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[CambriaRising]

Shh. Don't let facts get in the way of hurling abuse at someone NeoGAF has already decided it dislikes.

Neogaf is not a single entity, junior.

 

[Foffy]

Haha this is sort of amusing, from six months ago:

https://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/251538235845656576

I give Keighly a 9.5 for consistency.

This needs to be brought up more. What a fucking hypocrite. Exclusive content for games is exclusive content for games. That includes pre-order bonuses, reveals, and reviews. Guess which one these guys are so up in arms about? Surely it can't be the big one that nets them traffic, no sir..

Sure, it's a gross model, but it's absolutely hilarious that some journalists turn into entitled children when their big money maker is twisted a certain way. I mean, aren't we, the consumer, supposed to be the entitled ones? <3

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Wait, what integrity does geoff advertising compromise? He doesnt do reviews.

are you in the games media? Then a lot of GAF hates you.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

I think that it's just IGN since they have the greatest reach. For example, here's IGN vs. the sites that had staffers complaining about the exclusive review

Holy shit!

 

[Lucius86]

People on internet forums care just as much as anyone else. Lets not act like hardcore gamers and enthusiasts are above this. Review score threads generate a ton of traffic here, most big games get dedicated threads JUST FOR review score discussion, hell back in the old print EGM days, people on GAF would spend pages and pages arguing back and forth over the review scores for games THAT WEREN'T EVEN OUT YET (?!?)

I entirely agree. Ratings are massively important in all industries - whilst I do read reviews fir games I know I will be interested in, it's impossible to ignore the score.

But I think review scores impact the 'mass market' far more, mainly because us forumers are more aware of the gaming press system. It doesn't make us immune.

 

[diamount]

I can understand review embargoes but this is downright devious. Fully expect 2k to do this with GTA V.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

Neogaf is not a single entity, junior.

Well, there has been a lot of "us" vs "them" posts around here.

 

[CambriaRising]

Well, there has been a lot of "us" vs "them" posts around here.

I don't agree with either sentiments. Good games journalism does exist.

 

[Clear]

I don't think they do. While I may for the most part may not be a Kotaku fan I will give Stephan and them props for a couple things. As mentioned they don't just add a score to their reviews and they do engage with critics as seen in this very thread. So if they thought so little of their readers I think they'd just ignore them or do nothing but talk shit about them the way others in the industry do.

My point was that if a site is being given preferential treatment in the coverage of particular product I think a degree of extra skepticism is natural. Its a big red flag indicating that you should probably wait for corroboration before deciding it to be trustworthy and accurate.

A single opinion, be it honest and genuine or bought and paid-for is not that significant in terms of the overall value of the press. Especially when its something as subjective and flaky as a review.

The REAL difference is that the site with the exclusive is going to benefit irrespective of whether its a positive or negative piece. Something that brings into sharp focus the disturbing realization that all reviews are revenue streams to their writers/publishers, and as such are already tainted by the spectre financial imperatives influencing their objectivity.

 

[GavinGT]

Neogaf is not a single entity, junior.

I don't know that calling people that is setting the best example for our younger generation.

"I learned it from you, dad!"

 

[Fried Food]

people talking about geoff look like fools.

he doesn't do reviews, trailers, interviews, reveals <> journalistic integrity, does not equal consumer trust. He isn't here to help you decide if you should buy something

 

[sikkinixx]

So basically "wah my site isn't going to get as many clicks"? as if any of these editors whining wouldn't take the exclusive if they could.

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

Free market.

 

[lazer_bean]

gies, keighley lol

the tortilla chips guy and the EA community manager applicant
so bad it's good but it's so much it's disgusting

they're just pissed off because IGN has been doing the same shit they wanted to do before them.

 

[Reluctant-Hero]

Really? Us people on Internet forums are just but a small percentage who buy games. Marketing and review scores are key.

You're not thinking fourth dimensionaly. People on Gaf aren't the target demo for review scores or magazine ads. That's for people who have never even heard of Gaf and trust these sites' opinions.

