GhostRidah
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Blizzard: Valve shouldn't trademark DOTA
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flarkminator
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Dalauz said:
Then I'm pretty sure they wouldn't own everything made with SC2?
notworksafe
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They could have bought it and then released it to the community or open sourced the mod.Dalauz said:
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
Definitely agree with what the Blizzard guy said. The move confused me as well and the title no doubt should be available to the community that spawned it.
dollartaco
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To paraphrase Tim Shafer paraphrasing Beyonce, "Shoulda put a ring on it."
I still don't get why people are saying that Blizzard should've just tried to get the DOTA team themselves or get the rights to it. It's a little showpiece sideproject to show off the SC2 editor. Since they've only shipped WoL a few months ago, they only now have time for some small side projects. It doesn't make sense to actually hire new people for something like that. And without getting Icefrog or any other people involved with the original DOTA it doesn't make sense for Blizzard to try and make a claim to the DOTA trademark in the past years.
However, if Valve does go forward with their claim on the trademark and gets it, they are in fact under an obligation to ask Blizzard not use the DOTA name. Otherwise the name would lose its uniquely identifying quality and become generic and Valve wouldn't be able to claim the trademark anymore. Blizzard is probably better off just going with another silly pun name in that case, like the other mods they announced (i.e. left2die, Aiur Chef, starjewled).
However, if Valve does go forward with their claim on the trademark and gets it, they are in fact under an obligation to ask Blizzard not use the DOTA name. Otherwise the name would lose its uniquely identifying quality and become generic and Valve wouldn't be able to claim the trademark anymore. Blizzard is probably better off just going with another silly pun name in that case, like the other mods they announced (i.e. left2die, Aiur Chef, starjewled).
That's a 20/20 hind sight fix really. There was no danger or need to do it for years, and trademarking something community probably seemed inappropriate tot hem anyway. Also, using an acronym/sub genre as a new game name is possible, but probably seemed unlikely to them. No one has trade marked MMORPG, RPG, RTS.notworksafe said:
The next question is how long they knew about "DOTA 2" and if they had enough time to send in a request themselves. It'd be a good assuption that an official game name from a large quality dev team would get trademarked.
Warcraft 3 + the Add on is 35$ right now. You cant play the original DotA without buying a still 35$ game.Dalauz said:
Valve hired the guy and registered the name. So that DotA 2 will cost 15$ with steamwork and the steam cloud. Blizzard wanted the Dota player to go buy SC2 for Dota.
I'm not a RTS guy. I played some mission of Warcraft III and then gone on Custom matches and got my fun from this.
Now Dota players have a real Dota sequel with alot of tools.
DonasaurusRex
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ahoyhoy said:
...what are they asking for?
FieryBalrog
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That would be pretty ridiculous considering what they're (not) including in DotA 2.Archie said:
notworksafe
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Black Box: DotA 2, HL2:E3, Portal 2 -- $50
I wish 
I dont see how Valve or Icrefrog can lay claim to the name to trademark it to begin with. Maybe if he was the creator, but he is so far removed from the original creator. No denying he had a large impact on the mod, but a lot of others can say the same thing.
The whole thing seems like a headache trying to figure out which person has the rights to claim a trademark. Im kind of surprised Valve would want to deal with the possible headaches. It seems it would be cheaper to come up with a new name and then spread the word Icefrog is making the spiritual sequel to his version of the mod, rather than throw who knows how much money at lawyers and potential lawsuits.
The whole thing seems like a headache trying to figure out which person has the rights to claim a trademark. Im kind of surprised Valve would want to deal with the possible headaches. It seems it would be cheaper to come up with a new name and then spread the word Icefrog is making the spiritual sequel to his version of the mod, rather than throw who knows how much money at lawyers and potential lawsuits.
http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/map-editor-panel-blizzard-dota/
That site has a bunch of screenshots/vids/info on SC2 DotA. There are only 12 heroes right now. I was reading some impressions at the HoN forums and it seems really basic in its current state, but if it ends up being fleshed out and polished I'd probably buy SC2 just for this mod.
That site has a bunch of screenshots/vids/info on SC2 DotA. There are only 12 heroes right now. I was reading some impressions at the HoN forums and it seems really basic in its current state, but if it ends up being fleshed out and polished I'd probably buy SC2 just for this mod.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
This is evil. Big booooo to Valve for doing this.
DOTA is a community owned game... started with Eul, then several caretakers (like Kegsta), then Guinsoo got in, then Icefrog...
Not cool, at all.
DOTA is a community owned game... started with Eul, then several caretakers (like Kegsta), then Guinsoo got in, then Icefrog...
Not cool, at all.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
_Bro said:
It's Valve trademarking - not Icefrog. Honestly, Eul isn't interested and Guinsoo is settled with Riot. But that's not the point...
this is no different than what valve did with team fortress or counter-strike or day of defeat or alien swarm. the only change is that the original game creators had already left the mod to someone else, in order to work on their own retail versions of Dota.
jim-jam bongs
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duckroll said:
what happened to you man you used to be cool
Vigilant Walrus
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Hmm. bad situation. PCs two flagship companies shouldnt fight like this
its like mom and dad having a bad fight, and we're the little kid getting fucked in the head over it
its like mom and dad having a bad fight, and we're the little kid getting fucked in the head over it
jim-jam bongs
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ZealousD said:
The built-in community MVP features should go a long way towards making it immune.
