those were achieved by abusing the kilgore glitch. There are 2-3 legit looking playthroughs on climax difficulty with all pure platinums.. legit meaning their combo score isn't through the roof due to abusing kilgore. So out of hundreds of thousands of players, only a handful have actually legit PPed climax difficulty.
>Okay vestibule torture attack shit on hard is giving me a little trouble.
End the first verse with a full magic bar. You don't need to kill with the torture attacks, just pull them off.
Check the Xbox 360 scoreboards. There are playthroughs on all difficulties with all Pure Platinums in every verse. However most of those were achieved by abusing the kilgore glitch. There are 2-3 legit looking playthroughs on climax difficulty with all pure platinums.. legit meaning their combo score isn't through the roof due to abusing kilgore. So out of hundreds of thousands of players, only a handful have actually legit PPed climax difficulty.
>Okay vestibule torture attack shit on hard is giving me a little trouble.
End the first verse with a full magic bar. You don't need to kill with the torture attacks, just pull them off.
Tokubetsu said:
Are you talking about the one where you have to fight grace and glory and get 3 torture attacks on them? If so I found an easy way to pure platinum that shit. Grace and Glory are only as agressive as you are towards them in that fight, possibly because Jeanne is also there and there is some sort of weird AI shit going on. If you leave them alone, they will hardly attack you and they'll just dart around you. Basically do p,delay,p with katana to launch one of them in the air,dodge once to get closer, then repeat (any combo that launches should work). As long as you don't hit the other partner, he won't come after you (unless Jeanne hits him when you are close to her then he may hit you while trying to hit her). Do this until you get meter, then do your torture. Rinse and repeat for perfect platinum, dodging here and there of course.
Scythesurge
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I just beat it...words can't even describe what an awesome game this was.
Dabookerman
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Chapter 8, the fight on the highway. On the road. Fuck it. FUCK. 3 of the cunts. With stupid cars driving. ARGH.
ShockingAlberto
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You're safe on the side of the road.Dabookerman said:
The smart thing to do is build up magic in the fight before which is just horn angels and a few larger ones and letting loose on torture attacks.
TreIII said:So, have any of you guys "graduated" to Jeanne, yet?
Playing Hard Mode with her is definitely no joke. Glad I invested in getting her a Bangle of Time, as well.
And Little Zero? ....SO not worth the trouble to get. Just completed the game on normal with him nonetheless...
I know none of your upgrades carry over to Jeanne, but what about achievement related unlocks, or something like the 100 chapter Nunchuks? Do you have to do literally everything again, or do some (or all) of the unlockable weapons and accessories appear in the shop as soon as you boot up a Jeanne game?
Monocle
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WTF, I just spent two hours trying to beat the Alfheim Portal in Chapter 6 on Hard (kill 7 enemies with torture attacks and beat the rest under the time limit. Wave 1: Burning Affinity x4, Burning Ardor x1. Wave 2: Burning Ardor x1, Fairness x2. Wave 3: Joy x3.) just to get Umbran Tear #77 from the crow sitting on the left side of the path as you enter the arena. My favorite part is probably the time I had the last Joy down to half health and, at the exact moment I pressed Y+B to finish her off with a torture attack, she kicked me in the face and broke my last health orb. :lol
Every new attempt saw my strategy honed just a little more. To lower the first Ardor's health enough that he could be killed by a torture attack, I switched from my first setup, all Scarborough Fair, to Scarborough Fair and Durga (flame). Later I found it was faster to take him out with two torture attacks. I started using the butterfly shield accessory when I noticed how many hits I had been taking. While this kept me alive for longer, the need to periodically reactivate my shields and compensate for their cost in magic power made combat with fast enemies more difficult to manage. Pillow Talk came into play in the second and third wave, taking over for Kilgore as my main damage dealer. The stripper pole attack with enemy polearms dropped by wave 1's Affinities turned out to be the key to building up enough magic during wave 2 to pull off the last two torture attacks I needed. My tactics for Joy made a 180 degree shift in my later attempts, from strictly defensive actions to sustained bursts of aggressive melee combat. Finally, right after I decided, "Okay, no matter how badly this goes, this is my last try today," I won.
