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[deadmuffin]

all of them, and all of everyone...paedophiles are just wrong

 

[timmytheman123]

Why homosexuality then? Why not compare it to uncontrollable heterosexual desires? Or why not compare it to another actual disorder.

Comparing a desire to have sex with someone of the same sex with the desire to rape a child is ridiculous... And I'm not even arguing in favor of demonizing thoughts.

OH MY GOD where did I compare the two that way? what exactly are you reading to interpret it that way. Give me the quote! The damn comparison was to show biological factors which are not under one's control. If you feel offended that I picked homosexuality then just replace it with any other factor of your choosing. Once again the comparison was never about desires someone else wrongly quoted me as saying that when I indeed did not.

 

[maharg]

What's frightening is how easily accusations of pedophilia get lobbed around in our society. Like they're around every damn corner.

 

[Nobody Important]

So you're basically arguing that pedophilia is a sexual orientation.

If that's the case, is zoophilia and necrophilia sexual orientations, too? How about grandmaphilia?

If you're going to discount pedophilia as a sexual orientation, then you also have to discount homosexuality/bisexuality. Also, I don't believe the definition of zoophilia and other forms of paraphilia, etc, include (but not require) a sexual attraction to such objects, like homosexuality and pedophilia do. With that said, for various reasons, I actually believe that bi- and homosexuality along with pedophilia is a mental illness and think no less of individuals plagued by them than those who suffer from schizophrenia or depression.

But those groups can actually have sex without breaking the law. Shy/fat/ugly people can have sex with other shy/fat/ugly people. The same can't be said of pedophiles, there's always the danger that they'll act on the urge to have sex. Not ever having sex isn't really all that natural.

I don't think being exclusively attracted to children is all that common, in the context of this subject. How successful that are in engaging in more healthier sexual activities/relationships is another matter, but I don't think acting upon their desire with children is their only viable option for "satisfaction."

Why homosexuality then? Why not compare it to uncontrollable heterosexual desires? Or why not compare it to another actual disorder.

Comparing a desire to have sex with someone of the same sex with the desire to rape a child is ridiculous... And I'm not even arguing in favor of demonizing thoughts.

Its already been said numerous times, in numerous ways. Pedophilia isn't some uncontrollable urge to masturbate on to random kids as they try to flee while at the bus stop. While it maybe a constant thought for many to engage in certain acts, not every pedophile is a pederast and a rapist. It can be a manageable disorder without overlooking the actual child-rapists and predators in the say way heterosexuality is manageable, while still acknowledging the adult rapists and predators.

Homosexuals don't desire to irreparably harm others sexually, so why the insistence that pedophilia and homosexuality are somehow related?

I'm sure pedophiles don't believe that they are harming their victims and those that do, you could probably classify as a rapists moreso then pedophile. Another thing to note is that a lot of damage to their victims doesn't actually come from their abuse but rather from the reactions of others.

Negative social reactions to disclosure have actually been found to be harmful to the survivor’s well being.[94] One study reported that children who received a bad reaction from the first person they told, especially if the person was a close family member, had worse scores as adults on general trauma symptoms, post traumatic stress disorder symptoms, and dissociation.

 

[Ferrio]

What's frightening is how easily accusations of pedophilia get lobbed around in our society. Like they're around every damn corner.

Pedophiles are around every corner? It's worse than I thought!

 

[BertramCooper]

And the thread has taken yet another interesting turn.

With that said, for various reasons, I actually believe that bi- and homosexuality along with pedophilia is a mental illness and think no less of individuals plagued by them than those who suffer from schizophrenia or depression.

 

[Kowak]

All my Bullshit

I actually believe that bigoted views are a mental illness and think much less of individuals plagued by them and that they should be purged.

 

[Y2Kev]

What kind of jackass are you, OP?

Being a pedophile = being a bad person? gtfo

Has been said sooo many times, but: Pedophiles dont choose to be pedophile, they are what they are. And a pedophile is NOT someone who has sex with children. A pedophile is someone that finds children attractive. That´s all. Someone who actually fucks a child is a criminal, a molester, pedophile or not. And criminals and molesters are bad persons. Pedophiles are not.

