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Bish's Official GTA IV Thread of Comparisons and Ignoring the OP at One's Peril
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Artofwar420
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Dot50Cal said:
That's what I said, OH, my bad I guess I'm generalizing thinking EVERYBODY has a 1080p TV, but if you do GTA IV will upscale to 1080p. I repeat, it is not true 1080p because the games' native resolution is 720p in all versions.
King_Slender
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Dot50Cal said:
This sums up the "softer" vs. "clinical" look Houser was talking about. The amount of spin that each side (Xbots v SDF) is putting into this just shows that both versions are phenomenal.
Francias Castiglione
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Have you tried using the in-game colour controls to emulate the other system? I would guess TV colour temp controls would do a good job as well.
PuppetMaster
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Dot50Cal said:
There are more pedestrians in the PS3 shot. 6 vs 3. Is this just a coincidence?
Kill Your Masters
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This.+Aliken+ said:
plagiarize
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the lighting in those outdoor shots looks the same... i wonder if it's just the difference in 'softness' and colour palette that we've been seeing. any pictures that demonstrate the guessed fp10 vs fp16 differences?
great work on the comparissons shots though so far.
great work on the comparissons shots though so far.
Hello all,
Bish, I just wanted to say that was an incredible ending for the other thread. I went to bed, woke up, and saw your post and almost spit out my coffee.
With that said, I'm glad it was closed and now we can move on to actually enjoying the goddamn game.
Bish, I just wanted to say that was an incredible ending for the other thread. I went to bed, woke up, and saw your post and almost spit out my coffee.
With that said, I'm glad it was closed and now we can move on to actually enjoying the goddamn game.
Truant said:
And the in-game settings too, "Saturation" is the little thing that does it for me, and frankly, the differences are so damn small that people are literally pointing out stuff that they wouldn't even perceive if it wasn't examined forensically while playing.
The bottom line is that GTA IV looks damn awesome, regardless of console bias, when I went to the bowling alley on my first date, I literally walked the entire way to catch a better of view of how awesome the game looked, the watercolour filter Rockstar used is phenomenal, things like Trees, distant objects etc look like they have been majestically brushed onto a canvas, and that is something both versions share, no amount of nit-picking over what version is the "definitive" one can take away from this.
Kinan said:
The G70 (and RSX) limitation with regard to performing MSAA on FP targets is hardware-based : http://www.beyond3d.com/content/reviews/38/2
B3D review said:
Not sure about Motorstorm, but Heavenly Sword doesn't use FP16 for its HDR implementation (they use a different color space, IIRC). HDR and FP16 are two different things, you shouldn't mistake one for the other.
Dot50Cal said:I'm not going to bother. You can adjust your tv settings if you'd like, and I'm sure you'd be able to emulate it well. This nonsense has gone on for enough as far as I'm concerned. Just have fun and play the game
Yeah
Well I got a PV4 capture card and would love to do it myself, but my review copy is a little bit late. Thought it was good for others to see that they actually are close.Manager said:Yeah
Sorry, I didn't want to come off as an ass. Its just I've been comparing these the whole time and not even playing them, so to finally have a conclusion as to which version I prefer I just want to dive into the game and play it now
So a friend and I just spent 2 hours eyeballing both versions on his 1080p Bravia. Both PS3 and 360 connected via HDMI with identical settings. We would play one for a bit then switch over and play the other.
Conclusions we came to:
Immediately obvious was the softer more aliased PS3 image.
The PS3 colours are much nicer I think than that of the 360, but that's a personal preference. My friend liked the 360 colours more.
The 360 had a higher framerate almost all the time, particularly while driving. This was the most obvious thing to us. While the bottom end on both systems felt pretty similair, the 360 consistantly had a smoother framerate.
Textures seem identical, but the 360 had more levels of Ansiotropic filtering.
Pop-in was present on both versions. Less on the PS3 but certainly not by a significant amount.
Conclusions we came to:
Immediately obvious was the softer more aliased PS3 image.
The PS3 colours are much nicer I think than that of the 360, but that's a personal preference. My friend liked the 360 colours more.
The 360 had a higher framerate almost all the time, particularly while driving. This was the most obvious thing to us. While the bottom end on both systems felt pretty similair, the 360 consistantly had a smoother framerate.
Textures seem identical, but the 360 had more levels of Ansiotropic filtering.
Pop-in was present on both versions. Less on the PS3 but certainly not by a significant amount.
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Surfheart said:
What about pop-in. I bought the PS3 version last night (midnight launch) and haven't had a chance to get on it.
TheDrowningMan
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I think that as a single player experience they both obviously have their advantages. I opted for PS3 because the hazy colour style really appealed to me in comparison videos. Hearing of less pop-in was nice too, though that was a very marginal issue - the PS3 version has a lot (judging by my 6+ hours of play so far), the 360 game has a bit more. Wow.