DOTA2's community will likely be a cesspool even with the community features. Telling 5 strangers to play well for 45 minutes or suffer a humiliating defeat creates a very tense atmosphere where people are quick to lay blame on who they perceive to be the weakest link.
jim-jam bongs
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Archie said:
It depends on how they do it. There are always going to be parts of the community which suck, but the whole idea of their community system, if I understand it correctly, is to provide a kind of mentoring for new players, and to reward experienced players who demonstrate good sportsmanship and a willingness to help out. It's a pretty unexplored area really, so I don't think that it's fair to write it off just yet.
Blizzard tried something similar with the whole practice league thing in Starcraft 2, but there was no help component to it so it wasn't really all that useful anyway.
valenti said:
For laughs, how about you pick any game that you've never played before and we'll find someone who has been playing it for years to match you against.
:lol :lol :lol Val
I wanted Blizzard to hire Icefrog to make a DOTA-esque battleground since TBC release, instead of that abomination "Eye of the storm" they put out instead. Seriously, they were getting sales of the battlechest off All-stars for years.
I wanted Blizzard to hire Icefrog to make a DOTA-esque battleground since TBC release, instead of that abomination "Eye of the storm" they put out instead. Seriously, they were getting sales of the battlechest off All-stars for years.
CircleOfFire
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One thing to remember here is this:
Trademark != Copyright
The original creator of DOTA owns the copyright to what he produced, assuming it's not attributed away by licence terms or personal choice. But that's pretty much irrelevant in relation to trademarks, which have to be granted by the appropriate authorities.
Trademark != Copyright
The original creator of DOTA owns the copyright to what he produced, assuming it's not attributed away by licence terms or personal choice. But that's pretty much irrelevant in relation to trademarks, which have to be granted by the appropriate authorities.
Huge leap of logic here. If you're new, you'll be bad, and you'll get yelled at most likely. Suck it up, keep playing, learn the game, keep trying, get better, master a hero, and "stop sucking." Then you won't get flamed often.Darklord said:
His statement is antagonistic and trolling, but it's kind of true.
I'm sick of people using the excuse of a "bad community" to not play amazing games online like DotA and Halo. You can block chat, you can mute voices, you can choose to ignore the flaming. It's sad that so many people let 15 year olds calling them fags on the internet get under the skin so badly.
I'll never forget my first game in HoN. I picked Panda (one of the harder heroes to play) and bought 2 recipes for bracers because I thought they gave stats without the other components. I proceed to die to the first wave of creeps and holyshit I got flamed hardcore. I eventually quit and uninstalled the game. I didn't try another MOBA until League of Legends came out and I was able to grasp concepts in a relatively friendlier environment. I eventually started playing HoN again, watching competitive games and reading guides and now I'm alot better than when I first started (still pretty shitty, though)
Also Valenti is awesome at HoN and I'm jealous of his skillz.
Also Valenti is awesome at HoN and I'm jealous of his skillz.
Doesn't excuse the blatant trolling!
But val isn't as ragey as most other high level players in HoN so that's okay :3
But val isn't as ragey as most other high level players in HoN so that's okay :3
Once or twice isn't so bad but when it's a recurring thing it can really get annoying. Dota's gameplay is very tense and there's a high amount of emotional investment, not to mention time commitment, per game. Especially for new players trying to get the hang of a game it can be jarring to meet such hostility. In most other games, flaming is usually directed at one's own team of 10-15 players. But when it's only five to a team then you are singled out, you can feel the weight of your mistakes (since once you start feeding the likelihood of feeding harder increases). So it's understandable why most people reject it just for the community.
jim-jam bongs
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DaBuddaDa said:
Your post presupposes that being yelled at and called a fag is the best way to get better at the game, when a much more effective way is having a helpful community to teach you. And personally it doesn't get under my skin, but if I have the choice between playing a game where I'm called a "mexican jew lizard faggot" every 10 seconds and one where I'm not, which one do you think that I'll choose?
The original creator of DOTA copied other similar games before it. This genre of game existed before DOTA, it's just the one that became the most popular.
As for Blizzard, they had 10 years to hire any of the DOTA people but never showed any interest in doing so. Valve hires the guy who maintained DOTA for the longest period of time, so they want the name, and that's fine by me. Even if Valve manages to keep the trademark, I don't see them taking down SC2/WC3 DOTA so it doesn't matter.
As for Blizzard, they had 10 years to hire any of the DOTA people but never showed any interest in doing so. Valve hires the guy who maintained DOTA for the longest period of time, so they want the name, and that's fine by me. Even if Valve manages to keep the trademark, I don't see them taking down SC2/WC3 DOTA so it doesn't matter.