I like the old movies. Consider them classics. Have seen many many times. Force Awakens was not good at all. A real piece of shit.
Dumpster fire post.
Seriously. You might not care for it, but it's not a shit film. At all.
I like the old movies. Consider them classics. Have seen many many times. Force Awakens was not good at all. A real piece of shit.
I feel like this could've been added to the plethora of other TFA blows/Prequel humping threads. I swear this is a weekly thing on here.
George go back to your R and RI don't think that an adult's disinterest in watching a modern children's film multiple times is a damning knock on the film.
Even Empire, for all the talk of it being dark, is a fairly light-hearted children's movie. But when you see something as a kid, everything is magnified.
Rogue One was more of an adult movie, and I found it to be utterly dull. I don't think the Star Wars IP is well suited for grown folk matters.
I think you touch on exactly why it's a bit disposable: they aren't breaking any new ground. But there's more...
As bad as the prequels are, you could at least get into the new alien species, new locations, new Sith Lords, etc. Trying to understand everything's place in the greater lore was interesting because it was all being helmed by the original auteur. Looks at the new pod vehicles! Look at the new robots! What the hell kind of alien is that? Look at the new force abilities we're being shown!
There's really no new ground in TFW; as you pointed out, retreads are abound.
People don't realize how difficult it is to take a shot in the dark and just make people believe this new alien race exists because you say so. That takes creativity, vision, conviction, and imagination. I don't really think anyone at the head of the franchise is trying to keep the lore growing in any kind of interesting way -- certainly not Rick Berman or Kathleen Kennedy. It's nobody's job to care about Star Wars at that level anymore.
It's the trade we got when Lucas bowed out; we got a Star Wars themed modern movie with all the trappings that entails -- political discussions about "mary sues" and cast diversity, depressingly forced cameos, dumb plots that make no sense, and shit-tons of CG. We also got a more earthy and realistic feel, because they figured fan-service was marketable, and we got better pacing because there was accountability were there used to be an all-powerful turbo nerd at the helm. But most of all, we got an utterly forgettable and shallow experience, which is Hollywood's speciality, and always has been, save for the work of the type of auteur that, for all his faults, Lucas was.
Edit: This all said, TFW is better as a standalone movie than the prequels. Can't get with you there. I never want to watch the prequels again unless it's bad movie night and I'm with some stoned friends.
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I don't think that an adult's disinterest in watching a modern children's film multiple times is a damning knock on the film.
Even Empire, for all the talk of it being dark, is a fairly light-hearted children's movie. But when you see something as a kid, everything is magnified.
Rogue One was more of an adult movie, and I found it to be utterly dull. I don't think the Star Wars IP is well suited for grown folk matters.
Do you disagree? Hard to get much out of a 1 word shitpost.
I don't think that an adult's disinterest in watching a modern children's film multiple times is a damning knock on the film.
Even Empire, for all the talk of it being dark, is a fairly light-hearted children's movie. But when you see something as a kid, everything is magnified.
Rogue One was more of an adult movie, and I found it to be utterly dull. I don't think the Star Wars IP is well suited for grown folk matters.
I mean, if you're just gonna make the same stupid argument that I already say in my post is a stupid argument, why post in the first place? It's kinda redundant.
TFA < rogue 1, and i liked rouge 1
the latter was a cool war movie, the former made me give a shit about SW characters...which i'd not done since a kid in the 80s
also don't watch movies that many times bruh
TFA < rogue 1, and i liked rouge 1
the latter was a cool war movie, the former made me give a shit about SW characters...which i'd not done since a kid in the 80s
also don't watch movies that many times bruh
For me it's a love/hate relationship. I like watching the movie, I really do.
But I can't excuse that it's mostly a rehash of what's in the old trilogy, with huge inconsistencies, shallow characters and a total lack of background for people who don't read the books/comics.
But still, there's a little something that I find attracting. It's a dark star wars movie, and I find it original.
Just coz you say its stupid doesn't make it stupid. If you're watching a film more than once there has to be something that brings you back to the table. For star wars fans that is the universe and lore. Something the prequels has tonnes of.
Dumpster fire post.
Seriously. You might not care for it, but it's not a shit film. At all.
But let's not pretend that originality in itself is an indicator of quality.
I mean, if you're just gonna make the same stupid argument that I already say in my post is a stupid argument, why post in the first place? It's kinda redundant.
I like to use the Millennium Falcon chase scene as a modern day example to show off surround sound since it's a very active mix that has a lot of transitions from front to rear and rear to front. So the movie gets a lot of play for me.
That's also insane. Who the hell has time to watch any one movie more than 10 times in a year?Exaggerated ofcourse real numbers are more like 20.
But it is at least an indicator of quality.
Why is it a stupid argument? Expecting a new entry, not labeled as a remake, in a franchise to have new plot points seems reasonable.
TFA was the final nail in the coffin of my interest in Star Wars.
No, it's a pretty stupid argument because at the end of the day you're still watching a shitty movie, which is what people are admitting to when they say "at least it was original". If you're idea of "something that brings you back" is seeing the same universe and lore over and over again packaged in a shitty movie, more power to you. But let's not pretend that originality in itself is an indicator of quality.
This feels extremely hyperbolic.
TFA is still the best Star Wars film.
I do think it's effective in what it's ultimate goal was but you're 100% correct when you say that you can get everything you're ever going to get from it after one viewing. If VIII doesn't take more creative risks then I think you'll see a lot more critics respond to it coldly. Star Wars required a safe and well executed return to form after the prequel disaster and VII was that to a tee.
I'm actually surprised to learn that any number of people like the prequels better. Those where insanely bad movies. The almost take on a self parody quality.
Two years later people ITT still parroting the "at least the prequels were original" thing as if a)they didn't hamfist as many things as humanly possible arbitrarily to relate to the originals and b)that they still weren't dumpster fire films.
It's not stupid. The prequels don't bored me like TFA after the first act. I don't watch them like the OP, but still point stands if I want a star was buzz I'll dip into any of the other films. TFA just doesn't have it. It's so packed with fan services and recycled bits from the other movies without adding much of anything of its own, apart from its other many flaws, that it just a bored fest for me after Kylo takes off his helmet and Ren leaves Jakko. If you're into that more power to ya.
interesting because force awakens is self parody literally. or self copying. its the exact same movie basically.
I mean, ok. You're in the minority with that but ok.
It's still not what the argument was about.
I dont know what everyone was expecting. It's a Hollywood blockbuster by gg abrams
Yup, it's Star Wars distilled down to what makes Star Wars so great.I don't have this problem. One big reason is the Star Warsness of it feels so right. The musical cues that punctuate little moments and support the editing. The tone and pace of the humor. The gorgeous lightsabers and lasers. The quirky background activity, with the clunky robots and weird aliens and intriguing architecture.
It all just works. It feels like Star Wars in all the ways the prequels didn't.
I don't have this problem. One big reason is the Star Warsness of it feels so right. The musical cues that punctuate little moments and support the editing. The tone and pace of the humor. The gorgeous lightsabers and lasers. The quirky background activity, with the clunky robots and weird aliens and intriguing architecture.
It all just works. It feels like Star Wars in all the ways the prequels didn't.
I enjoyed it the first time I watched it and even at the of it I was critical of it. But I watched it again recently and it wasn't really that exciting as I remembered it.
I just hated how most of the original characters didn't grow past their original traits from OT. Leia is still leading a resistance, Han and Chewy are still just flying around in space doing their own thing, hell I think Luke regressed from his character in the OT because instead of trying to seek Ben out and saving him from the dark side, he just went into exile. In the OT, Luke was very adamant about saving his friends from Darth Vader, so why wouldn't he go out his way to save the "soul" of his nephew?
I think Kylo shouldn't have been Leia and Han's son, he should have been a young officer that admired Darth Vader and went mad when he found out Darth Vader will killed. Then he spent the next 30 years studying the Sith, rebuilding the empire and took revenge on Luke's Jedi Order. Horribly wounding Luke, so he had to escape and sit in exile. Remove Snoke. Let this new Kylo be the leader with 2 or 3 commanders he trained in the ways of the Sith. Think of similar to the Knights of the Round. They would have minor Sith powers. Nothing on par as Darth Vader, the Emperor or even the new Kylo.
I think Han should have been the leader of the Resistance, but when he meets Finn and Rey he starts itching for the old days then decides to join them on their quest and brings Chewy along. A new character should have been created to step in the leadership role and be advised by Leia, so that character starts being more prominent in later movies, pretty much Leia passing on the torch sort of thing. Leia wouldn't have been a part of the resistance, but one of the senators that helped enact it because they didn't want another Army of the Republic.
Ben should have been Poe's character, pretty much change Poe's name into Ben, and instead of being separated from Finn, they both should have found Rey and that's how they meet Han and come across the Resistance. Then write-out the Kylo Ben character.
Now I could go on and on, but I know I'm stepping into fan fiction territory. I just wanted to give an idea of how the movie could have been better without keeping our characters in non-development stasis for 30 years and how not to be a complete rehash of ANH.
Something being new doesn't mean it's good.
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Yup, it's Star Wars distilled down to what makes Star Wars so great.