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Can Rainbow Six: Seige save an entire genre? (on console)
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Hyperzephyrian
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I would love to see tactical shooters return to consoles. Nobody misses them more than me. I'm not sure that Siege is a tactical shooter per se. Even if it is, one game does not a resurrection make. But here's hoping.
I'd like to see a modern reinterpretation of games like the original Ghost Recon: a heavy focus on maneuvering and tactics, engagements at both long and short distances, the inclusion of modern suppression mechanics, etc. But that seems like a long shot.
I'd like to see a modern reinterpretation of games like the original Ghost Recon: a heavy focus on maneuvering and tactics, engagements at both long and short distances, the inclusion of modern suppression mechanics, etc. But that seems like a long shot.
Siege has a single-player campaign.
This. And the fact that Ubisoft has anything to do with it makes me quite worried about the overall quality of the game(play), but who knows it might be good.
edit: I don't believe it will be able to save the genre though.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The series died to me the moment they strayed away from the Raven Shield formula/mechanics.
RIP old school tactical shooter.
RIP old school tactical shooter.
Gemüsepizza
Member
Yeah sure. It is less than 3 months until release. They have not shown a campaign. They have not talked about a campaign. There is nothing about a campaign on their website.
The reason is simple:
a) there is no campaign or
b) the "campaign" isn't worth talking about, because it's just solo "missions" on MP maps.
They can't even implement team AI for terrorist hunt. This whole game screams low budget.
Noisepurge
Member
Well, no one bought SOCOM 4 so it's servers were quickly pulled down
And the new Ghost Recon actually looks a lot like that, a lot of options and execution free from a distance or up close. But it is very hollywood-like so realism is out the window though.
BluenoseGames
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I honestly think that this will die out really fast. I mean its launching next to Halo, Black Ops and Battlefront.
crazyrabbits
Banned
Gemüsepizza;172447508 said:
This. Everything they've shown so far is underwhelming.
Gamezone
Gold Member
Yes. It`s pretty much a mix between Counter-Strike and Call of Duty. People already enjoy those games for that experience.
Triggerhappytel
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Ha ha; holy shit that sounds awful. So they're basically selling a package equivalent to Counter-Strike: GO as a full price retail release?
Triggerhappytel
Member
Of course that'll be there... if you're happy to buy the Season Pass!
It's never even going to be alive really.
After playing the alpha/beta (whatever it was) I would not buy this unless it launched at $5. It's not a tactical shooter in any sense, it's another CoD.
PoweredByHentai
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Can you even go prone in Rainbow Six Siege?
There is no Campaign/Story mode. Just a set of missions which can only be done completely solo or in coop with other players. The same applies to Terrorist Hunt. You won't be able to command an AI squad in any of the modes.
What you will get in the full release taken directly from their forum:
"Just to clarify there are 3 main modes available in Rainbow Six Siege: Multiplayer (or PvP), Terrohunt (or PvE) and Missions:
-Multiplayer (PvP): Two teams of five CTU Operators go head-to-head in a multiplayer battle to secure the objective.
-Terrohunt (PvE): One to five CTU Operators work together to engage highly skilled enemy AI in varying operations. Players will be able to craft his or her own experience through multiple combinations and modes.
-Missions: Pre-set scenarios expose the player to the content and mechanics of the Siege and are specifically designed to be played solo as a Lone Wolf, but can also be played cooperatively with up to four friends."
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.ph...gle-Player?p=10918627&viewfull=1#post10918627
What you will get in the full release taken directly from their forum:
"Just to clarify there are 3 main modes available in Rainbow Six Siege: Multiplayer (or PvP), Terrohunt (or PvE) and Missions:
-Multiplayer (PvP): Two teams of five CTU Operators go head-to-head in a multiplayer battle to secure the objective.
-Terrohunt (PvE): One to five CTU Operators work together to engage highly skilled enemy AI in varying operations. Players will be able to craft his or her own experience through multiple combinations and modes.
-Missions: Pre-set scenarios expose the player to the content and mechanics of the Siege and are specifically designed to be played solo as a Lone Wolf, but can also be played cooperatively with up to four friends."
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.ph...gle-Player?p=10918627&viewfull=1#post10918627
MastaKilla
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Man this is not good. This is essentially how the Socom series died. Instead of sticking to their tactical genre that they were actually good at they tried to become a hybrid COD game.
This thread was supposed to give me hope
And with that, I just lost interest in this game.
TheSinkingKnight
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Vegas/Ghost Recon AW were the perfect blend of dumbed down gameplay for Ubisoft's newfound brain dead audience and the older fans.
Splinter Cell Conviction/ Blacklist/GR Future Solider was the worst blend.
Siege looks to be a pretty bad blend too.
Wish Tom Clancy never sold his name to Ubisoft. After that, they stopped giving a semblance of a fuck about realism or their old fanbase.
Splinter Cell Conviction/ Blacklist/GR Future Solider was the worst blend.
Siege looks to be a pretty bad blend too.
Wish Tom Clancy never sold his name to Ubisoft. After that, they stopped giving a semblance of a fuck about realism or their old fanbase.
DeepEnigma
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If you are talking about Raven Shield, it truly was an amazing game. Played it like crazy and made maps for the PC version.
The series has been nothing like it since.
Yeah, Rainbow Six 3 is the game I played. It was awesome. Wish they made something like that again.If you are talking about Raven Shield, it truly was an amazing game. Played it like crazy and made maps for the PC version.
