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Civilization 6 announced, out October 21st
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timetokill
Banned
I fucking lost it at the blurred out breasts on La Liberte in the trailer
What a joke
What a joke
Omega Kirby
Member
and CIV 5 before that, These games tend to release pretty bad and improve alot over expansions
Psychoward
Banned
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Wow, so excited for this. And I'm glad that they aren't cutting major features this time.
John Kowalski
Banned
Lmao, i just saw this on the Steam storefront, felt like i had been teleported to the future for a second there.
Netherscourge
Banned
here's a compressed screen of my latest session on high
definitely looks better imo
Making Civilization Great Again.
You clearly havent played much of the older Civ-games if you thought it was all about stacking as many units to win before. There are alot of problems with the 1upt-system, but I can add some of them:
1. Civilization is an empire-building game, not a tactical game. I think this is important on a general level, the series was always about building your empire, getting much production and so on, and I think its the skill in this part of the game that should be the most important - as it was in all 4 prior civ-games. This also means of course, that bigger is better and will beat smaller armies, most of the time. Just as in any other strategy-game like Starcraft etc. The 1upt-system had to drastically cripple the amount of units you could build to work, and as a consequence made the whole empire-part of the game dumbed down, easy and ultimately less interesting than in previous games.
2. The maps are not built for 1upt, and that always creates "bottlenecks" that forces you to heavily micromanage unit movement - something which was way less busywork in earlier games.
3. The AI can not keep up. At all. Im sure it feels good to outsmart the stupid AI, but from a gameplay-perspective, this is the single biggest flaw of civ5.
4. All the subsystems had to be designed to accomodate for 1upt. When combat featured fewer units, production was slowed down, meaning the game became more boring, so Firaxis had to develop other stuff to do. What they came up with was a lot of "random bonus if you do x", which took even more away from the strategical nature of the series. In Civ4 in particular there were a lot of interesting decisions to be made that also played a huge role in what empire you forged. In civ5, what kind of city state you bordered was often more important than the choices you made yourself.
My last point goes back to what i said first. Civ4 in particular was not AT ALL about only stacking, even though production superiority was more important than tactical superiority (since even the AI understood how to play the game at a basic level). First, there was the rock/paper/scissor-design of the units, meaning you always had to balance your armies. Second, there were siege weapons that could be sacrificed to reduce the hp of all units on a tile, thirdly, there were the possibility of going around your enemies to take out vital resources, citites or just kill workers (which the AI used to great effect). This fourthly, meant that you most of the time had to spread out your army to defend your border, which in itself is completely different than the cliche of "stacks of doom". I could go on about this. But the point is that combat is way deeper in civ4 than in civ5.
And I therefore hope they go back to the deeper, and more strategic experience of Civ4 and of course develop that further.
Edit: But why take it from me, even the game's lead designer Jon Shafer thought the 1upt in the end did more harm than good.
Orthogonal
Member
Lol, they should be embarrassed about that. It seems almost antithetical to the spirit of the franchise for them to censor it.
out of nowhere. I never played 5
I played 3 a lot. Bought 4, didn't play much. Bought 5, played maybe 2 hours.
Will probably get this, if it will run on my rapidly becoming low end PC.
Look closer. It's making Civilization Greatist again.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Artstyle they used is kinda flimsy for me, but will keep an eye.
but Civ 5 vanilla ran really well and I've played it on several different PCs.
Civ 5 in general runs much better than it can be expected of such a game, and turning off fog, should make it run pretty much on everything, how well it runs.
NobleXenon
Member
I hope this game comes with a Map Editor / Scenario Creator like Civ V did. The lack of one in Beyond Earth is the reason why I almost never played that game.
Real_Madrid
Member
Civilization V is probably my most played game ever, it's so good, so I'm pretty hyped for this.
I don't like the art style, but who knows, maybe it makes sense when playing the game. I also hope they learned from Beyond Earth that people expect a full experience from day one and not after a few (expensive) expansions.
I don't like the art style, but who knows, maybe it makes sense when playing the game. I also hope they learned from Beyond Earth that people expect a full experience from day one and not after a few (expensive) expansions.
Zeyphersan
Banned
Hopefully no stackable units.... Yeah? Like millions on one tile?
Angry Fork
Member
Why does it look so cartoony compared to Civ V? =/
but that was kinda nice approach and made for different strategies of battles than before. I don't mind it either way.
I'm guessing to appeal to modern strategy game players, which the vast majority reside on iOS and Android.
*citation needed*
I hope ... it's not the reason behind that artstyle, which doesn't really suit Civ all that much, but maybe we'll get used to it if a game turns out to be good.