Which I think is what this whole integrity thing is about. Gaf is white knighting those kids who trust these "news" sources without realizing that these sites are basically a form of marketing.

You're both absolutely right, the average GAF user is in no way the target audience for game reviews. But I would have thought that by this point in the overall industry cycle, since the crash of Atari, that "Joe & Jane Consumer" would know what appeals to them and just go purchase the product. Not run to Metacritic, IGN or whatever to see what the score is. Obviously I'm wrong.

 

[bishoptl]

Neogaf is not a single entity, junior.

While technically correct, this sort of delivery never turns out well.

 

[Messofanego]

Exhibit A.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=48010522

GODDAMN!

Gies eating that crow.

 

[CambriaRising]

I don't know that calling people that is setting the best example for our younger generation.

"I learned it from you, dad!"

I am certainly not going to encourage the "hivemind"-like comments.

But I did learn it from you, DAD.

While technically correct, this sort of delivery never turns out well.

Well damn.

 

[RobertMuldoon]

What has Arthur Gies done to lose his credibility? I must have missed that one.

 

[BearPawB]

You're both absolutely right, the average GAF users is in no way the target audience for game reviews. But I would have thought that by this point in the overall industry cycle, since the crash of Atari, that "Joe & Jane Consumer" would know what appeals to them and just go buy purchase. Not run to Metacritic, IGN or whatever to see what the score is. Obviously I'm wrong.

$60 is a lot of money to a lot of people.
It's enough that people want opinions before purchasing.

 

[Kade]

Well, there has been a lot of "us" vs "them" posts around here.

It's hilarious when both sides have unrealistic standards and expectations for one another and watching them come to that realization.

 

[RedNumberFive]

What has Arthur Gies done to lose his credibility? I must have missed that one.

In order to lose it, one would have to have credibility to begin with.

 

[DaBuddaDa]

What has Arthur Gies done to lose his credibility? I must have missed that one.

A lot recently. Hard to summarize all of it; I suggest just reading all of this thread.

 

[Vire]

What sites actually get exclusive reviews? Does anyone besides ign do it?

Game Informer, I know Gamespot did it a few times in the past but since stopped.

 

[ElRenoRaven]

While technically correct, this sort of delivery never turns out well.

I done see what you done did there. LMAO

 

[maverick40]

Haha these "journalists" are just jealous their site is nowhere near as popular as IGN. From a business point of view, this majes perfect sense for 2k and IGN. Good move.

 

[unbias]

are you in the games media? Then a lot of GAF hates you.

Ya, Geoff has never really bothered me, in terms of his shtick. The only thing that really turned me off was how arrogant he appeared at GDC quite a few years back when the clearly green and fairly clueless angry joe was demeaned and "booed off the stage" after he publicly embarrassed him.

Besides that and my sheer contempt for the VGA "thing" I actually like listening to his commentary, smart guy if a bit arrogant.

 

[Vire]

Haha these "journalists" are just jealous their site is nowhere near as popular as IGN. From a business point of view, this majes perfect sense for 2k and IGN. Good move.

It only makes sense for 2k if it reviews well.

But who am I kidding, it's an exclusive IGN review.

 

[Big-ass Ramp]

unfettered perfection

 

[DaBuddaDa]

It only makes sense for 2k if it reviews well.

How much you wanna bet 9.0 or higher?

 

[rdrr gnr]

What has Arthur Gies done to lose his credibility? I must have missed that one.

Corporate ballwashing and anti-consumer rhetoric.

 

[Corto]

people talking about geoff look like fools.

he doesn't do reviews, trailers, interviews, reveals <> journalistic integrity, does not equal consumer trust. He isn't here to help you decide if you should buy something

Off course he is. Even when passively.

 

[Reluctant-Hero]

$60 is a lot of money to a lot of people.
It's enough that people want opinions before purchasing.

It's a lot to me as well, which is I buy very few games at full price these days.

 

[Raitosaito]

It only makes sense for 2k if it reviews well.

But who am I kidding, it's an exclusive IGN review.

10's
10's everywhere

 

[DerZuhälter]

Funny how people are trashing Arthur Gies now. Is this still the same forum that was eating out of his credible hands notions about secret sauce and next gen racing games being developed?!

 

[Lucius86]

You're both absolutely right, the average GAF users is in no way the target audience for game reviews. But I would have thought that by this point in the overall industry cycle, since the crash of Atari, that "Joe & Jane Consumer" would know what appeals to them and just go buy purchase. Not run to Metacritic, IGN or whatever to see what the score is. Obviously I'm wrong.

I understand where you are coming from, but I honestly don't think the industry is mature enough yet. The type of games being released is constantly evolving at a faster rate than most entertainment mediums (look at the supposed "dumbing down of games" that has really only happened in this console generation). Its moved too quickly for the general public to truly know what they are buying. And mass market media reviews for games are usually terrible.

Anyway, I will stop now - I am digressing from the main point of this thread!

 

[Jake Tower]

Viacom does not write or compete for exclusive reviews.

Geoff, you need an avatar. We have some for you to choose from.

 

[Vire]

How much you wanna bet 9.0 or higher?

Not going to bet against that, since that's a losing bet.

A better question would be how much you want to bet it gets a 10?

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

Haha these "journalists" are just jealous their site is nowhere near as popular as IGN. From a business point of view, this majes perfect sense for 2k and IGN. Good move.

Yep, is a really good move that one of the most popular and shoddiest video game sites gets more popular and shoddiest.

 

[Corto]

Funny how people are trashing Arthur Gies now. Is this still the same forum that was eating out of his credible hands notions about secret sauce and next gen racing games being developed?!

We are schizophrenic. All 96.873 of us.

 

[Mulberry]

people talking about geoff look like fools.

he doesn't do reviews, trailers, interviews, reveals <> journalistic integrity, does not equal consumer trust. He isn't here to help you decide if you should buy something

Bullshit, the content he puts out is solely for the purpose of helping people decide whether to buy games or not. They are advertising pure and simple.

 

[grimshawish]

Funny how people are trashing Arthur Gies now. Is this still the same forum that was eating out of his credible hands notions about secret sauce and next gen racing games being developed?!

Go read that thread again and then come down off that pedestal to the rest of us; its warmer and honestly socialising ain't all that bad.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Funny how people are trashing Arthur Gies now. Is this still the same forum that was eating out of his credible hands notions about secret sauce and next gen racing games being developed?!

Is this targeted at everyone or just the people heavily invested in rumors for the next Xbox? Arthur's attitude and questionable opinions have been an issue for awhile.

 

[PogiJones]

I think this thread has shown far more filth coming from posters than from the journalists. I certainly turn a skeptical eye at games journalism, but the amount of hate spewed about these guys is terrible. I had no idea what this Arthur Gies guy did, so I went and read the twitter battle, and then the SimCity changed review, and you know what? I didn't see anything wrong with it. Disagree with these guys all you like, but they're not doing anything wrong besides having different opinions than you, and occasionally tweeting with too much juvenile emotion.

 

[ezekielpacman]

Funny how people are trashing Arthur Gies now. Is this still the same forum that was eating out of his credible hands notions about secret sauce and next gen racing games being developed?!

I remember an artistic off-focus tattoo shot precipitating much disdain well before that.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Bullshit, the content he puts out is solely for the purpose of helping people decide whether to buy games or not. They are advertising pure and simple.

No more than Ryan Seacrest helps you decide if you should drink Coke and watch American Idol.

 

[Vire]

Arthur Gies defenders up in here now?

I really have seen it all on GAF today.

 

[RionaaM]

Especially when combined.

Oh no you just didn't!

 

[IdreamofHIME]

Especially when combined.

My problem with this lies in the fact the person who made might not know how to pronounce Deus properly.



I facepalmed so hard when I heard a worker in a games store try to get someone ahead of me in the queue to preorder "Juice Ex".

 

[Lovely Salsa]

Whats the cheapest place to pick this up digitally? For pc that is