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Could Final Fantasy remake 7 greatly suffer from episodic release?
- Thread starter fireflame
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Biggest issue I'm seeing is if there's a generational jump during the releases and the issues of keeping data between them. Personally, if it doesn't turn out to be a complete mess, I'm waiting for the full release when I'm riddled with arthritis and having a robot butler do the heavy lifting. Until then, I'm just fascinated by what Square have undertaken.
A once full game now divided up is considered a trilogy not an episodic game? What am I reading? Do the people citing the discs remembers how much content was on each disc comparative to one another? I know Square has released some games without proper endings recently, but it's a lot harder to swallow when everyone knows what the ending is and the beats along the way. Each episode might be 60 hours long, but that doesn't hide that there is an ending; more likely make the extra stuff feel like unnecessary padding.
I'll point out that I don't have a problem with releasing it in parts as I get taking something the size and scope of VII into 202X as a single title would be a money pit, but let's not try and make it anything more than that.
A once full game now divided up is considered a trilogy not an episodic game? What am I reading? Do the people citing the discs remembers how much content was on each disc comparative to one another? I know Square has released some games without proper endings recently, but it's a lot harder to swallow when everyone knows what the ending is and the beats along the way. Each episode might be 60 hours long, but that doesn't hide that there is an ending; more likely make the extra stuff feel like unnecessary padding.
I'll point out that I don't have a problem with releasing it in parts as I get taking something the size and scope of VII into 202X as a single title would be a money pit, but let's not try and make it anything more than that.
No more design by community/committee please. I hope they make some tough, artistic calls themselves and only really take feedback on the combat and game balance.
People skip to sequels to some extent all the time, but not in significant amounts or at least for things with such a strong narrative focus.
They'll market each one as being a fine starting point anyway though. I guess we'll see.
People skip to sequels to some extent all the time, but not in significant amounts or at least for things with such a strong narrative focus.
They'll market each one as being a fine starting point anyway though. I guess we'll see.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
The thing is that in some ways the episodic nature of the game will feel bigger than ever before, and in some ways it will feel smaller.
They are no doubt going to polish every major story sequence, and make sure every dungeon and town is larger and meatier enough to satisfy modern gaming standards. In that sense it will be "more" than the original.
But of course it being multiple episodes means that it won't have the whole story or gameplay in a single release, and that's going to make it feel smaller. And no I don't think playing them all back to back will really add up to the experience of one big game.
The way I see it, this is not the original game. It's a new series of games based off of a classic game scenario. We'll have to judge it on its own merits because it will not be the original at all.
They are no doubt going to polish every major story sequence, and make sure every dungeon and town is larger and meatier enough to satisfy modern gaming standards. In that sense it will be "more" than the original.
But of course it being multiple episodes means that it won't have the whole story or gameplay in a single release, and that's going to make it feel smaller. And no I don't think playing them all back to back will really add up to the experience of one big game.
The way I see it, this is not the original game. It's a new series of games based off of a classic game scenario. We'll have to judge it on its own merits because it will not be the original at all.
TheGreatDirector
Banned
It depends on how much resources and money are put into the successive sequels, how many sequels there are, and how well the first part is critically received.
The first episode is no doubt going to sell incredibly well. It's probably where they'll put most their effort in polish and production. There's a good chance it could rival and surpass FFXV in sales numbers.
The next few episodes depend on more factors. Will they market them as full fledged games ala sequels or will they keep the whole episode moniker? Will the spend as much resources in them as the first part and if so will it take as much time? Less people are probably less likely to buy the future parts if it takes a long time for them to come out. A quicker turnaround will probably encourage more sales. However, all this is dependent on the first episode being warmly received. If it isn't, there could be a drastic decrease in sales numbers.
The first episode is no doubt going to sell incredibly well. It's probably where they'll put most their effort in polish and production. There's a good chance it could rival and surpass FFXV in sales numbers.
The next few episodes depend on more factors. Will they market them as full fledged games ala sequels or will they keep the whole episode moniker? Will the spend as much resources in them as the first part and if so will it take as much time? Less people are probably less likely to buy the future parts if it takes a long time for them to come out. A quicker turnaround will probably encourage more sales. However, all this is dependent on the first episode being warmly received. If it isn't, there could be a drastic decrease in sales numbers.
I agree with this as gameplay changes are to be expected and also it will come to entirely new console lol.
Sony is not going to repeat the mistake of the PS3 - the PS5 will likely be of similar architecture to the PS4, and FF7R will be a cross-generational game
YankeeDonB
Member
I have trouble fully getting into Trails, and its episodic nature is a big part of it. Sure, each game is packed with content, but there's a clear arc that is broken with long delays which takes me out of things. This may just be a personal thing, but I associate JRPGs, and certainly FF, with a whole world (or at least one part of a world with a fully self contained narrative) that you can dip into and explore as part of one big unbroken experience.
But sure, if each episode has internal narrative cohesion, which Trails does a pretty good job of (well, TiTs anyway, Cold Steel 2 really jumped the shark I felt), 7R could still be great. Of course, this is what XV lacked and is slowly being patched in, and that was one self contained title, so I'm increasingly leary of SE on this front.
I know, not second guessing the decision in face of the impractical alternative. But 7 was an experience for me of the sort I cannot imagine being spread over 6 years with long breaks.
