Yes. Absolutely. Is this even really in question? Did the kid deserve to get shot? Of course not. But is the officer justified in shooting somebody who is pulling what looks to be a real gun on him? Of course. This isn't even one of those really messed up situations where it turns out it was a wallet or phone or something - those you can definitely see a side to saying the cop wasn't justified. Not in this case though.
So why do cops even have tasers or pepper spray? It's unfortunate that this happened and this gun looks extremely real, but aren't their precautions in place? Especially when the victim is obviously not even an adult.
Twelve year olds gonna twelve year old, I can't really blame the kid. Guns are "cool". Who the fuck sells "toys" like this? Jesus Christ.
You can not have it both ways though so by saying the cop was justified in shooting the kid you are basically saying the kid deserved to get shot.
"Toys" resembling real firearms should be illegal, and stuff like this is going to keep happening until they are.
Yeah. It's a super shitty and horrible situation but the cop said to put his hands up and instead the kid reached for a gun. A fake gun but the cops couldn't tell at that distance.
Should have put his hands up and explained it wasn't real, let the cops go over and check it. Even if he was pulling it out to put it down or show them it was fake when a cop points a gun at you and tells you to do something most often you should probably just do it, it should be common knowledge how trigger happy cops are by now. Best not to make sudden movements or go for anything that could be seen as a weapon when they have theirs on you.
You can not have it both ways though so by saying the cop was justified in shooting the kid you are basically saying the kid deserved to get shot.
Well in this incident it was not a gun so are you telling me he was justified in shooting the kid? I never said they should wait for the gun to be pointed at them . I am saying they could have handled the situation better hindsight is 20/20 though so. Just makes them look worse especially with the justice department investigating their department for this type of situation.
Those words do not mean the things you think they mean, sorry.
You can not have it both ways though so by saying the cop was justified in shooting the kid you are basically saying the kid deserved to get shot.
Its easy for an adult to say that. 12 year olds are fucking stupid. They make mistakes almost constantly, thats what growing up is all about.
This cop made the kid pay for a mistake with his life, for what? Did the cop really feel threatened by the kid? If he was, he shouldn't be a cop. Whatever the thoughts running through his head, he snapped too quickly to what should be a last resort, especially with little kids who in all likelihood mean no ill will and are just confused or ignorant.
This cowardly shoot first, preemptive strike attitude is why Americans (cops included) shouldn't have guns.
definition of of deserve- do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment). Y
I am sorry but, you saying it was ok for the cop to shoot the kid in this situation because he thought the gun was real leads to the consequence of the kid getting shot which it turn means you are saying he deserved it.
Its easy for an adult to say that. 12 year olds are fucking stupid. They make mistakes almost constantly, thats what growing up is all about.
This cop made the kid pay for a mistake with his life, for what? Did the cop really feel threatened by the kid? If he was, he shouldn't be a cop. Whatever the thoughts running through his head, he snapped too quickly to what should be a last resort, especially with little kids who in all likelihood mean no ill will and are just confused or ignorant.
This cowardly shoot first, preemptive strike attitude is why Americans (cops included) shouldn't have guns.
So tell me, how should the cop have handled the situation? There is a weapon pointing at you from a Young kid, you cant see any markings saying it is a "fake" gun.
There is a weapon pointing at you from a Young kid
Tomba said the child did not threaten the officer verbally or physically.
Was it?
Its easy for an adult to say that. 12 year olds are fucking stupid. They make mistakes almost constantly, thats what growing up is all about.
This cop made the kid pay for a mistake with his life, for what? Did the cop really feel threatened by the kid? If he was, he shouldn't be a cop.
Whatever the thoughts running through his head, he snapped too quickly to what should be a last resort, especially with little kids who in all likelihood mean no ill will and are just confused or ignorant.
is it this common in america that 12 <-- year old kids are carrying real guns around?
i mean wtf
If you wait until a gun is literally pointed at you, then someone could already have shot you. "Waiting until aimed at" doesn't even make sense. It doesn't take an hour (hell, not even a second) to pull a trigger. This isn't the movies where someone aims, gives a huge speech, and then decides not to pull the trigger; if you get aimed at, you could be dead before you realize it.Was it?
If you wait until a gun is literally pointed at you, then someone could already have shot you. "Waiting until aimed at" doesn't even make sense.
This is one of the few times where I don't remotely blame the cops. That shit can look real as hell from a distance.
Maybe they shouldn't sell fake guns that look like real guns.
That thing should have an orange tip or something.
Dont blame the cop at all. From the photo it looks like a real gun. That thing should be illegal.
It apparently used to have an orange tip.
What was he supposed to do? He was warned that there was a boy with what looked like a gun and when he arrived he saw a boy with what looked like a gun.That was an idiotic move by the kid, but I can't help wonder why the cop has to approach him at gunpoint in the first place, creating a situation where he might have to shoot him.
there's a business idea: real guns with orange tips.
Well in this incident it was not a gun so are you telling me he was justified in shooting the kid? I never said they should wait for the gun to be pointed at them . I am saying they could have handled the situation better hindsight is 20/20 though so. Just makes them look worse especially with the justice department investigating their department for this type of situation.
Well in this incident it was not a gun so are you telling me he was justified in shooting the kid? I never said they should wait for the gun to be pointed at them . I am saying they could have handled the situation better hindsight is 20/20 though so. Just makes them look worse especially with the justice department investigating their department for this type of situation.
Id love to hear how it should have been handled under the same senario.
I wonder how you'd handle a situation like this which requires quick judgment, it's easy to talk about it with all the details out there and a lot of time to think about it.Well in this incident it was not a gun so are you telling me he was justified in shooting the kid? I never said they should wait for the gun to be pointed at them . I am saying they could have handled the situation better hindsight is 20/20 though so. Just makes them look worse especially with the justice department investigating their department for this type of situation.
The general insinuation here is that the police should have known it was a BB gun. Not sure how realistic that is. At first glance some of them can look real until you notice the details.
There really is no justification in a sane society. Officers should be able to look at all the circumstances before using lethal force. You have a 12 year old fooling around with what looks like a weapon. In Europe it is almost unfathomable that anyone would be shot in a similar situation.
should have shot the parents instead
Of course europaen police has guns too. This particular case could happen here too. However, it's a lot more unlikely to happen imo.In real life cops don't have V.A.T.S to pause time and analyze a situation. Cops don't carry guns in Europe generally, do they? And if you wanna use this as an example of why they shouldn't then that's a different conversation entirely and I really don't want this to devolve into the same US vs Europe banter.
From the cops perspective dude was ignoring their instructions and pulling a gun. No way to know it's fake without holding it and inspecting it. Split second decision.
Officers should be able to look at all the circumstances before using lethal force. You have a 12 year old fooling around with what looks like a weapon. At that point you can retreat slightly and try to communicate from distance.
In Europe it is almost unfathomable that anyone would be shot in a similar situation. The only justification is just reacting quickly if the person goes for the gun and comes across as threatening, those are split second decisions though. Hopefully the fella pulls through.
Can you do something for me? Put your hand in your waist and time how long it takes you to pull it out, raise it and pull the imaginary trigger with your index finger?how long did that take you? Is that time retreat to behind a car or other object?
So why do cops even have tasers or pepper spray
Can you explain then why ever so often we hear these stories from the United States?