You´d think at least on a board with that many non-heterosexuals, people would hesitate to hate on someone that has a different sexual attraction.

huh?

 

[J-Rod]

Fuck pedos and fuck people that equate pedophilia to homosexuality. Everyone has bad thoughts from time to time, but wanting to kill someone because they pissed you off is different than wanting to kill completely innocent people because you just happen to like/dislike their face. That is more comparable with the thoughts of a pedo, and both are screwed up in the head in mine and hopefully many others' opinion. Being attracted to only a particular gender or genders which acting upon would harm no person is a far stretch from being attracted to physically, mentally, emotionally, and sexually underdeveloped people which acting upon is always harmful.

The fact that your first and natural inclination is to do something bad to another innocent human being to seek pleasure, and your resisting that urge being secondary and unnatural and not pleasurable is what screwed up and backwards is is in my book.

We could get into a philosophical argument over what is 'good' and 'bad', but hopefully having sex with children fits into most people's 'bad' scale, always, no matter how they define it personally.

 

[timmytheman123]

Fuck pedos and fuck people that equate pedophilia to homosexuality. Everyone has bad thoughts from time to time, but wanting to kill someone because they pissed you off is different than wanting to kill completely innocent people because you just happen to like/dislike their face. That is more comparable with the thoughts of a pedo, and both are screwed up in the head in mine and hopefully many other's opinion. Being attracted to only a particular gender or genders which acting upon would harm no person is a far stretch from being attracted to physically, mentally, emotionally, and sexually underdeveloped people which acting upon is always harmful.

Oh I am sorry I could not read through all the BS that was just posted. Huge double standard on Gaf with shit like this being acceptable. And once again the only comparison made between homosexuality and pedophilia was that there was no choice.

 

[eznark]

huh?

smoooooove

 

[Kowak]

huh?

i preferred the backseat modding

 

[Lard]

I didn't say he was, I only said there was a case to be made that he could be. BTW, how do you know he's not, you don't know what his personal life is like.

For someone with the username of Slit, you're awfully concerned about other people's sexual preferences.

Also is the Gaf Pedo Defense Force the same as the Gaf Incest Defense Force?

 

[Big One]

I agree with the dude with the Charmeleon avatar in his first post, but I don't really feel like pedophilia is a sexual orientation. However I feel in general that all lustful needs stem from our experiences and genetic instincts, so to me pretty much all philias or orientations are on an equal level. Someone being a pedophile is as much as a problem as someone being a heterosexual, a necrophiliac, or someone who enjoys masturbating to feet: While three different things, they all stem from the same emotion that was developed over time that wasn't under their control or was unknowingly under their control. Feelings are never a problem and I think a lot of conflicting opinions could be resolved in this world if people understood that.

 

[Osietra]

This thread reminds me of this article

http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-has-nakedlady-fetish,498/

'School bully not so tough since being molested'

 

[slit]

For someone with the username of Slit, you're awfully concerned about other people's sexual preferences.

Where the fuck did I say I was interested in his sexual preferences? The thread is about celebrities who you hope are not pedos, I used him as an example, end of story. It doesn't mean he's jacking off to kiddy porn right at this moment, it doesn't mean he has 12 year old sex slaves locked in his basement. He simply was accused by the law of possessing kiddy porn, thats all.

 

[Lard]

Where the fuck did I say I was interested in his sexual preferences? The thread is about celebrities who you hope are not pedos, I used him as an example, end of story. It doesn't mean he's jacking off to kiddy porn right at this moment, it doesn't mean he has 12 year old sex slaves locked in his basement. He simply was accused by the law of possessing kiddy porn, thats all.

I didn't say he was, I only said there was a case to be made that he could be. BTW, how do you know he's not, you don't know what his personal life is like.

The End

 

[Epcott]

I´m heterosexual. If I wanted to teach women, would you say "but letting known heterosexuals teach women is just ridiculous"?

Pedophiles that act on their urges are rapists. And a rapist is a criminal.

:lol wut?

When you have a child (or if you have them already) I hope you hire a private unsupervised tutor for him/her whom just happens to be a pedophile. Then post your impressions here after a month.

As a great crusader of justice and equality, that shouldn't be difficult for you

 

[Nobody Important]

I actually believe that bigoted views are a mental illness and think much less of individuals plagued by them and that they should be purged.

To make sure I wasn't going to falsely accuse you of something, I looked up the word "bigot" (even though I didn't have to). I would suggest you do the same because I don't think you quite know what it means or that you are maybe looking to use a different term. Either way, "bigoted" doesn't fit.

Edit You know what, it doesn't matter whether I have homosexual family or friends. At no point did I state that I hate homosexuals or treat those individuals any different. You can think whatever you want of me and my opinion based on how little of it I have given. I have my reasons, and my actions, and both speak towards the type of person that I am, and neither lead me to believe that I behave in a bigoted manner towards homosexuals or that my personal opinion makes any difference in how I treat and interact with others. How you came to such a conclusion is beyond me.

 

[slit]

The End

No it isn't actually, exactly how does that imply I am interested in his sexual preferences? I made a statement that he could be, as in, anyone could be if you don't know them intimately.

 

[Salazar]

To make sure I wasn't going to falsely accuse you of something, I looked up the word "bigot" (even though I didn't have to). I would suggest you do the same because I don't think you quite know what it means or that you are maybe looking to use a different term. Either way, "bigoted" doesn't fit.

You wouldn't like the alternatives. Wear bigot around for a while, check it out from a few angles.

 

[Brobzoid]

Selig came strong like always, but it seems Nobody Important burst on to the scene and snagged the MVP award for this thread. Good show guys, let's close it down.

 

[Karram]

I don't think he was, but I don't want to get into it.

Same here

 

[Thai]

and now for a new thread idea: "celebrities you really hope are pedophiles"

also, can't believe there's a pedophile defence force.

 

[Nobody Important]

You wouldn't like the alternatives. Wear bigot around for a while, check it out from a few angles.

Actually, I would prefer the alternatives. They would be a more honest representation of your (and obviously others) opinion.

I understand this is the internet and logical, sensible discussions are a rarity as logical fallacies, poorly thought out arguments, and plain, good-old-fashion stupidity are not only the norm but almost expected and assumed. Its relatively easy to dismiss my opinion for a variety of reasons - just look at my user name or that other little word that comes before the word "member," just underneath it.

I don't want to further derail and already derailed thread but I didn't arrive at my opinion a whim. And just as stating that you have a black friend doesn't give on free reign to spout of racist nonsense me stating whether or not I have any homosexual friends is almost irrelevant. There is pretty much nothing at this point that I can say to change your view but the fact of the matter is my aunt and only brother are both gay. Despite what I think if their orientation, I treat them no different that before my aunt came out of the closet or before my brother went in and forgot to close the door. I give my family, my co-workers, and others no special treatment, attention, or grief in my interactions and dealings with them. And to say that I believe that Homosexuality to be a mental sexual disorder, doesn't not negate the fact that I still believe that homosexuality is natural or that some are born with the capacity to become bi- or homosexual (or a pedophile for that matter).

 

[Shaka]

Some of you are folks are fucking unreasonable. I see no Paedophile defence force. smfh

 

[JBaird]

and now for a new thread idea: "celebrities you really hope are pedophiles"

also, can't believe there's a pedophile defence force.

There are plenty of celebrities that I wish were pedophiles when I was a kid.

 

[selig]

Fuck pedos and fuck people that equate pedophilia to homosexuality.

People are equating the both in the sense of "not being able to choose what you like". You guys are pressing on one being a sickness, while saying the other one is a sexual orientation. I´m saying both are similar in the way of you being what you are, without being guilty of WHY you are the way you are.
So hating pedophiles is just as stupid as hating homosexuals. And just to make sure, because you guys are so bad at understanding this: Pedophile = someone attracted to children, criminal = someone having sex with children.

I also cant believe being called "pedophile defense force". I´m arguing against ignorance. Let me tell you, if there´s real A.I. in 10 years, and people call robophiles sick, I´ll be there to defend them.