So yeah...I like the softer, smoother PS3 image. There's something organic about it that caught my eye, but both are incredible. If I'm still interested in the game come autumn I'll buy the 360 version second hand for the DLC and an online experience I'm sure will be slightly better
So yeah...I like the softer, smoother PS3 image. There's something organic about it that caught my eye, but both are incredible. If I'm still interested in the game come autumn I'll buy the 360 version second hand for the DLC and an online experience I'm sure will be slightly better
Stand by for the worst quality comparison yet. A GAF exclusive, brought to you by pswii60:
Personally, in real life, I think the 360 version looks a tad sharper, especially when you move closer to the screen, but both feel a bit "low-res" compared to other games. The effect reminds me of Wreckless on Xbox 1. I've seen some pop-in in both versions of the game, but neither to any extreme, on both versions it's few and far between. The framerate feels slightly higher in the 360 version, especially when indoors.
Really, it comes down to what console all your mates own if you want to play online, or if your 360 is playing up, or if you prefer the quiet purr of the PS3's drive. Personally I always tend to lean towards 360 because of achievements and because all my mates own one, but it's such a close tie on this game, I can understand why multi-console owners are so baffled about which version to play. But let's be honest, either way you ain't going to go wrong.
Personally, in real life, I think the 360 version looks a tad sharper, especially when you move closer to the screen, but both feel a bit "low-res" compared to other games. The effect reminds me of Wreckless on Xbox 1. I've seen some pop-in in both versions of the game, but neither to any extreme, on both versions it's few and far between. The framerate feels slightly higher in the 360 version, especially when indoors.
Really, it comes down to what console all your mates own if you want to play online, or if your 360 is playing up, or if you prefer the quiet purr of the PS3's drive. Personally I always tend to lean towards 360 because of achievements and because all my mates own one, but it's such a close tie on this game, I can understand why multi-console owners are so baffled about which version to play. But let's be honest, either way you ain't going to go wrong.
Lord Error
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From those two screens it does look like PS3 ver. has higher precision HDR. Or something else, I don't know, but the lighting does look visibly less harsh. Not just warmer in color, but better spread out, which is usually a sign of higher precision HDR.Dot50Cal said:
HS is using different color space, but it's mostly just a workaround to give the same exact HDR precision as regular FP16, which rendering with 4xMSAA.CorwinB said:
commariodore64
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Marconelly said:
The lighting looks the same - the filtering however - looks different and may be what 'spreads' the light more gracefully to some. This is usually the case in PS3 360 games - the PS3 does *edit*different*end edit* filtering.
THat said - I have the 360 version and love it!
plagiarize
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i think it's pretty hard to say given that everything looks 'warmer' in the PS3 version and given the softer look of the upscaling. they do both certainly have different looks... but i'd like to see split screen videos of the same places at the same time of day...Marconelly said:
of course, i also know how incredibly difficult that is to do.
pr0cs
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I was a little worried for the version that I had preordered (choice was made on historic multiplat games more than platform preference) but these shots and video really cleared things up for me. Seems like both versions look and perform nearly identical which is great.
Thanks for the work guys.
Thanks for the work guys.
plagiarize
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i can't get my copy until late tonight. this is helping scratch that itch... and we're stickied so it's not like we're going to move whether or not we post.Mash said:
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I don't think the lighting looks the same. From my experience with various HDR demos, higher precision HDR gives this appearance of better, smoother spreading of lighting across the surfaces. It's even more visible in Dot50's video IMO on Niko's face when it moves from one side of the video to another.commariodore64 said:The lighting looks the same - the filtering however - looks different and may be what 'spreads' the light more gracefully to some. This is usually the case in PS3 360 games - the PS3 does better filtering.
THat said - I have the 360 version and love it!
commariodore64
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I don't see it in either - I see a typical 360 contrast increase which may be what is hiding the subtlety - but as stated before - fp16 and AA don't match with PS3(ie can't be done effeciently). So the likelyhood of differing lighting models is questionable - and not evident in any shots or vids yet.Marconelly said:
It looks like the typical contrast & brightness differences.
Taking the 360 version of the shot below into Photoshop and acclimating the gamma to a similar level of the PS3 output gives you what you see below... pretty much identical...
http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gtavs8.jpg
And if one wanted to get real nit picky they could take a gander at the man below the laundrymat sign and notice one version is lacking any shadowing...
it's a trap!
I just don't know which version features a smoother framerate. Everybody has said something different. Some claim the PS3 version has the smoother framerate while others say the opposite. I suppose that would indicate that they are close enough in that regard that people really can't detect a real difference.
tinfoilhatman
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From the new shots posted by Dot50Cal and pswii60 the 360 version is clearly sharper, I do like the color palatte and somthing about the shadows on the PS3 version but on my big screen 1080p TV I'll take the 360 version.
Doesn't really matter to me at this point my mind is made up because of my viewing cercumstances but any word on DTS for the PS3?
Doesn't really matter to me at this point my mind is made up because of my viewing cercumstances but any word on DTS for the PS3?
commariodore64
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negatory on dtstinfoilhatman said:
Lord Error
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I took these face shots of Nico's cousin just a few frames apart when he was passing the middle of the screen in one scene:commariodore64 said:
In motion the difference in the way their faces are lit is even more obvious IMO, but you can see even in this small screen how there's less harsh highlight spread on the face on the left. It's not just the contrast.
There's a movie made by Dot50 on Gamersyde.comduk said: