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If the PS4/Vita got physical version of Cave Story today, people would be excited.
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Cave Story + (Switch) review thread
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If the PS4/Vita got physical version of Cave Story today, people would be excited.
Com Truise
Member
It would be an optional accessory? So who gives a fuck about the point of the standard joycons.
I'm just rolling my thumb around on a normal dpad, no lifting and travel needs to happen. The buttons being small makes the issue even worse because the distance between buttons is now bigger.
This is so fucking bizarre, why do you guys defend face buttons as a proper control method.
D.Lo
Member
Because it 'fucking' works perfectly with no downside for everything except fighting games?
I've played though Wonder Boy, Kamiko, Blaster Master Zero, Metal Slug, all on the joycon directional buttons and not for a second did it ever feel bad or any worse than a dpad. Essentially with both you rest your thumb over the middle and 'lean' to the sides to hit a direction.
For fighters, it is not very good. Rolling between the buttons to do special moves without the plastic bridge between them is worse.
It's crazy. Those 4 buttons will never, ever be as good as a proper dpad.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Of course, but they probably wouldn't get seven page review threads.
Or heck, maybe they would.
balladofwindfishes
Member
This game is a lot harder than I remember...
Starfish Hero
Member
Why do stand alone joycon have to conform to that design philosophy?
It isn't crazy at all. I prefer a dpad but why can't people fathom someone preferring the 4 buttons? It works well enough for most games.
Just my 2c, but the DS4 has literally the worst dpad ever.
Anywho, I need to pick this up. I'll literally buy anything in my steam library on Switch, just because it's portable and an awesome place to play games.
They're a perfectly acceptable compromise for what the joycons are meant to be.
DigitalScrap
Member
Very true. With the exception of fighting games, it's worked for me absolutely perfectly. I never even think about the fact that it isn't a "proper" dpad when playing games.
For now though, I'm only playing fighting games using the pro controller.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I don't think I have ever went "ARGH, the joycons D-pad made me unable to do this thing."
It's just a goddamn D-pad.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Well... it wasn't so long ago that the 360 d-pad kinda clarified why a shitty d-pad is so problematic. I get the disdain for the joycon setup.
Correct. I've enjoyed using the buttons except when I try to play a fighting game. That's the only time it clearly doesn't cut it and I'm pretty sensitive to shitty controllers.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Not really the same though. The 360 D-pad made it really easy to ghost inputs that you didn't intend. I have no problems with the joycons dpad in that regard, if anything the setup makes it harder to do that.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I'm just saying that I can sympathize with those who aren't keen on the compromise here. D-pads are important.
The Hermit
Member
As someone who thinks the lack of a proper d-pad is a complete travesty... Honestly, the directional buttons are just fine for this game in particular. I got a Switch today and was surprised of how well they work with this game, and I mean there aren't any diagonal inputs here so it's a non-issue.
Anything but CS+ basically, that's a pretty bad remixed soundtrack. Remastered is by the OG Super Meat Boy composer, Famitracks is exclusive to this version and is supposed to be a faithful NES rendition of the soundtrack, and the other is the original (forgot what it's called in-game).
For a first playthtough I recommend the original but you can't go wrong with any of those three.
Anything but CS+ basically, that's a pretty bad remixed soundtrack. Remastered is by the OG Super Meat Boy composer, Famitracks is exclusive to this version and is supposed to be a faithful NES rendition of the soundtrack, and the other is the original (forgot what it's called in-game).
For a first playthtough I recommend the original but you can't go wrong with any of those three.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
It's more that it's weirdly hyperbolic? People have preferences and I get that, but some people here makes it sound like it's the worsy thing ever.
Hell, there's a guy in here claiming that it's terrible to play platformers on keyboards and I played games like super meat boy and dustforce perfectly fine on it. As long as the input can be communicated clearly, latency is not a problem and the layout allows you to move smoothly and swiftly I don't see the problem.
Hell, there's a guy in here claiming that it's terrible to play platformers on keyboards and I played games like super meat boy and dustforce perfectly fine on it. As long as the input can be communicated clearly, latency is not a problem and the layout allows you to move smoothly and swiftly I don't see the problem.
A shitty d-pad can result in wrong inputs. 4 separate buttons are less comfortable than a d-pad and make it difficult to do diagonals, but at least they won't mess you up in the game you're playing.
But those would straight up suck for 3d games. This is why the switch didn't launch with something like that. It would be a cool option to have later, but BotW on that would be garbage.
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
Agreed. I don't get the discussion here. What a thing to complain about, and I grew up with a NES d-pad in my hands. The button d pad is objectively 'just fine'.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Best Ending Spoiler:
Does anyone know if I'm still able to get the best ending if I talked to booster but refused to take the 0.8 item?