It was the biggest challenge Bayonetta has thrown my way so far, a situation that really highlighted the quality of the game's combat system and the vast array of options it offers. I feel like a better player now, and Bayonetta feels like a better game.
Every new attempt saw my strategy honed just a little more. To lower the first Ardor's health enough that he could be killed by a torture attack, I switched from my first setup, all Scarborough Fair, to Scarborough Fair and Durga (flame). Later I found it was faster to take him out with two torture attacks. I started using the butterfly shield accessory when I noticed how many hits I had been taking. While this kept me alive for longer, the need to periodically reactivate my shields and compensate for their cost in magic power made combat with fast enemies more difficult to manage. Pillow Talk came into play in the second and third wave, taking over for Kilgore as my main damage dealer. The stripper pole attack with enemy polearms dropped by wave 1's Affinities turned out to be the key to building up enough magic during wave 2 to pull off the last two torture attacks I needed. My tactics for Joy made a 180 degree shift in my later attempts, from strictly defensive actions to sustained bursts of aggressive melee combat. Finally, right after I decided, "Okay, no matter how badly this goes, this is my last try today," I won.
It was the biggest challenge Bayonetta has thrown my way so far, a situation that really highlighted the quality of the game's combat system and the vast array of options it offers. I feel like a better player now, and Bayonetta feels like a better game.
AgentOtaku
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Started playing the PS3 version:
- Story is a looney incomprehensible mess right now, but it's okay, I'll deal. I am not of a fan of the still frame/film sequences. Folklore did them better and here they just feel really budget
- Combat is fun, but I'm not going ga-ga for it just yet.
- Visuals ...man the visuals. Knowing that there is a version out there that's runs at a consistant (for the most part) 60fps, really kills my enjoyment of this version. I mean, it's really jarring how the PS3 version can go from okay to flat out ugly in an instant and constantly. I'm not a shallow guy and I can get past visuals for alot of things, but when the visuals are that much part of the experience IE: smooth, responsive gameplay because of tech performance, you can help feel like your getting really jipped from the intended means of play. People can shit on something like Dante's Inferno all the want and the gameplay is take it or leave it, but you can't deny how good/important that locked-in framerate feels/plays
...it's funny ya know. Never thought I'd give a shit about this =/
- Story is a looney incomprehensible mess right now, but it's okay, I'll deal. I am not of a fan of the still frame/film sequences. Folklore did them better and here they just feel really budget
- Combat is fun, but I'm not going ga-ga for it just yet.
- Visuals ...man the visuals. Knowing that there is a version out there that's runs at a consistant (for the most part) 60fps, really kills my enjoyment of this version. I mean, it's really jarring how the PS3 version can go from okay to flat out ugly in an instant and constantly. I'm not a shallow guy and I can get past visuals for alot of things, but when the visuals are that much part of the experience IE: smooth, responsive gameplay because of tech performance, you can help feel like your getting really jipped from the intended means of play. People can shit on something like Dante's Inferno all the want and the gameplay is take it or leave it, but you can't deny how good/important that locked-in framerate feels/plays
...it's funny ya know. Never thought I'd give a shit about this =/
ShockingAlberto
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Verses.Giolon said:
I've been holding out on getting it for this reason, I'm not going to be buying another 360 any time soon, if ever, and I want to play it because I've heard some amazing praise, but I'm concerned about the performance really hurting the experience.AgentOtaku said:
Maybe someone can give me a good suggestion, PS3 Bayonetta or no Bayonetta?
â Narayan
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It would be great if there was an option to retry Verses.
mjemirzian
Banned
Giolon said:
You need a platinum in the ALL category on normal difficulty, which is calculated based on your chapter trophies.
Monocle
Member
For what little it's worth, I watched a ton of PS3 Bayonetta footage recently and couldn't tell the difference between it and the 360 version I've been playing since the 5th. In fact, most of the best players I've seen on YouTube play the PS3 version (probably because the PS3 is more popular than the 360 in Japan).StuBurns said:
I think you'd have to be a complete fool to pass up on an experience like Bayonetta just because technical problems might dilute the experience. You'll still be playing the same amazing title as the rest of us, while, if you skip it, you'll be playing nothing.