Green Ninja
Banned
Yes absolutely. It's incredibly dumb to do it episodically.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
why?
semiconscious
Member
the more i think about this project, the more i appreciate just how doomed it is 
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squeenix's best best? ditch the realistic graphics for something simpler/stylized, & just focus on the gameplay (or, better yet, just leave it as it was?). under these conditions, ffvii remake might actually see the light of day ...
...squeenix's best best? ditch the realistic graphics for something simpler/stylized, & just focus on the gameplay (or, better yet, just leave it as it was?). under these conditions, ffvii remake might actually see the light of day
...NoctisVsStar
Member
You want a game for the old fanbase that grew up with this.the more i think about this project, the more i appreciate just how doomed it is
squeenix's best best? ditch the realistic graphics for something simpler/stylized, & just focus on the gameplay (or, better yet, just leave it as it was?). under these conditions, ffvii remake might actually see the light of day
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
We have very very little information still on how it's being handled. All we know is that they said it'll be full games akin to the XIII series.
My hope is that it'll be 3 games max (preferably 2) with the next installment being in development alongside the previous to speed up the gap between release.
My hope is that it'll be 3 games max (preferably 2) with the next installment being in development alongside the previous to speed up the gap between release.
crimzonflame
Member
After the release of the 1st episode, I think most fans will realize that they dont really like FF7 as much as they thought they did. I doubt SE finishes remaking the whole the game due to low sales and loss of interest after maybe the 2nd episode.
semiconscious
Member
KZXcellent
Member
the more i think about this project, the more i appreciate just how doomed it is
squeenix's best best? ditch the realistic graphics for something simpler/stylized, & just focus on the gameplay (or, better yet, just leave it as it was?). under these conditions, ffvii remake might actually see the light of day
I don't see how you can appreciate a project being "doomed". Seems extremely petty.
You will probably be changing your mind.
paragonpro
Banned
Likely bet is it will be 3 titles, pt 1: midgar launching cross generational on ps4 and ps5, with pt 2: the life force and pt 3: sepiroth or whatever they decide to call it launching exclusively on ps 5 with xbox 2 and pc ports later down the line in a collection. 7 easily splits into 3 games, i think they will eschue an open world gaia in favor of linear progression across multiple open areas
vincenth69
Member
As long as we don't know what they call episodic, nobody can really say.
ScherzoPrime
Member
Aarglefarg
Member
The third disc is basically just the final dungeon though.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
Episodes are guaranteed to mess it up.
It's a greed play that will degrade the quality of the final product.
This is especially true as the later episodes will likely be after the next console release.
It's a greed play that will degrade the quality of the final product.
This is especially true as the later episodes will likely be after the next console release.
Green Mamba
Member
It could definitely hinder the VII Remake series.
The game was one concurrent story with multiple threads. What are they going to do to get people to not be upset when the first game ends while there's still a decent amount of story to tell? It's going to be a huge challenge for them to overcome this. It's their bed and they have to lie in it.
However, I'm really excited regardless. I desperately want this game to be one to remember forever. I want VII to be in the realm of greatness once again.
The game was one concurrent story with multiple threads. What are they going to do to get people to not be upset when the first game ends while there's still a decent amount of story to tell? It's going to be a huge challenge for them to overcome this. It's their bed and they have to lie in it.
However, I'm really excited regardless. I desperately want this game to be one to remember forever. I want VII to be in the realm of greatness once again.
DangerMouse
Member
This. Depending upon how they split it up maybe the pacing could suffer but at the same time it's also possible that pacing will be improved since each installment will need to end at a proper climax point.
We already know the overall story and I don't mind the idea of additions to it to further flesh it out and fill out the multiple games where needed.
Seeing that PSX gameplay trailer and how good the game looks I think their vision is exactly what I've been waiting for since the old PS3 FF7 concept teaser. The PSX trailer looked like it's following through on "this is what FF7 looked like in my imagination and how it would have looked had it been possible at the time".
The visual style and presentation of the combat was so well realized in that PSX trailer that it was really impressive, if that's representative of what the game really looks and performs like when it's finally ready of course.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
While it is not episodic like TT games or Hitman, i still worried about spliting it into 3 games. A lot of filler content will be there. It reminds me when Peter Jackson decided to split The Hobbit into 3 movies, and what we got is some of the most boring fantasy movies ever.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
It's not episodic, and the only thing i'm really worried about is how long its going to take to wrap this thing up. If the first game releases in 2019, and the other games take 4 years to make, it wont be done until 2027.
I'm hoping they will have another development team working on the sequels at the same time, using the same combat system, UI, same area's, just doing different scenarios.
I'm hoping they will have another development team working on the sequels at the same time, using the same combat system, UI, same area's, just doing different scenarios.
SolidChamp
Banned
I seriously do not understand the logic or reasoning behind this episodic bullshit. Why couldn't they have just done a straight-up remake?
I'm calling it now, this won't even be a true-to-the-source-material remake. Structurally it will be a lot different than the original. That's my guess.
I expect part 1 to be good.Other parts to be uneven or stuck in dev hell.
There`s no way part 3 will continue to be made by the same team(if we actually get to that)
But when I was done with Disc 1 I wasn't forced to wait (potentially) years before I was allowed to pop in Disc 2. So not quite an apt comparison.
Hopefully they don't release anything until they're confident they can release the following episodes in a timely manner. I'd be fine with a year in between entries like some of the big multi-part movie series.
shira
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Pinko Marx
Banned
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