Deputy Moonman
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See, for me, I totally want a Switch. I have no issues with the tech and what is or isn't included; I just can't afford one right now lol. I look forward to what Nintendo produces over the next couple of years. Should be fun.
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Confirmed: The Nintendo Switch is powered by an Nvidia Tegra X1
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ethomaz
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I guessed there are only one Shield lol
NOLA_Gaffer
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The Nintendo Switch is using a Tegra X1?! What an outrage! Why Nintendo will be hear...OOO ZELDA!
No. Rumor is it's BSD, but could be something else. It's definitely not Android.
Yes. $399 for the Jetson TX2 board (includes Tegra X2 CPU/GPU, 8GB RAM, and 32 GB storage).
Dev kit board is $599 ($299 for education).
For 10 times... The Shield tablet uses Tegra K1 not X1...
The K1 has a better cpu than the Switch and a faster gpu than the Switch in undocked mode ...
Absolutely not.
LordOcidax
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Agree. And it looks like some people need to do some research on the topic before write.. Yikes..
ArchedThunder
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Where did I even imply that? Did you look at the conversation?
WhiskerFrisker
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I hope Nintendo releases an improved Switch with better internals in the near future. I'd buy another Switch.
Last year. It's the exact same A57s, with the A53s replaced with a low-power dual-core "Denver" core of Nvidia's own design. 256 Pascal core instead of 256 Maxwell core GPU. It's only marginally higher GFLOPS at equivalent TDPs, but it sure costs more.
Yeah, and i mean, a 2.5x increase with maybe 1/3 of the peak bandwidth of the Wii U is absolutely insane. Ok, color compression is better, but doing over twice as much and even having a 4.5x advantage in that situation is unbelievable for me.
I don't care about the number, but the result, and it's really hard for me to believe that 25.6GB/s is all it takes to achieve this. Or Snake Pass (a game for current gen machines which all have north of 100GB/s, although with some effects scaled down) in 1080p.
What about throttling and older architecture though.
And A15 better than A57? Lol ok
Astral Dog
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It was going to show age regardless. No way this ever going to be an Xbox ONE with that size,and you know people would have still complained its not a Pro
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
I was not a fan of the Switch concept from he start, but lets not underestimate the x1 chip
Nvidia Shield runnging Bf1 Multiplayer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqI5pHVCqG8
never mind im an idiot,,,this is just streaming
Nvidia Shield runnging Bf1 Multiplayer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqI5pHVCqG8
never mind im an idiot,,,this is just streaming
This is some sort of highly thought parody I'm not getting, right?
BasedKiliK
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Honestly, I think the Tegra X1 is more than powerful enough for Nintendo's needs, as they were already making great games for the prior platform, the Wii U. And this thing is not only more powerful, even in undocked mode, but much easier to work with from a developer's standpoint from what I've read and heard.
Going with a 720p screen was one of their best decisions IMO because of the fact that their first party lineup on the Wii U was already hitting that resolution for the majority of games, and keeping it 720p gives it more headroom in terms of actual performance. I could be entirely wrong but this is my consensus.
What I really want to know though is what this means for upgrades. I would think more powerful Switch iterations are entirely possible given the design architecture of the X1, in the same vein of how PC games are scalable on GPUs. Can anyone weigh in on this?
Going with a 720p screen was one of their best decisions IMO because of the fact that their first party lineup on the Wii U was already hitting that resolution for the majority of games, and keeping it 720p gives it more headroom in terms of actual performance. I could be entirely wrong but this is my consensus.
What I really want to know though is what this means for upgrades. I would think more powerful Switch iterations are entirely possible given the design architecture of the X1, in the same vein of how PC games are scalable on GPUs. Can anyone weigh in on this?
I quoted the wrong comment. Didn't mean that to be directed at you. My apologies.
ethomaz
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Rumor? Anybody can check in their own Switch... like PS4 when you enter to list 3rd-party software it lists Free BSD too.
That's just being streamed from the PC to the Shield using Nvidia's GameStream.
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Deleted member 752119
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To play devils advocate they could have cut costs elsewhere perhaps. The joycon motion, IR camera, HD rumble etc. are likely to go under used by most games (aside from casual stuff like 1 2 Switch) and probably drove up cost a bit. They could have just put in standard rumble and gyros and maybe upped the power a tad for the same price.
I'd have preferred that personally. But I'd have also preferred them put out another pure console, or at least cheaper separate portable and console versions of the Switch even if at same power levels since I mostly use it docked. Oh well, I'm used to paying more than I'd like for hardware I'm not super fond of to enjoy Nintendo's great game so it's par for the course for me.
Gotdatmoney
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What are you basing that on? Clock speeds by Eurogamer?
LordOcidax
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100% this.
I wouldh't say immune, but I would also say I was lying if I said I bought 12 games a year for 1 system. Who the hell has time for that? The Wii U has a great lineup of games that I never played b/c of all my gripes with the system itself. I really disliked the OS of the WII u and I disliked the cumbersome Gamepad. Those 2 things alone pretty much turned me off to the Wii U and one of my biggest factors for a new Nintendo System was the speed of its OS. Its lightning fast now and covered my biggest issue.
3DS I couldn't play games on it b/c of that horrible screen and IQ. Thats resolved now too. Those were my top 3 gripes. The games will come, I already have 4 games on my Switch and I only really have time to play 1 atm. I also don't play COD, Battlefield or Ass Creed and if I did want to play them I'd either decide on PS4 Pro or PC more than likely.
I also don't understand why you are spinning my opinion into some full validation for everyone about the system, including Nintendo?