 

[Anth0ny]

What's frightening is how easily accusations of pedophilia get lobbed around in our society. Like they're around every damn corner.

Seriously. It's fucking ridiculous. In our modern world, if you're over 18 and have anything to do with children, you're possibly a pedophile? :lol

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Nothing I've ever seen has indicated that pedophilia is a genetic trait, or something someone is born into.

It is a disorder because it has to be conditioned into the person. No case that I've ever seen has someone just become a pedophile. I've seen it claimed many times, but there was always a case of molestation or childhood rape in the persons background, completely destroying their argument of "I was born this way."

Conditioning someone to view attraction to children as just another thing, is usually a process that takes years of repeated abuse. It isn't a bad thing if your uncle has been fucking you since the age of four in other words.

So it won't be a bad thing if you find yourself with the same predilection.

Pedophiles aren't born. They are made. In a continuous cycle of depravity.

 

[Pandaman]

Here is one thing I don't understand. When you say it is not "wrong" to be a pedophile as you don't act on your sexual preference, do you consider viewing underage pornography to be "acting?"

i dont see how actual child porn can be produced without the abuse of children, so it's not that big of an issue. it's equally illegal to knowingly possess and distribute 'porn' depicting actual rape of an adult individual.

but if its just cgi or art, i dont really see a problem with it.

 

[Neo C.]

As far as I know from scientific researches, most pedophiles never harm children.

On the other hand, the majority (70% and more) of child molesters aren't only attracted to children, therefore they aren't pedos by scientific definition.

Just put things into perspective.

 

[Siebzehn50]

I actually believe that bi- and homosexuality along with pedophilia is a mental illness and think no less of individuals plagued by them than those who suffer from schizophrenia or depression.

Holy fucking shit.

1) You're a complete and total bigoted asshole

2) This Junior won't survive much longer.

 

[-COOLIO-]

this thread turned into a very interesting discussion.

well,

you cant help what you think, imo you can be attracted to anything or do flat out anything in your noggin and still be a good person. for something to be wrong, it has to be a physical action.

 

[Solid Moustache]

I'm NeoGAF's resident pedophile. I get certain benefits because of this, even better than a Gold GAF account .

 

[AkuMifune]

People are equating the both in the sense of "not being able to choose what you like". You guys are pressing on one being a sickness, while saying the other one is a sexual orientation. I´m saying both are similar in the way of you being what you are, without being guilty of WHY you are the way you are.
So hating pedophiles is just as stupid as hating homosexuals. And just to make sure, because you guys are so bad at understanding this: Pedophile = someone attracted to children, criminal = someone having sex with children.

I also cant believe being called "pedophile defense force". I´m arguing against ignorance. Let me tell you, if there´s real A.I. in 10 years, and people call robophiles sick, I´ll be there to defend them.

Being sexually attracted to adult members of the same sex is a legitimate preference.

Being sexually attracted to children is a psychological disorder.

Trying to associate the two as equal is paramount to defending pedophilia, which is not only disturbing, but hilariously moronic.

 

[-COOLIO-]

I actually believe that bi- and homosexuality along with pedophilia is a mental illness and think no less of individuals plagued by them than those who suffer from schizophrenia or depression.

i think by definition (if i remember psych 101 correctly) mental illness is a detriment to your life. most homosexuals are 100% a OK with their preference because they live with it happily. pedophilia would be an illness because there's no way sate the desire in a harmless way. It's like having the urge to kill people.

 

[eggandI]

MJ...

 

[Puddles]

I am 100% sure that the user plagiarize may or may not be a paedophile.

 

[Snuggles]

Leslie Neilsen.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

He certainly charms young Japanese girls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGulXF65-Os

that was the most uncomfortable thing I've ever seen :lol

 

[bluemax]

I don´t know what you´re trying to imply, but I simply hate it when the many are picking on the few. We helped racism to end, we helped hate against homosexuality to end, and now we have to end the hate against pedophiles. It´s yet another minority that´s being hated on by the masses of ignorant people. If there was another minority that needed defending, you can be sure that I´d be there. I´m not pro-pedo, I´m anti-ignorance.

