No, the Switch doesn't throttle and the FPS drops are reproducible in specific moments
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Confirmed: The Nintendo Switch is powered by an Nvidia Tegra X1
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No, the Switch doesn't throttle and the FPS drops are reproducible in specific moments
It means the percent chance of Switch getting ports of recent triple A Western games is in negatives.
So the third party support needed to sustain industry relevancy is once again in smokes. Nintendo going to have to bust their balls beckoning Japanese developers and indies to cover the gaping holes.
LordOcidax
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I think the Nvidia Shield tablet is K1..
Elfotografoalocado
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Do we know the process node? The Shield consumes way more power than Switch while gaming, maybe that is the change. It wouldn't know any different from a top die shot perspective...
The tablet uses a K1, significantly weaker than the X1 in the Switch. The X1 is about twice as powerful (irc) compared to the K1.
FutureProtagonist
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Probably because it's not ready. The 2017 NVIDIA Shield is still using the X1.
Yea they should have packed it with the latest, most powerful chip and sold it for $500 w/ 2 hour battery life.
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Deleted member 752119
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I mean I'm loving it too, but I'd love it more if it had a bit more power and could at least run Zelda at a stable 30 FPS.
I get the tradeoffs needed for being a hybrid, I just don't benefit from them as much as some as I rarely play undocked. That said, I agree that I like it a ton more than the Wii U or 3DS and will even more once the games are rolling out and it essentially has both libraries combined going forward. That's the main appeal of the concept to me--all Nintendo games in one place once the token remaining 3DS support is done.
Also are stock Tegra X1s suddenly free just because gaf is melting down about them?
ethomaz
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What Shield Tablet? Because Shield Android TV uses X1.
* SoC: Tegra X1
* * CPU: 2.0 GHz 4 ARM Cortex-A57 and 4 ARM Cortex-A53 64-bit cores
* * GPU: 1000 MHz Maxwell (core configuration: 256:16:16)
* RAM: 3 GB RAM
* Internal Storage: 16 GB SSD, or 500 GB HDD(pro version)[4]
* External Storage: micro SDXC slot
* Gigabit Ethernet
* HDMI 2.0 port
* micro USB 2.0 port
* USB 3.0 ports x2: for mouse, keyboard and external hard drives
* IR Receiver: for TV remote
* 802.11ac 2x2 MIMO 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz Wi-Fi, compatible with 802.11g/n WiFi
* Bluetooth 4.1/BLE: for headsets, other game controllers, etc.
What an embarrassing post. I am going to guess that less than .1% of anyone that purchased a Switch knows or even cares about this.
franklyshankly
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It was also released nearly 2 years ago. I think there's a reasonable argument if they released it now with the updated X1 it would sell at the same $199 price point. But that's moot since they clearly never will now.
SinCityAssassin
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At least 3 Wii U's put together at a sixth of the size at least.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I don't see Nintendo misleading anyone here.
……forgetit
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Has Nvidia even announced the X2?
Doc Holliday
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For reference, the Shield tablet with bundled controller is 300+ on amazon.
Switch XL/Pro will have you covered in 2020! I expect hardware refreshes ever 2-3 years going forward while retaining BC.
Exactly. The fact that NVidia couldn't get the X2 in their own product in 2017 should say everything that needs to be said about the matter.
Leatherface
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"But creating a device so fun required some serious engineering. The development encompassed 500 man-years of effort across every facet of creating a new gaming platform: algorithms, computer architecture, system design, system software, APIs, game engines and peripherals. They all had to be rethought and redesigned for Nintendo to deliver the best experience for gamers, whether theyre in the living room or on the move."
ArchedThunder
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It's quite a bit more powerful than the Wii U. This is as powerful of a portable gaming device as you're going to get in 2017.
Astral Dog
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I mean,there is not much they could do without significantly increasing the cost with this concept. The Switch its still impressive from Nintendo and what it is
LordOcidax
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Can wait to see images of that tablet... I am waiting.
Hahaha
I think I remember having to argue with people that the Switch could end up using a stock X1 after the Eurogamer clocks were revealed.
Oh well, maybe the only customised thing was the RAM size: going from 3GB to 4GB.
I'm not fussed, after hearing about the handheld boost mode on Eurogamer, I was satisfied that it could reach close to 200 GFLOPS in handheld mode.