Jonneh3003
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I mean I think we'll see a pretty large jump in visuals over Wii U, for starters the Switch supports engines like Unreal Engine 4. Either way the Switch is portable and much smaller than the Wii U so the fact it surpasses it is pretty great (sorry for the poor quality, taken on my webcam in low light)
Considering that the framedrops might be streaming related (there might also be a gpu leak according to DF) you can't really compare a racing game to an open world game. I suggest waiting for Lego City and Skyrim and see how those compare.
Sarcasm?
Well, actually now that you've quoted it... He lumped everything together (software and hardware), and the hardware is "computer architecture" not chip design. I'm pretty sure Nvidia was in charge of the mainboard design, that's likely what he was referring to. not to mention all the software stuff mentioned.
So we should have known this all along...
finalflame
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Yes, the better option is to make it slightly more powerful than their console that failed largely due to being underpowered when their competitors are coming out with upgraded, more powerful versions of their flagship consoles, leading to performance issues at 900p in their very own keystone launch title (BoTW), with no online service at launch, no ability to transfer saves, and no multimedia or web browsing functionality whatsoever, and continuing to use archaic friend codes.
Meanwhile, PS4 Pro promises 1440p-4K gaming at 30fps and smooth 1080p/60FPS on much more graphically demanding titles, launching Boost Mode to enhance non-patched games, all this whilst Microsoft is gearing up for Scorpio. Nintendo is leaning HARD on the handheld angle while reassuring the public the Switch is primarily a home console and not a successor to the 3DS, yet it's very clearly not going to be powerful enough to have proper third party support from major publishers. Even Jeff Kaplan has said getting Overwatch on the Switch would be "a challenge", and Overwatch can run on a PC with the power equivalence of a potato.
I have been watching Nintendo dig their grave since the WiiU launch -- and I was there with a WiiU ON DAY 1. I watched as, for 4 years, Nintendo continued to fumble with every next milestone that was supposed to "turn the WiiU around", but didn't. I sat around while Zelda got delayed two years only to be released simultaneously on Switch. And now I'm sitting here with a Switch watching Nintendo making the same fundamental mistake of underpowering their system and alienating developers all over again. Pretty much close to done with being an apologist for this bullshit -- there's no excuse for this in 2017 and Nintendo is being fucking myopic. Everything about the Switch screams "rushed", and if you can't see it then, well, I won't be able to see it for you.
……forgetit
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Neither seem to be consumer products, what's the wholesale price of those?
Well that answers that. It would have been too expensive to be in the switch.
LordOcidax
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Any link please?
ethomaz
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It has double memory and bandwidth too... that is the biggest difference from X2 to X1.... 128bits bus.
Mercador
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Well, you could expect a "New" Switch within 2 years with a more powerful cpu and 1080p display.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Please provide receipt.
what? Those are not shield games.
This was always the case.
A smaller node wouldn't have changed this (which was the only reasonable possibility outside of stock TX1)
ethomaz
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Nvidia Jetson TX2 is priced at $399 while the DevKit is priced at $599.
Same prices of TX1 at launch in 2015.
Nintendo hasn't actually abandoned their use of 'lateral thinking with withered technology' - news at 11.
People always set themselves up for disappointment when it comes to Nintendo hardware. Honest to god, how many years has it been since a Nintendo console traded blows, from a pure tech/performance perspective with its contemporary rivals? 15+ -years-???
Yeah it's about time people stop acting surprised/disappointed/angry/sad/whatever.
People always set themselves up for disappointment when it comes to Nintendo hardware. Honest to god, how many years has it been since a Nintendo console traded blows, from a pure tech/performance perspective with its contemporary rivals? 15+ -years-???
Yeah it's about time people stop acting surprised/disappointed/angry/sad/whatever.
Ah yeah, forgot to mention that.
This isn't withered technology...
First of all, big thanks to chipworks if anyone from there is reading this. Didn't know you guys are doing this for free and don't get any ad revenue from your publications.
Secondly, I am so happy that we finally know the specs and that the SoC is pretty much just a stock X1, no more silly fanboy dreams of secret sauce.
Lastly, what a load of bullshit from Nvidia and Nintendo talking about the customized Tegra chip which took 500 men years etc.
Secondly, I am so happy that we finally know the specs and that the SoC is pretty much just a stock X1, no more silly fanboy dreams of secret sauce.
Lastly, what a load of bullshit from Nvidia and Nintendo talking about the customized Tegra chip which took 500 men years etc.
LucidMomentum
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The naked dock is only $59.
Yeah, i was interested on the Switch's specs before the release but now that i have it in my hands i came to the same conclusion, i think the Switch is such phenomenal piece of hardware. I like what i've played and i like what i saw from future releases. I couldn't be happier.
franklyshankly
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Nvidia GameStreaming to a Switch would be a pretty awesome added feature actually. Guess Nintendo would never go for that though.
Skittzo0413
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Restraining myself from post-shaming some of the more hyperbolic deniers of a mostly standard configuration
I had set my expectations to a mostly standard TX1 ever since the 250 people working 2 years including the NVN API and OS integration news... That, as I've said many times, is nothing in the chipmaking world.
Edit: to not be useless, TX1 die shot
A) Thanks for the TX1 die shot, that looks extremely similar if not identical (though flipped 180 degrees)
B) The man years thing was always a bit of a marketing shenanigan, but Nvidia did explicitly say that this was using a custom Tegra chip. I guess we'd need to go into deep analysis here to be sure but on the face of it there's nothing custom about the chip itself.
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