ReDelicious
Member
*Wake up and read notification about Civ5 announcement*
"AWW YEAAH DAY ONE BABY!"
*See screenshots*
"First Steam sale maybe."
"AWW YEAAH DAY ONE BABY!"
*See screenshots*
"First Steam sale maybe."
Orthogonal
Member
Lots of comments on the new art direction here and everywhere else on the net. Wonder if Firaxis will address it since it seems like a widespread concern.
Gameplay is ultimately what matters, but the aesthetic can certainly impact the overall enjoyment.
Gameplay is ultimately what matters, but the aesthetic can certainly impact the overall enjoyment.
potatohead
Member
Next up should be Trump Savannah
Will be the first Firaxis game in a long time I don't pre-order.
Firstly, the art is dreadful. Sorry but whoever thought releasing those screenshots was a good idea needs firing. It looks like something I play on my IPad for 5 minutes. I want my civ maps to show the grand sprawl of my empire across history - not look like a free to play game that's going to ask me to buy gems to speed up construction. I'm not someone who gets held up by graphics (playing Stellaris arm, replayed might and magic 3 a few months ago!) - it's the actual style and design of the graphics that is so bad.
Secondly, and more importantly - Beyond Earth was terrible. A horrible, empty shell of a game that didn't know what it was trying to do and failing at that. It was fundamentally flawed in lots of ways that should have been spotted on day 1 of testing, and Firaxis utterly failed to even try and fix those issues. Instead we got a shitty expansion no-one asked for - which still doesn't make the game actually playable or fun.
Firaxis, like Stardock, don't deserve my money upfront anymore.
Firstly, the art is dreadful. Sorry but whoever thought releasing those screenshots was a good idea needs firing. It looks like something I play on my IPad for 5 minutes. I want my civ maps to show the grand sprawl of my empire across history - not look like a free to play game that's going to ask me to buy gems to speed up construction. I'm not someone who gets held up by graphics (playing Stellaris arm, replayed might and magic 3 a few months ago!) - it's the actual style and design of the graphics that is so bad.
Secondly, and more importantly - Beyond Earth was terrible. A horrible, empty shell of a game that didn't know what it was trying to do and failing at that. It was fundamentally flawed in lots of ways that should have been spotted on day 1 of testing, and Firaxis utterly failed to even try and fix those issues. Instead we got a shitty expansion no-one asked for - which still doesn't make the game actually playable or fun.
Firaxis, like Stardock, don't deserve my money upfront anymore.
Well it is a Sid Meier game so i ll eventually get it, though i have avoided BE due to bad reviews. However if this is the art they are using, it is terrible.
I see no problem handling stacked units the way Endless legend game did, but if they copy it's city expansion that would be awful because it made no sense.
I really liked Civ 5 and steam says i was with it for 876 hours but i went back to Civ 4 with the superb Realism Invictus mod. Civ 5 never had a mod like this but i hope Civ 6 will.
I see no problem handling stacked units the way Endless legend game did, but if they copy it's city expansion that would be awful because it made no sense.
I really liked Civ 5 and steam says i was with it for 876 hours but i went back to Civ 4 with the superb Realism Invictus mod. Civ 5 never had a mod like this but i hope Civ 6 will.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
Really not feeling the art style. Looks more like Civ Rev or whatever other iOS freemium crap.
Seems like a poor decision to go that route.
It's still Civ though, so tentatively interested anyway? Though I'm sure I could still milk plenty of hours out of Civ V, let alone Endless Legend and Stellaris.
Seems like a poor decision to go that route.
It's still Civ though, so tentatively interested anyway? Though I'm sure I could still milk plenty of hours out of Civ V, let alone Endless Legend and Stellaris.
Turns change took way to long, it was like 1 or 2 minutes in late game. they improved it with patches later but the solution only came with brute force when i got a high end processor.
here's a compressed screen of my latest session on high
definitely looks better imo
Nice wall.
vpance
Member
Nice summary. Basically 1upt won't truly work out until the average PC is many times faster so the game can actually accommodate sufficiently large maps and amount of units, with a smarter AI. But I doubt it's going away anytime soon since most gamers will find it more appealing on the surface.
While 1upt is more aesthetically and thematically pleasing, SoD is more like an abstract, concentrated representation of your civ's military power which is actually easier to manage.
I don't mind the art, reminds me of TF2. I was sure the next Civ would be f2p. It fits the model so well. Weekly free Civ rotation, Civ and Map DLC available for GOLD and real money, daily challenges to earn the GOLD. Oh well, I hope VI catches on fast with the Lets Players. I like having them up on the other screen while I play.
