WadiumArcadium
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If Snoke is more powerful than Luke, why is Snoke so adamant on destroying him? As far as they're aware Luke's just hiding away somewhere on his lonesome. He's not a threat. Snoke's scared of Luke.
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Can't bring myself to watch The Force Awakens more than a couple of times
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If Snoke is more powerful than Luke, why is Snoke so adamant on destroying him? As far as they're aware Luke's just hiding away somewhere on his lonesome. He's not a threat. Snoke's scared of Luke.
Bobby Roberts
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Rey turning bad is the laziest fucking thing you could do with her.
Just like Kylo turning good is the laziest thing you could do with that guy.
Granted, I'm sure there are ways to take that familiar bullshit and execute it well enough that it overcomes that tired nature. But it'd definitely be sorta disappointing, for me, to watch that be the path both those characters are led down.
Just like Kylo turning good is the laziest thing you could do with that guy.
Granted, I'm sure there are ways to take that familiar bullshit and execute it well enough that it overcomes that tired nature. But it'd definitely be sorta disappointing, for me, to watch that be the path both those characters are led down.
Fix The Scientist
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The second act has some problems, I think harrison ford gives his best performance in years but a lot of his scenes are lacking something, the entire second act feels poorly executed to me, i wonder if it was because of his injury and time away from the set.
TFA is still FAR ahead of the prequels and rogue one though.
TFA is still FAR ahead of the prequels and rogue one though.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Pretty rich coming from the guy tirelessly defending a movie full of lazy conventions and plot points.
ryutaro's mama
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No, having her follow a predictable White Hat path is the laziest thing they could do. Besides, I am not even suggesting they should or would do it. Good grief.
I simply said, taking a character that endeared themselves to audience and flipping the script on them would be a shock. That, IMO, is interesting.
Her being retconned into being a Kenobi or Skywalkers would be paint by numbers, IMO.
Gunslinger
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Yeah she's already too strong. If she turns bad then kylo will be the underdog. That way things will be interesting. But what most probably will happen is Luke will get owned by Kylo like nothing. Then Rey will step in to put kylo back in his place like last time.
Bobby Roberts
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How is it "retconning" if she was already written to be that from jump?
Her parentage was decided on before they made TFA.
You see the easy solution there is to not make it predictable right?
There are a multitude of interesting things you can do with a hero that doesn't include making them the bad guy.
My stamina aside - I'm not even so much defending the movie as I am shitting on terrible lazy arguments that read like sneezings from the CinemaSins peanut gallery
While I don't think she should take a pure light path (even Luke did not), she'd proven, as Luke did in ANH, that she stands for what is good in the galaxy (flaws and all). She's on the hero's path. Now, you can still do a LOT with that path, and it doesn't have to necessarily succumb to a cookie cutter, soulless result.
Anakin, on the other hand, gave off such a creepy ass vibe that even at age like 7 they predicted his dark future.
But her turning completely evil or flipping to the dark side defies the significance of catching the saber, for one.
The entire point of that scene was to solidify her as the hero of the trilogy. Not Luke, not Finn, not Ren, not BB-8.
That was her moment. The beginning of her journey.. her "first steps", as Ewan seductively whispered into our ears.
Inferno313
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Like?
Bobby Roberts
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People aren't actually just up & posting spoilers in here now are they?
Because that would be kinda fucked up.
Because that would be kinda fucked up.
ryutaro's mama
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It might not be soulless but it could end up being vanilla. I hope there is a bit of nuance on her journey and not just losing the next lightsaber match in order to set the table for the rubber match in 9.
I guess we will see.
Only a prequel apologist believes in absolutes.
Gunslinger
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Is there even any leaks out there for TLJ? I thought Disney was good at keeping secrets.
Bobby Roberts
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ryutaro's mama
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I haven't been following at all. Did the script actually leak? If not, it's prolly just someone fucking around.
Everything we've seen and read from RJ tells us the opposite. That it WON'T be a "vanilla" approach. That there will be big risks taken.
And flipping sides is the easiest way to provide a cheap twist, but comes across as shallow and disappointing, after the narrative established in TFA, IMO.
I'm calling YOU out, Carol from TWD.
Bobby Roberts
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Script didn't leak for TFA either but that didn't stop legitimate spoilers from getting out over a year in advance.
ryutaro's mama
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I got spoiled on Han's death. Shit wasn't even in spoiler tags
ryutaro's mama
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Interesting.
I called Han's death back when we thought the movie was gonna have a different name.
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=110420671
Granted, I didn't call the new baddie as their kid but still. :O
WadiumArcadium
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Harrison was only ever going to do one more. I'd have put a grand on Han dying in TFA.
elrechazado
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Those aren't the only two choices here...
Snoke can only want like dead because smoke is not as powerful as Luke? Logic 101
Excactly, i've given up arguing this.
WadiumArcadium
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Snoke explicitly says in TFA if the Resistance find Luke and get him back on side, 'the new Jedi will rise'. He doesn't want that to happen. He's scared of him.
Interesting predictions. Now it's time for you to mark a post NOW and see how it turns out
Yes, but most as much as TFA. We knew almost the entire plot of TFA like a year in advance minus Starkiller Base (we knew what happened there but we didn't know exactly the weapon was).
ryutaro's mama
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Ok fine.
We will all be tearful at the end of 8 cause of Carrie.
Well
That was more of a downer than I expected
But probably true
When you fancy that girl in your class but don't want anyone to know
Gunslinger
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My whole point is how come she is too strong without any training. I don't get that.
ryutaro's mama
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WadiumArcadium
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Gunslinger
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Give him a credit he went though a lot of work for that. But I still wonder why is Rey so strong with out proper training.
Sorry. Not my intention.
ryutaro's next prediction:
Rey delves deep into a depression and won't come out of her room
But really.. do you think Rey is turning? And if so you must also predict Kylo's inevitable flip?
ryutaro's mama
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No I don't think she is turning...I just posited what I thought could be a shocking revelation.
Real prediction: I could see Kylo going full Saiyan and HE is the one that offs Snoke cause he is getting in the way of his off the rails evolution.
I could also see him re-assembling the Knights Of Ren.
Ren without his father is gonna be a force (no pun intended)
A cool scenario would be Luke holding his own against said Knights and Ren but they prove to be too much.
My special, secret wish is Rey constructs a twin bladed saber to mirror her staff and in doing so, stakes her claim.
Correct me if I'm wrong here but.. I don't remember hearing about the knights being disassembled?
I'm down with a double saber. Would make sense for her character
ryutaro's mama
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I'm speculating that since they were there in the flashback, they are still out there somewhere.
But who knows?
Basketball
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barely could watch it once
DroneBrother
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You need to give it a little breathing space, a couple of years maybe and then return?
No doubt will be much easier when SW8 is out
No doubt will be much easier when SW8 is out
I always assumed they were out doing other shit, yeah.
ryutaro's mama
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I think it would be interesting to have one character lose the master trying to teach her the ways of the Force (and as a result takes those teachings forward and forges new splinter of the Jedi, ala Lutheran to Christians) vs. the other feels that their master has nothing to teach them and kills them, starting his own misguided "religion".
Yeah, I see it going in this direction. Kinda similar to Plap and his master.
Would be incredible to finally see something like this play out on screen
WadiumArcadium
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I think they're still active because Snoke referred to Kylo as their master in his first scene.
My theory is they became Snoke's Praetorian guard.
The Librarian
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This is incorrect as far as I'm aware. What's your source on this?
ryutaro's mama
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Yeah, that was my first thought when I heard the title. Luke is the Last Jedi and Rey is the first <new>.
It makes sense in my mind that Ren would, in parallel, head down a twisted version of Rey's transition.
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