I think I remember having to argue with people that the Switch could end up using a stock X1 after the Eurogamer clocks were revealed.
Oh well, maybe the only customised thing was the RAM size: going from 3GB to 4GB.
I'm not fussed, after hearing about the handheld boost mode on Eurogamer, I was satisfied that it could reach close to 200 GFLOPS in handheld mode.
Genuine question.
What could Nintendo have improved on?
CPU A73 - More efficient chip, maybe faster if clocked higher?
GPU PowerVr GT7900- Close to twice the gpu performance around the same clock speeds. If the charts are accurate.
Would any of you had paid $400 for it?
Plus that wouldn't have solved the issue with the "it's weak" crowd.
What could Nintendo have improved on?
CPU A73 - More efficient chip, maybe faster if clocked higher?
GPU PowerVr GT7900- Close to twice the gpu performance around the same clock speeds. If the charts are accurate.
Would any of you had paid $400 for it?
Plus that wouldn't have solved the issue with the "it's weak" crowd.
So Nvidia lied, not Nintendo.
I wonder if they did a similar sales pitch when they approached Nintendo.
ArchedThunder
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The product that's called the Shield Tablet, that's what...
Gotdatmoney
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Probably a bit more.
TemplaerDude
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Or, you know, they realized their console would definitely crash and burn if they had to charge another $50 - $100 for it in this marketplace.
The operating assumption right now is that Switch OS is an android fork like Fire OS on the Kindle, right?
Cynicism. Of COURSE nVidia would make shit up when haven't they?
Astral Dog
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No. Should be quite a bit more than that
LordOcidax
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ethomaz
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X2 is the commercial name for Tegra Parker.
Actual products using it:
- Nvidia Drive PX2
- Nvidia Jetson TX2
Notice the X2 at the end of both products.
Makes me really wonder what the fuck Nintendo was doing from 2014 to 2016. Looks like they did almost no R&D into the hardware other than with controllers.
BTW, I was going to make a thread with a prediction that the chip was going to be a stock X1.
Really lazy and cheap on Nintendo's part to use a stock chip set in a console. There should have been some optimizations and improvements on a 2015 chip. They had a year to have Nvidia work on that.
Someone is going to be able to eventually rip and run the switch firmware on a shield.
BTW, I was going to make a thread with a prediction that the chip was going to be a stock X1.
Really lazy and cheap on Nintendo's part to use a stock chip set in a console. There should have been some optimizations and improvements on a 2015 chip. They had a year to have Nvidia work on that.
Someone is going to be able to eventually rip and run the switch firmware on a shield.
I feel this. It's way better than I had imagined it would be and having portable BOTW Is a game changer.
LordOfChaos
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Restraining myself from post-shaming some of the more hyperbolic deniers of a mostly standard configuration 
I had set my expectations to a mostly standard TX1 ever since the 250 people working 2 years including the NVN API and OS integration news... That, as I've said many times, is nothing in the chipmaking world.
Edit: to not be useless, rotated Switch die shot, and TX1 die shot,
I had set my expectations to a mostly standard TX1 ever since the 250 people working 2 years including the NVN API and OS integration news... That, as I've said many times, is nothing in the chipmaking world.
Edit: to not be useless, rotated Switch die shot, and TX1 die shot,
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coincidentally there will likely be a Switch revision on the market by 2020 at the latest
Good to hear you are immune to the problem most people had with nintendo consoles recently (library and release calendar with gaping holes thanks to abysmal western third party support). They're in the clear now.
Pretty sure thats wrong. Its using the same base as what PS4 uses for OS.
The product that's called the Shield Tablet is nowhere near as powerful as the Switch.
Interfectum
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No, it's Linux Free BSD. Same OS PS4 runs on.
It should but this is NeoGAF. We demand to be outraged. BTW, I love my Switch.
No. FreeBSD. Not Android.
martino
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You known your quote talks list everything but hardware ? Or you half read it ?"But creating a device so fun required some serious engineering. The development encompassed 500 man-years of effort across every facet of creating a new gaming platform: algorithms, computer architecture, system design, system software, APIs, game engines and peripherals. They all had to be rethought and redesigned for Nintendo to deliver the best experience for gamers, whether theyre in the living room or on the move."
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