What shows match the production quality of Planet of the Apes?
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Christopher Nolan criticizes Netflix's digital distribution model for movies
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What shows match the production quality of Planet of the Apes?
I don't think there are but I'm not talking just big budget spectacle.
Mushroomer25
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I pay for Amazon Prime. I don't expect every Amazon Studios release to be made free for me on day one. I pay for HBO - they fund plenty of documentaries that get theatrical runs before showing up on HBO GO.
I pay enough for Netflix. I'd pay more to see their movies in theaters - especially if it meant having them funding bigger & better films.
Ploid 3.0
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The problem is that Netflix doesn't seem to be against things showing up in theaters, but movies being in theaters and streaming at the same time. Why should theaters have that exclusive window, especially for Netflix shows or whatever the subject is that require Netflix's input? It won't make theaters inaccessible for people that enjoy them.
Sure, people saying theaters should die are in the wrong. Though if they die out because movies launch simultaneously with streaming services then that's on them, they failed to capture an audience. People in this thread mentioned the big projectors, 3D, and other expensive technologies that theaters have, and that could be their selling point. The exclusivity is not needed, though it does help them stay as relevant without working harder I suppose. They won't die out though. If they need more money for the tech they use, they could get sponsors, and sell the social aspect like after the movie parties?
Theaters will still have their big money blockbuster exclusives anyway, so let Netflix do it's thing. It's surviving pretty well so they are doing something right.
Netflix also want simultaneous international releases for all of their original content. Doing that with theater chains involved would be a pain in the ass. A lot of big blockbusters still fail at that too.
Nah. The driving force behind this is increasing the value of their company. Silicon Valley's culture is telling you about their ideals while you fork over cash and provide them with foreign slaves to build their camera phones.
Nightwing123
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You need a big budget to look even comparable to blockbuster and with netflix Budget its going to be hard especially since a lot of their big budget stuff end up flopping like Marco Polo, Sense8, Get Down etc. I see Netflix investing more in low/medium budget titles.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
(yet -- they've been slowly creeping up their film budgets)
Nah, blockbusters and action movies are improved by theaters.
Everything else doesn't need a theatrical release.
Particle Physicist
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I had to look up Amazon produced movies and I haven't really heard of most of them. I feel like even without the wide releases Netflix still does better marketing for their movies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Studios
Of the list, I've only heard of Neon Demon due to neogaf, Manchester by the Sea, and I am not your negro due to neogaf again.
I am not sure how Amazon's way is better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Studios
Of the list, I've only heard of Neon Demon due to neogaf, Manchester by the Sea, and I am not your negro due to neogaf again.
I am not sure how Amazon's way is better.
brianjones
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amazon releases them in theaters before you can stream them.. thats the point
Manchester by the sea was a best picture nominee.. not some obscure piece you can only hear about on a gaming forum
And_Gignac
Member
I dont mind this. Only blockbusters would be affected, and I barely ever see them in the Cinema.
Real cinematic art would end up untouched by this change, imo.
Real cinematic art would end up untouched by this change, imo.
Mushroomer25
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They've collected multiple Oscar nominations, and are quickly becoming known as a distributor for great indie flicks. They're building a brand.
Depends on the flick. I think Netflix entertainment comes and goes for many and that's fine. But they don't resonate in word of mouth for long.
Something like The Big Sick (produced by Amazon) has had great legs at the cinema. Racking up more money as it went along. Feel like it wouldn't have even left a blip on Netflix given it's so reliant on a growing release.
AntraxSuicide
Banned
No it wouldn't. It's the kind of movie that, at best, would only work out on limited release in major cities. Netflix is the kind of place that movie can do well because of the boosted visibility.
foomfoom415
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That's what makes Amazon "different" from Netflix, but he was asking what makes Amazon's method "better". I'm sure it's better for a lot of people for a variety of different reasons. Unfortunately I don't think it will be enough people to save cinemas.
radios shipping overview
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You haven't heard of The Handmaiden, Chi-Raq, Wiener-Dog, or Lost City of Z? These are not obscure releases, if you follow non-blockbusters with any consistency. Cafe Society is a Woody Allen flick, ffs.
So spend more money on equipment while lowering prices... that's the plan to fend off competition that didn't exist if timed exclusivity goes away?
The medium likely isn't tenable without timed exclusivity; and if the medium doesn't exist, then films make less money.. less money spent on films, lower quality special effects, etc.
This "well things have changed so therefor companies need to adjust" doesn't always work out in the consumers favor.
In this case, what do consumers even gain if timed exclusivity goes away? Being able to watch things earlier for cheaper? Is that advantage worth putting loads of theaters out of business and thus decreasing options for consumers?
If most we'd end up with less theaters and even higher ticket prices. This whole "fix everything by spending money while lowering revenue" is sort of ludicrous.
The problem with the "theater experience" is that I have to share that experience with a bunch of strangers who may not share the same respect for that experience.
If I could pay a premium for a ticket where there were only adults, who don't use their cell phones, who don't hack and cough, leave their seats and come back 45 times during the movie, etc. I would do it.
Since that isn't an available option, I'd rather just watch at home, despite not having a projector and sound that make the "theater experience" so grand.
Netflix wins this round to me.
If I could pay a premium for a ticket where there were only adults, who don't use their cell phones, who don't hack and cough, leave their seats and come back 45 times during the movie, etc. I would do it.
Since that isn't an available option, I'd rather just watch at home, despite not having a projector and sound that make the "theater experience" so grand.
Netflix wins this round to me.
This is true. I'm not setup yet at home to shred a couple of 20s in exchange for a few dollars worth of drink and popcorn.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Is that the point though? Netflix is buying stuff of comparable scope as Manchester by the Sea without having to give them theatre streaming. Obviously I would say MbtS is a better film than any of the Netflix originals so far, having not seen Okja yet, but it's definitely not a different film in terms of its economics than the Netflix originals. Nolan correctly suggests that not having first-run revenue potential is hurting Netflix's ability to get bigger films, but Amazon also hasn't managed to get any bigger films despite negotiating a theatrical window. What really is the difference here?
I love going to the movies. The whole experience. Problem is that here in Finland it costs about 15e. Sometimes 13e. I mean, I'm pretty sure it used to be a lot less at one point when I was alive. They also pad the prices with shitty forced 3D showings. I hate 3D because it's super uncomfortable with me since I already have glasses and it dims everything, but the theaters here prioritize 3D over 2D so there are less 2D showings to choose from in the schedule. When I was reserving ticket to a 2D showing of Spider-man:homecoming the "normal 2D version" link kept redirecting to the 3D one. It's not even the first time. They really want people to buy the more expensive 3D tickets.
People subscribe to Netflix for everything they offer, not a single film. Their breadth of content attracts people.
Gordon Shumway
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the_darkness
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Agreed. Replace them all with drive ins.
That's my point. Let's say the theatrical window is 6 months. Okja is still gonna end up on Netflix forever. It's still gonna be a film to add to their catalogue. Releasing it straight to streaming makes no difference.
shadowstar
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I go to the theater a lot. Several times a month and sometimes a few times a week.
If I could pay the same price and watch at home on my 4K TV, I would always choose the home option every time.
Did these people (myself included) want to watch Wonder Woman now or want to watch Wonder Woman in a theater. There is a difference.
If I could pay the same price and watch at home on my 4K TV, I would always choose the home option every time.
Did these people (myself included) want to watch Wonder Woman now or want to watch Wonder Woman in a theater. There is a difference.
Mushroomer25
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but is Amazon even chasing higher budget projects? It seems like they're satisfied with arthouse & independent fare. I can't see Amazon bankrolling movies like Spectral, Bright, or Death Note.
Lasthope106
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I went to see Spiderman Homecoming because I was really looking forward to it and because the movie was receiving very good reviews. This past weekend I get to the theater with my girlfriend, find us a spot, and then proceed to put up with some kids behind us kicking our seats, with the mother right next to them. It got so annoying I finally turned back and told them both to stop doing that, while getting glares from the inept mother.
I enjoy the cinema experience. I have fond memories of enjoying movies that were historic in the medium with a packed audience. Those are memories I will cherish for the rest of my life. But every time I have to put up with stupidity at the theater it pushes me more to just watching stuff at home. If I'm paying $10-$15 bucks for my ticket I want as close to a perfect experience as I can get, if nothing else, then at least comparable to what I get at home.