Btw. the argument "parents are afraid of pedophiles being near there children" is kind of funny, when it´s much more likely that a heterosexual is going to kill their child, than a pedophile f******g it.

Wait did you actually equate hatred for people with a psychological disorder to oppressed people who had to fight for voting rights and legal marriages?

 

[Chuckie]

As far as I know from scientific researches, most pedophiles never harm children.

On the other hand, the majority (70% and more) of child molesters aren't only attracted to children, therefore they aren't pedos by scientific definition.

Just put things into perspective.

Yeah well if you don't 'define' 70% of the child molesters as pedo's than the scientific research about 'most pedophiles never harm children' is also pretty useless.

 

[Warren Ellis]

the main problem of a pedo is that unlike etero and homosexual people he can't express his sexuality without being a rapist. So he is potentially more dangerous.

 

[Pandaman]

the main problem of a pedo is that unlike etero and homosexual people he can't express his sexuality without being a rapist. So he is potentially more dangerous.

so you're saying that the longer someone goes without consenual sex, the more inclined that person is to rape?

interesting opinion.

 

[Big-ass Ramp]

I really can't believe the serious turn this thread has taken. I was expecting funny pictures of Michael Jackson.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

so you're saying that the longer someone goes without consenual sex, the more inclined that person is to rape?

interesting opinion.

I'm not sure how you got that.

Any form of child sex is rape. That was his point.

 

[Az]

so you're saying that the longer someone goes without consenual sex, the more inclined that person is to rape?

interesting opinion.

wtf?

 

[plagiarize]

i know there is no way of putting the worms back into the can, but I feel a lot of this paedophile 'defending' is completely missing the point.

gay or straight is a sexual preference because we recognise that those urges are not unhealthy. a mental illness doesn't have to be measurable in terms of seratonin levels in the brain or what have you.

if you have a desire to do something you know is wrong, and you wish you didn't have that desire... be it self mutilation or paedophilia... then yeah i think we can class that as a mental illness.

sure, we used to think homosexuality was a mental illness, but then our attitudes towards gay sex changes and we come to see it as a sexual preference.

our attitudes towards people having sex with 8 year olds will not change. we know for a fact that it's almost impossible for a child to come out of a sexual encounter unharmed whether they claimed to consent at the time or not.

and if you truly want to be friend of the paedophiles, then why would you want them working around children? if you had a friend that was allergic to chocolate because eating chocolate would seriously harm him, even if he'd never succumbed to that temptation before, would you think it was a good idea for him to go work at a chocolate factory.

i think it's fairly obvious that the more temptation around us, the more likely we all are to succumb to that temptation. why do rich and famous people cheat at a higher rate than ugly people?

because they have many more opportunities to do so. being aroused can be like being drunk in terms of how it effects your common sense.

so if you truly are a friend to the paedophiles, surely you'd think that keeping them away from children would be a good thing? surely if someone has an urge to do something they know is wrong, it's better for everyone involved to remove that temptation... even more so in the case of paedophiles where the person getting hurt is a child.

 

[plagiarize]

so you're saying that the longer someone goes without consenual sex, the more inclined that person is to rape?

interesting opinion.

i think it's more a case of...

if you want to rape someone but know it's wrong, and you have every opportunity to rape someone (say you work in a hospital on the night shift in the coma ward), that the longer you surpress that desire and continue to spend a long time in an environment where temptation is high then the more likely you are to give in to that tempation..

so the longer you are in that kind of situation the more likely you are to actually rape someone yes.

paedophiles want to abuse children. they might never do it because they understand the damaged they'd do to a child if they went through with it, but they all want to abuse children.

we have different rules (if not laws in some cases) for adult relationships where there is an authority figure. be it a boss or a teacher of children of age of consent. there are rules and sometimes laws saying what can and can't be done because we recognise that as a very different situation to two adults meeting in a bar.

in any adult/child relationship there is the same thing. it makes children easier prey unfortunately... and the easier something is to do the higher the temptation.

the more children a paedophile is friendly with and the closer a paedophile gets to a child, the higher the temptation gets.

that's why it's better for children and for paedophiles to keep the two apart.