I think it's objectively bad if there are genres that you can't really play with it. Genres that are supposed to benefit from d-pads, no less.
D.Lo
Member
People just dislike adapting or changing. Anything that isn't what they're used to must be garbage.
There is an objective physical argument against segmentation of a d-pad - in games designed around rolling from one direction to another having the centre be the same height piece of plastic will assist. But that complaint applies to all Sony d-pads as well, Sony have mostly engineered around their (completely unnecessarily segmented d-pad) problem now by reducing the space between the four segments, but PS1-PS3 were crap. Yet because of ubiquity there were less complaints.
And Sony didn't have a reason for compromise either, whereas it is obvious what is the clear advantage of the joycons being the way they are.
'Can't really play' is purely subjective...
You can literally do every move in Street Fighter or Garou on the joycon direction buttons with 100% accuracy every time. It is not the most comfortable way to play ever, but it does not 'not work' like you imply.
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
I find this image hilarious. The 10 people who would actually buy a D-Pad Joycon are the ones posting in this thread/on NeoGAF.
That thing only appeals to select gamers who have been already playing Nintendo for 30+ years. For everyone else, they grew up using an Analog stick for all their games, 2D games included. That's the most niche accessory of all time. The only people passionaiate about D-pads on controllers are old(er) gaming enthusiasts.
Any game that "needs" a D-pad will be solved when the arcade sticks start to release. I've had no issues with the button pad for cave story.
I find this image hilarious. The 10 people who would actually buy a D-Pad Joycon are the ones posting in this thread/on NeoGAF.
That thing only appeals to select gamers who have been already playing Nintendo for 30+ years. For everyone else, they grew up using an Analog stick for all their games, 2D games included. That's the most niche accessory of all time. The only people passionaiate about D-pads on controllers are old(er) gaming enthusiasts.
Sheriff_Battlesnake
Banned
Can't wait to buy this for the 4th time.
I think this is my most replayed game along with Chrono Trigger & Undertale.
I think this is my most replayed game along with Chrono Trigger & Undertale.
Mbolibombo
Member
And that's a great thing-
Switch's entire point is that it's a hybrid console, this only works if you use it as a home console (I never plan on docking mine).
So if I can do all moves in a fighting game (this is not a great metric) with a dance pad, is a dance pad "objectively an okay" way to play fighting games? I disagree.
I don't get why people are so defensive - we all know why the d-pad is actually four buttons and I think it was a good decision, and necessary for the concept they had in mind. But to say four buttons is not a downgrade from a d-pad is beyond silly. I see my performance in Street Fighter and KOF varying when I use different controllers with different d-pads, that's not a non-issue.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Cool thought I had to start over thanks.
goldenpp72
Member
I play Puyo/Tetris just fine on it, with no loss of precision. They are annoying for Street Fighter but for any other genre, I've not had an issue yet.
Yeah Street Fighter can get rough. Especially as a Ryu player. Every other game has been fine so far as well. Glad to hear Puyo is ok to as I want to get that at some point.
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
There's a demo for Puyo... it's really beefy.
BassForever
Member
Played most of the game with joycon split d pad
No problems whatsoever
No problems whatsoever
Same. Played through Specter of Torment with it too and didn't feel like I was getting a lesser experience.
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
You don't even shoot diagonal in this game... why is this a discussion?
panama chief
Member
If you give people something to complain about, they will. It is the nature of us.
I didn't realize, thanks! Probably check it out tonight.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Jesus, the Booster 2.0 final cave is crazy hard. Last time I played this years ago, I only had 0.8, so the cave was easier.
I think I rely too much on the level 3 machine gun hover ability to do good jumps.
I think I rely too much on the level 3 machine gun hover ability to do good jumps.
panama chief
Member
Finally beat the game and got what I assume is the regular(bad) ending:
The only thing unlocked was the
and that was way before I beat the game. Going for that second playthrough now.
Also, Pokken Pad beats Joycons, pro controller, and even the 8bitdo SNES controllers by a long shot.
Carly died, booster 0.8, island falls.
The only thing unlocked was the
Sand Pit
Also, Pokken Pad beats Joycons, pro controller, and even the 8bitdo SNES controllers by a long shot.
panama chief
Member
Can you get there on Normal? Hard mode isn't destroying me yet but I imagine 3 hearts is going to have me pulling hairs once I hit Sand Zone.
Yep, playing on Normal right now.
panama chief
Member
Cool. Thanks.
balladofwindfishes
Member
I literally cannot beat this final cave. There's just too many lava slimes placed around pretty awkward jumps.
Don't really know what to even do. I feel like I'm stuck in front of a wall.
Don't really know what to even do. I feel like I'm stuck in front of a wall.