The series has been nothing like it since.
DeepEnigma
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Agreed. It was one of my favorite FPS games of all time. The sound elements with headphones, gear, etc were so well balanced.
Sad they went with the arcadey formula since.
I can't believe people think this looks good, aside from the first reveal, it looks pretty bad and not that tactical or fun. I'm not even that into CS but I would rather start up CS:GO then get this game. Hope it turns out well so console people can have a cool tactical shooter to play though, I just have really low expectations.
...for a team based shooter.
I really want this to be good but I think it's going to be a huge pile. At least Vegas/2 are coming to BC for xbox one.
If the terrorist hunt is as fun as the previous entries, I'll probably pick it up a discounted price.
MastaKilla
Member
If you are talking about Raven Shield, it truly was an amazing game. Played it like crazy and made maps for the PC version.
The series has been nothing like it since.
Ahhh Ravenshield was the glory years. Too bad Lockdown came after and effectively killed the franchise since
I think a lot of us are just still going off that original reveal. That's what I was doing when I made this thread
Camp Freddie
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The problem is they want to make it a big mainstream AAA+ "CoD killer" and will not be satisfied with selling a couple of million copies to the people who want a tactical shooter.
As a result, it'll be marketed like CoD and will probably fail because it is not CoD.
I hope I'm wrong. I'm burned out on CoD/Battlefield, and I'd like to try something like Rainbow 6.
As a result, it'll be marketed like CoD and will probably fail because it is not CoD.
I hope I'm wrong. I'm burned out on CoD/Battlefield, and I'd like to try something like Rainbow 6.
Liamario
Banned
It looks like a cross between COD and a proper tactical shooter. A lot of the stuff I've seen looks like fun, but it's certainly not a hardcore game like GRAW or the older rainbow six titles. Even with R6 Vegas 2, there is a slight transition to a more cod style with the introduction of xp.
I think we'll be relying on an independent developer for a pure tactical shooter.
I think we'll be relying on an independent developer for a pure tactical shooter.
Hyperzephyrian
Banned
Well, shit.
MastaKilla
Member
This has been the oven for a while for anybody looking for a tactical console experience. These companies are all chasing the COD crowd and catering to a much simple pick up and play gameplay. But I think it's definitely worthwhile instead to reach the smaller tactical shooter market. I guess CS:Go was our best bet but instead we got a half assed effort.
Broadbandito
Member
The alpha feedback notes were a great step.
Slowing the game by 20%, removing hitmarkers, more recoil etc. I am beyond stoked for it to be honest. I'm predicting a huge amount of support for competitive play
also after e3 R6S had a 690% boost in pre orders on amazon uk
Slowing the game by 20%, removing hitmarkers, more recoil etc. I am beyond stoked for it to be honest. I'm predicting a huge amount of support for competitive play
also after e3 R6S had a 690% boost in pre orders on amazon uk
I think it's going to fit right in a dead zone of esport / twitch interest. I don't think it'll be tight enough for the CS crowd and I don't think it'll be flashy enough for the CoD crowd. If Titanfall couldn't rouse the masses, I don't think this has a chance.
MastaKilla
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well, you don't necessarily need the masses if you just cater to your audience.
MastaKilla
Member
Fuck this thread was so depressing. Sitting here on a Friday wishing I had a real Socom of Rainbow Six to play on my console.
OrlanisWorks
Banned
At least they slowed things down. I'm not sure %20 will be enough, but maybe. Have to see beta gameplay.
Actually, I think Siege is, ironically, the nail in the coffin for tactical shooters. Outside of SWAT, it was really THE CQB tactical game series. This new game is just an inddor CoD with the Rainbow Six name on it.
And by the way...and I'll keep saying this...4 months away from launch and we have seen ZERO campaign footage or screenshots, and everyone knows that the general story line is what also made the series because it really made the missions feel important.
And by the way...and I'll keep saying this...4 months away from launch and we have seen ZERO campaign footage or screenshots, and everyone knows that the general story line is what also made the series because it really made the missions feel important.
TheVisualizer
Banned
Hate to break it to you, but there is no campaign
Maybe when it comes to AAA devs making tactical shooters but indies nailed it (except for Takedown: Red Sabre).
Yeah but not even any footage of the 4 player maps that are so called "built for Lone Wolf"
MastaKilla
Member
The problem for me is that those indies don't come ever come to console
. I'm stuck playing a 12 year old PS2 game through a backdoor LAN method at this point because Sony killed all of the socom servers and nobody else thinks a tactical shooter on consoles is worthwhile. It's very strange!The problem for me is that those indies don't come ever come to console
I'm surprised honestly that none of those games haven't thought of porting to console because there is some demand there. I'd love to get IM on consoles but that'd be a while. I do think that Insurgency would be a game on console that would bring justice to tactical shooters over Siege.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Just play the closed beta on 9.24, try before you buy
MastaKilla
Member
I WISH valve did more than a half ass attempt with CS:GO, if that was more successful i bet you anything there would be a lot more PC ports.
Plays like a small mode CoD with massive hit markers imo.
From what I've played.
Hyperzephyrian
Banned
I don't know of any indie tactical shooter projects that turned out a quality finished product.
Insurgency and Verdun are some examples.
And Red Orchestra 2, Project Reality, ArmA 3. Interstellar Marines is also shaping up nicely.
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