I enjoy the cinema experience. I have fond memories of enjoying movies that were historic in the medium with a packed audience. Those are memories I will cherish for the rest of my life. But every time I have to put up with stupidity at the theater it pushes me more to just watching stuff at home. If I'm paying $10-$15 bucks for my ticket I want as close to a perfect experience as I can get, if nothing else, then at least comparable to what I get at home.
At present, no, but even Netflix didn't start out with big budget stuff right away. It's a natural progression for a streaming service to take that wants to draw in all kinds of crowds to subscribe.
I am a healthy advocate for streaming services and I think it's done some rather wonderful things for genre films in particular, but I am 100% with Nolan on it not coming close to the theater experience. I wound up knocking down my estimation of The Neon Demon a little bit from where I rated it originally simply because a home viewing experience doesn't begin to wash over you nearly as completely as it did for me in a theater.
RBelong2Us
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Two things. How is the movie as much of a spectacle just watching at home ? Which takes the experience out of it to an extent. .
Second... you wouldn't even get the same production budget if you could watch it at home first regardless. So it basically wouldn't even be the same movie anyways
Mushroomer25
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I don't think Amazon sees Amazon Studios as a value add for Prime, though. It's a separate wing of their business, one that could survive with or without those movies going to Prime.
Part of Netflix's issue is that they fund such a wide array of projects, the Netflix 'brand' is meaningless. It feels like they're picking up projects to ensure their library meets a certain quota, rather than chasing high quality content.
Netflix has more than 100 million subs at $10+/month.
Conservatively, that is $12 billion/year in gross revenue and constantly going up.
The Netflix model has a high buy-in, but every additional sub is more and more profit. It is a cyclical model where more subs -> more profit -> more spending on higher budget content -> more subs, etc.
Netflix will have a blockbuster action film. Just give it time.
It is on the theater to make sure that experience is worthwhile.
My SO shouldn't have to hope that someone tall doesn't sit in front of her.
Handicap seats shouldn't all be jammed up in the front rows.
Security should be ensuring that kids aren't running around causing trouble.
A good theater takes care of these issues by having stadium seating, good seat distribution, and a code of conduct that is enforced. Someone acts like a shit at a live theater show, they get kicked out ASAP. Movie theaters should do the same.
Discotheque
Banned
The theater experience is still great. Fuck a streaming only future
Seeing Dunkirk in IMAX 70mm tomorrow. I expect it to be flames
Seeing Dunkirk in IMAX 70mm tomorrow. I expect it to be flames
Particle Physicist
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Yes, I know. Pretty much all their other films were obscure. People's criticism of Netflix's model is that it does a disservice to the films since they don't get promoted to the public. Looking at Amazon's list, only Manchester by the Sea is well known.
Watching a movie like Dunkirk or Gravity anywhere but the cinema would be in detriment of the movie, so it's obvious why one of the directors of these movies wouldn't be a great fan of services basically undermining the existence of movie theaters.
AntraxSuicide
Banned
It does to people who wouldn't see that release in theaters. Closest theater to me that gets those releases is several hours away (and make no mistake, movies like Okja aren't full release movies). Doing this would just force me to wait 6 months for a movie for arbitrary reasons.
The Illiterati
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I'm going to watch Dunkirk for the first time on my flip phone.
Mushroomer25
Member
I'm going to watch it on my Apple watch while I'm on a bus.
Discotheque
Banned
And he's right about the Netflix model of distribution. I'm disappointed that the irishman is gonna be a Netflix release even tho I'm happy they financed the project
Ideally Netflix movies get like a one month limited release in theaters before they hit the platform imo. Would have been cool to have seen okja in cinema
Ideally Netflix movies get like a one month limited release in theaters before they hit the platform imo. Would have been cool to have seen okja in cinema
I agree. I can only stand flix brewhouse and Alamo drafthouse. Spares me most teens, craft beer, better seating, and no propaganda level dumbfuck ads about coke and popcorn.
The Illiterati
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I'm going to watch it by making a flipbook out of GameBoy Camera photos sitting next to David Lynch on a subway.